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Sometimes, I just can’t read some post because of negativity towards the Church.
Sometimes people let their emotions them too much. The great spiritual masters of the Christian faith, Catholic and non Catholic, teach us that the first objective of any Christian is to save his soul. God wants to save us now for eternity.

The practice of the virtues is essential to salvation. Saints deliberately avoided getting into situations that would lead them to sin against any of the virtues. The greatest of all virtues is charity. If one finds that dealing with certain information will trigger an uncharitable reaction, then one has a moral duty to avoid it. None of us are the Messiah. None of us can save the world. We have a duty to begin by saving ourselves. From there we branch out. Saints understand this. Their journey begins with their quest to find God. Sometimes that quest takes them into the lives of others.

There are many holy men and women who could not deal with the baggage of society without violating charity. Therefore, they chose to put distance between them and society and left that for someone else to do, someone who could walk amongst men without violating charity, losing their inner composure, sleep or their inner silence.

Two of the greatest spiritual psychologists of our time are William James and Benedict Groeschel. Both point out that saints lived with problems, but without worries. The reason is that saints are very prudent people. They know what they can handle without losing their composure.

Saints also exercise tempererance. But temperance is also tempering our reactions. We see this spelled out very clearly by St. Francis in his directives to the superiors. He tells them that when they deal with a sinful brother, they must receive the brother with great joy, kindness, humility, gentleness, affection and a strong sense of brotherhood. They should never look down at the sinner, nor should they ever abandon the brother in sin. On the contrary, they must get closer to that brother. If they cannot handle this, then they are not to accept the office of superior. Because only he who can serve can correct.

Today we have lost the first part of this advice, the call to serve. We all wan to correct. We want to correct the bishops, priests, religious, laity, government, our relatives, and so forth. But we don’t always want to serve them. We don’t always want to see the good in them, which is where service begins. We don’t always want to be humble before them and admit that we are capable of the same sins and even greater ones were it not for the grace of God. It is difficult to be a servant, when one can’t imagine oneself being a serious sinner.

But this was the charm of St. Francis and St. Clare of Assisi. Together they changed the life of the Church forever and they have converted millions of men and women over a span of 800 years. They have never lost their attractiveness. What makes them so is their charity, temperance, sense of humor, clarity about their own sinfulness, and their prudence in choosing their battles. It’s interesting to note that together they changed the Church of their time without ever taking on the bishops, clergy or religious. You will find nothing in their writings that condemns the sins of the Church. Everything that they wrote about the Church, bishops, priests and laity is very positive. When they presented themselves with such a positve regard, they moved hearts and saved souls. The greatest example of this were Popes Innocent III, Honorius and Gregory IX. The three wee very moved by Francis and Clare. These were very tough men. Some historians have said that they were bull-headed and even worldly. Yet, they were converted by these two people.

There is a wonderful story that actually did happen. I think that I may have shared it. When Gregory IX went to Assisi to canonize Francis he told Clare that he wanted to do something for her. She asked what that might be. He told her that he wanted to mitigate the rule of poverty. Clare turned to him and said, “I would prefer to be absolved from my sins, than from my duty to follow the Gospel.” But she said it in such a charming way, that Gregory broke out in laughter and said, “Touche Mother.”

He still mitigated the rule of poverty, which made Clare very unhappy. Clare wrote him many letters until he died. It was later that Nicholas would grant her the privilege of poverty, just two days before her death. Yet, even though the pope was wrong, Clare never said so. She simply wrote him letters begging for the privilege to live poverty. After almost 40 years, she got her wish and died in peace. The moral of the story is that you don’t get angry because popes and bishops do something wrong. You pray and you ask, over and over again. In the meantime, you live with the card that has been dealt to you.

Not everyone should be in involved in these discussions; because not everyone has the grace to handle them in a saintly manner. That’s why some men and women choose the heremetical life, a life away from the issues of the world, even if they still live in the middle of secular society. One does not have to enter a monastery to live as a hermit or a monk. There are may things that one can do and remain in the secular world. But we have to be honest with ourselves and God. If certain topics and discussions provoke an uncharitable reaction from me takes away my inner silence and inner peace, it’s not my place to be there. I can contribute through prayer and penance.

