Just to clarify something

[5Loaves]

None of the Russians in the US transfer feast like the Romans do.

“Was there transfer feasts to Sunday in 19th Century Russia? Is outrage!”

Our calendar is almost entirely different from the Latin Church… except for a few feast days. We have different feasts and different saints. In my parish we follow the St. Tikhon’s Lectionary Wall Calendar Revised Julian “New” Calendar from STS Press.

That’s why if one practices one’s liturgical life in a Latin parish one follows the Latin calendar. OP has already be told that again and again.

It was all I could do to not burst out laughing May 7th when our choir began singing the Troparion and Kontakion for St. Alexis: “He called back the sheep who had been led astray…” We be the still astray sheep. Well, the OCA has been very good to me so I could easily pray for him.

Speaking of calendars… I can’t believe we’re at the leave-taking of Pascha. It’s gone by so quickly…

 

[ConstantineTG]

Boy…my experience is just the opposite…tell Roman Catholics about Eastern Catholicism (something most don’t even know exists) and they are VERY interested. I can show you about 200 “converts” that I know personally just in So Cal. The Eastern Catholics are the best kept secret in the Catholic Communion.

Good for you! But I get those looks that are usually reserved for SDAs and JWs, as if I wasn’t Catholic at all. There’s a growing number of Filipinos back home who are interested in the Eastern faith. If only I can have them here with me rather than those I come across with.

In person to person discussions with people I have known, I usually got a range of responses that included mild curiosity and overt suspicion. I even was warned about it, as if I was putting myself in possible danger, but most people were too polite.

Hardly anyone I knew was motivated to join me on a Sunday. The radio show helped, it drew a lot of curious individuals but sometimes (not usually) these people came in a bit judgmental, like new owners taking inventory.

I know what you mean. I wish I know how to get people into the parish on Sundays. So far I’ve only invited one person who’s there because I was trying to setup something with the RC Archdiocese. I never heard from that person again. So I guess what I wanted to happen just hit a brick wall.

 

[Aramis]

We had some Mirconesian visitors for Vigil DL saturday. They were very uncertain about our Catholicity, until Friar Steven mentioned that he was a Franciscan Friar… They said they might be back…

The look of terror when they don’t recognize the liturgy at all… my heart goes out to them. (But, I’ll note: one of them obviously sight-reads… she was singing along!)

 

[ciero]

Good for you! But I get those looks that are usually reserved for SDAs and JWs, as if I wasn’t Catholic at all. There’s a growing number of Filipinos back home who are interested in the Eastern faith. If only I can have them here with me rather than those I come across with.

I know what you mean. I wish I know how to get people into the parish on Sundays. So far I’ve only invited one person who’s there because I was trying to setup something with the RC Archdiocese. I never heard from that person again. So I guess what I wanted to happen just hit a brick wall.

You need to move down to the LA area then…loads of Filipinos at the Eastern Catholic churches…they love the spirituality! (and I love their food!! )

 

[Vico]

Monica4316,

When an eastern Catholic’s ascribed Church sui iuris has no jurisdiction in a territory, then the Latin Church, by default, is placed in charge of them, that is unless another eastern Church is designated. Then that ordinary is their proper ordinary even when of a different Church sui iuris, but is supposed to provide everything necessary to follow the proper traditions. It also means that for them, it is permissible to follow the holy days and days of fast/abstinance where on is staying.

For some eastern Catholics (e.g., there are 10 eastern Cathoic Churches with jurisdiction in the USA) that do not have a parish of their own Church sui iuris nearby, are still under their eastern ordinary (eparch/exarch), but will be in the care of a Latin Church pastor by default, or of another Church as chosen by their ordinary.

 

[ConstantineTG]

You need to move down to the LA area then…loads of Filipinos at the Eastern Catholic churches…they love the spirituality! (and I love their food!! )

We need them to move back home so that a mission may be established in the Philippines

Its good there’s plenty of them there. I need to stay here and do God’s work here

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother Vico,

It also means that for them, it is permissible to follow the holy days and days of fast/abstinance where on is staying.

Actually, it is not just permissible. It is their right and, even, obligation