This is what monk, cloistered nuns, and hermits teach us. But lay people don’t want to take lessons from these folks. It’s unfortunate, because God gives them to the Church so that they can be our teachers and our models of perfect charity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Brother JR, for my part the last thing I wish to do is continue with a discussion that you feel to be unproductive. I’ll just leave a few final thoughts, perhaps for others who are reading this thread.

As far as I can see, we have different views of the meaning and connontations of the word ‘confrontation’ and ‘confrontational’ - and perhaps even ‘fear’ and ‘terror’. I won’t bore you with citing dictionary definitions, but I don’t think my understanding of the word confrontational at least is an invalid one. And I don’t think we disagree particularly on what actually occurred, so much as on what semantic or linguistic labels can rightly be put on it.

Then again, I don’t think confrontation as I perceive it is something that is automatically to be avoided by monks, saints or anyone else. As I’ve said, I see Christ’s driving the money changers out of the Temple as an example of confrontation, not to mention his command to us to rebuke our brothers when they sin, so I could hardly say it is to be avoided!
 
Brother JR, for my part the last thing I wish to do is continue with a discussion that you feel to be unproductive. I’ll just leave a few final thoughts, perhaps for others who are reading this thread.

As far as I can see, we have different views of the meaning and connontations of the word ‘confrontation’ and ‘confrontational’ - and perhaps even ‘fear’ and ‘terror’. I won’t bore you with citing dictionary definitions, but I don’t think my understanding of the word confrontational at least is an invalid one. And I don’t think we disagree particularly on what actually occurred, so much as on what semantic or linguistic labels can rightly be put on it.

Then again, I don’t think confrontation as I perceive it is something that is automatically to be avoided by monks, saints or anyone else. As I’ve said, I see Christ’s driving the money changers out of the Temple as an example of confrontation, not to mention his command to us to rebuke our brothers when they sin, so I could hardly say it is to be avoided!
Thank you for your response. Try to get your hand on some of those works that I suggested. The rule of St. Francis you can find online. They will really help you understand where mystical theology wants to lead you.

Fraternally

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
If certain topics and discussions provoke an uncharitable reaction from me takes away my inner silence and inner peace, it’s not my place to be there. I can contribute through prayer and penance.

This is what monk, cloistered nuns, and hermits teach us. But lay people don’t want to take lessons from these folks. It’s unfortunate, because God gives them to the Church so that they can be our teachers and our models of perfect charity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I must admit that I too was affected by some topics and discussions. Thank you very much for this thread.

In Christ,
albertziggy:rolleyes:
 
Dear Br Jr,

Just read throught the postes on this thread and will have to say you have brought back many memories from when I was younger.

I have very vivid memories of my father, spit coming from the mouth, neck veins bulging, yelling/screaming his point of view to others so that they would be enlightened by truth as he understood it. I watched as it unfortunately drove a lot of people away even though he did have a lot of good to say. He used to say the anger was justified by using the same quote I hear a lot of people use about the money changers in the temple and how it was a righteous anger. This never settled right with me. I did not have an understanding of it at the time to try and explain it to him so I kept quiet and just prayed about it.

What I am beginning to understand, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that when we live our life in God’s Love with humility, charity, and compassion we really have no need to start justifying ourselves to anyone. I do not know that I could use the example of how Jesus Christ handled the hagglers in His Temple to justify my reasons for doing things without love, humility compassion and charity, but I do know that I never want to be one of those hagglers. They, from what I remember, were the ones that used His house for their own desires and egos. This is why I have a real fear of taking God’s Word and using it to have the last word in an argument.
When ever I tried to justify my reasons by using God’s Word to try to tell someone they are wrong and I am right about some Truth that I may have understood. I would literally get sick to my stomach. And so I kept quite and prayed about it for the longest time.

It took someone explaining to me that it is an act of love to bear witness to Truth when it is done with humility, charity, and compassion before I could even attempt to try talking about anything that I believe to be Truth. I believe we should be witnesses to God’s Unconditional Love and His Truths out of our Love of that Truth by emulating that same Love that we are shown from Love It’s Self.

I humbly hope and pray this make sense,

Please add any further insight to this so that I can understand it more clearly,

Always praying and pondering,
 
Simple Soul has spoken some very good spiritual truths. I would like to clarify something on the turning of the tables of the money changers and other times when Jesus was angry. Anger is a very human emotion and it can be justified. When so, we call it righteous indignation. What we see here is the full humanity of Christ. We see him angry at Satan in the desert. We see him angry with Peter and some of the Jewish leaders and teachers of his time. But we’re missing the reason why these stories are being told. That’s more important. Instead, we use them to justify our own aggression, hostility and lack of temperance.

The Gospel writers wanted to communicate what had been revealed to them by Christ and about Christ, the hypostatic union. They want their readers to see that Jesus of Nazareth is truly God and truly Man, with an upper case M. Observe in the temple that Jesus refers to “My Father’s house.” This was not a common Jewish expression. In fact, it was forbidden, because it implied that the person was one with God. It was heresy. The writers want us to see that Jesus and the Father are one and therefore, he has the authority to defend his house. We are invited to meditate on the unity between humanity and divinity in the person of Jesus Christ, when we read this passage, not to use it to justify our own behaviors toward sinners. That was not the point. We cannot claim to be one with the Father, because we are not the Homoousios (The God-Man).

In the desert, Jesus tell Satan, “You shall not tempt the Lord your God.” When correcting Peter he says, “Get behind me Satan.” He proceeds to explain to Peter that his words of those of man, not of God. He again makes reference to his divinity. When speaking to the leaders and teachers, he always chides them by making references to his Father and his divine authority.

As we see, this theme is carried through the scriptures by the evangelists who wrote their Gospels to point out that Jesus was the God-Man who came to save. When we take the story of the money changers and use it for the purpose of justifying our actions against those whom we consider to be in a state of sin, we’re taking it out of context, because we’re taking it out of the thread that flows through the Gospels, the thread that reveals to us the God-Man. In fact, what we’re doing is harm to the Gospel message. We’re not reflecting on the Messiahship of the Incarnate Son. Instead, we’re doing like the Jewish leaders did and like Satan did in the desert. We’re using scripture for the wrong reasons. As Christ said, “Anyone can quote scripture.” But we must not just quote scripture. We must reflect on revealed truth when we use scripture. In the case of the temple event, the truth is that Christ is the God-Man.

There is another great truth that is revealed to us in the story of the temple and the money changers, justice. Like today’s great basilicas and shrines, the temple had shops and other businesses on the fringes. Anyone who has visited the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, the Monastery of the Holy Land or the Basilicia of St. Peter, will remember that these also have shops all over the place.

There were money changers at one of the stalls. Money changers were notorious for cheating the people. Most people who came to them were simple souls. The money changers did just that. They changed currency. People traveled between one place and another and those who were more devout stopped at the temple for a visit and prayer. They often needed to change foreign currency for the local currency. Jesus calls them thieves, because they were stealing from the vulnerable. This action is a foreshadowing of the judgment. They certainly were not the only thieves in Palestine. But the Evangelists do not make any references to Jesus challenging or confronting every thief that he met on the road. Why this group?

This takes us back to the original point. This group was in his father’s house. Jesus claims this space as sacred. He has the authority to claim it sacred, because it is his space. He and the father are one. And in God’s sacred space, there is no room for injustice. Here is the great theological truth that the Gospel is telling us. Christ is the Son of the Living God and in his home we shall be judged according to our deeds. But we shall not be allowed to enter his home with injustice in our souls and actions.

The message is not an invitation for us to turn tables, but to change our own hearts and actions. The story invites us to enter the Father’s house as men and women who practice justice. It invites us to enter the Father’s house converted. Once again, we are called to convert ourselves. Our Lord invites us to change ourselves, our actions, our dealings with others, our thoughts and our goals in life, so that we may be pleasing to God.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Dear Br. Jr,

You have again moved me to tears with your words.
I believe they are tears of joy, love, and a little sorrow.

Thank you for helping me understand more clearly a Truth I had hardly grasped but held onto for Dear Life It’s Self.
 
Sometimes people let their emotions them too much. The great spiritual masters of the Christian faith, Catholic and non Catholic, teach us that the first objective of any Christian is to save his soul. God wants to save us now for eternity.

The practice of the virtues is essential to salvation. Saints deliberately avoided getting into situations that would lead them to sin against any of the virtues. The greatest of all virtues is charity. If one finds that dealing with certain information will trigger an uncharitable reaction, then one has a moral duty to avoid it. None of us are the Messiah. None of us can save the world. We have a duty to begin by saving ourselves. From there we branch out. Saints understand this. Their journey begins with their quest to find God. Sometimes that quest takes them into the lives of others.

There are many holy men and women who could not deal with the baggage of society without violating charity. Therefore, they chose to put distance between them and society and left that for someone else to do, someone who could walk amongst men without violating charity, losing their inner composure, sleep or their inner silence.

Two of the greatest spiritual psychologists of our time are William James and Benedict Groeschel. Both point out that saints lived with problems, but without worries. The reason is that saints are very prudent people. They know what they can handle without losing their composure.

Saints also exercise tempererance. But temperance is also tempering our reactions. We see this spelled out very clearly by St. Francis in his directives to the superiors. He tells them that when they deal with a sinful brother, they must receive the brother with great joy, kindness, humility, gentleness, affection and a strong sense of brotherhood. They should never look down at the sinner, nor should they ever abandon the brother in sin. On the contrary, they must get closer to that brother. If they cannot handle this, then they are not to accept the office of superior. Because only he who can serve can correct.

Today we have lost the first part of this advice, the call to serve. We all wan to correct. We want to correct the bishops, priests, religious, laity, government, our relatives, and so forth. But we don’t always want to serve them. We don’t always want to see the good in them, which is where service begins. We don’t always want to be humble before them and admit that we are capable of the same sins and even greater ones were it not for the grace of God. It is difficult to be a servant, when one can’t imagine oneself being a serious sinner.

But this was the charm of St. Francis and St. Clare of Assisi. Together they changed the life of the Church forever and they have converted millions of men and women over a span of 800 years. They have never lost their attractiveness. What makes them so is their charity, temperance, sense of humor, clarity about their own sinfulness, and their prudence in choosing their battles. It’s interesting to note that together they changed the Church of their time without ever taking on the bishops, clergy or religious. You will find nothing in their writings that condemns the sins of the Church. Everything that they wrote about the Church, bishops, priests and laity is very positive. When they presented themselves with such a positve regard, they moved hearts and saved souls. The greatest example of this were Popes Innocent III, Honorius and Gregory IX. The three wee very moved by Francis and Clare. These were very tough men. Some historians have said that they were bull-headed and even worldly. Yet, they were converted by these two people.

There is a wonderful story that actually did happen. I think that I may have shared it. When Gregory IX went to Assisi to canonize Francis he told Clare that he wanted to do something for her. She asked what that might be. He told her that he wanted to mitigate the rule of poverty. Clare turned to him and said, “I would prefer to be absolved from my sins, than from my duty to follow the Gospel.” But she said it in such a charming way, that Gregory broke out in laughter and said, “Touche Mother.”

He still mitigated the rule of poverty, which made Clare very unhappy. Clare wrote him many letters until he died. It was later that Nicholas would grant her the privilege of poverty, just two days before her death. Yet, even though the pope was wrong, Clare never said so. She simply wrote him letters begging for the privilege to live poverty. After almost 40 years, she got her wish and died in peace. The moral of the story is that you don’t get angry because popes and bishops do something wrong. You pray and you ask, over and over again. In the meantime, you live with the card that has been dealt to you.

Not everyone should be in involved in these discussions; because not everyone has the grace to handle them in a saintly manner. That’s why some men and women choose the heremetical life, a life away from the issues of the world, even if they still live in the middle of secular society. One does not have to enter a monastery to live as a hermit or a monk. There are may things that one can do and remain in the secular world. But we have to be honest with ourselves and God. If certain topics and discussions provoke an uncharitable reaction from me takes away my inner silence and inner peace, it’s not my place to be there. I can contribute through prayer and penance.

This is what monk, cloistered nuns, and hermits teach us. But lay people don’t want to take lessons from these folks. It’s unfortunate, because God gives them to the Church so that they can be our teachers and our models of perfect charity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Thanks for your words of wisdom.
 
Dear Brother JR,

I have returned to this thread to re-read your posts. I hope some day you will write a book and let us know if and when you do.

Pax et Bonum
 
Dear Brother JR,

I have returned to this thread to re-read your posts. I hope some day you will write a book and let us know if and when you do.

Pax et Bonum
I don’t know if I would be a good author. I have always liked to write essays. I’ve never thought of an entire book. I have a lot of essays that I have written over the years. I always say that I wan to blish them if someone else reads and edits them. I don’t like to go back to them after a long time. I’m usually on to a new idea.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂

PS I had to come back and share a chuckle. Just above there are some posts that I sure the poster would prefer that I never wrote anyting again, because I have no insight and no proper understanding of the msytics. Life is interesting. Thank God that he is goo and makes up for life’s inconsistencies. 🙂
 
PS I had to come back and share a chuckle. Just above there are some posts that I sure the poster would prefer that I never wrote anyting again, because I have no insight and no proper understanding of the msytics. Life is interesting. Thank God that he is goo and makes up for life’s inconsistencies. 🙂
I hope you don’t mean me by this comment, brother. 😊 Assuredly you possess insight and proper understanding of the mystics.

Although I happen to think there’s room for more than one point of view and one way of understanding the subject - we’re not talking the fixed and rigid certainties of mathematics here, after all.
 
I don’t know if I would be a good author. I have always liked to write essays. I’ve never thought of an entire book. I have a lot of essays that I have written over the years. I always say that I wan to blish them if someone else reads and edits them. I don’t like to go back to them after a long time. I’m usually on to a new idea.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂

PS I had to come back and share a chuckle. Just above there are some posts that I sure the poster would prefer that I never wrote anyting again, because I have no insight and no proper understanding of the msytics. Life is interesting. Thank God that he is goo and makes up for life’s inconsistencies. 🙂
A book of essays would be great! You seem to indicate you have enough of them for a book. I hope you decide to publish and I think many would benefit if you do.

Pax et Bonum
 
JR you should do it…It will help so many and it could also be a source of income for your order
 
On the subject of publishing:

Sister Patricia Proctor, OSC published “101 Inspirational Stories of the Power of Prayer” through her Franciscan Monastery Publishing (Called by Joy), to which I contributed one tiny little story. The Poor Clares of Seattle have published quite a few “101” books.
A priest, Fr. William C. Nicholas, Jr. (who is not a Franciscan) formerly with my parish published “I Saw the World End” (An Introduction to the Bible’s Apocalyptic Literature) through Paulist Press.
Mother Angelica, foundress of EWTN, with the help of Raymond Arroyo has published through Doubleday. And beloved Fr. Benedict Groeschel of EWTN has published many, many books. (one of which is to be published posthumously, the title of which I will not mention here, because it would cause a minor ruckus).
I know the Franciscans use the profits either for their order or to benefit the poor. This, along with the help and inspiration given to their readers through publishing the gems they have perceived.
You could probably contact the publishers I mentioned (plus perhaps St. Ignatius press) and EWTN and someone connected with them would help you on your way to sharing your inspiration. Just a thought. Couldn’t help but post it. My two cents.
 
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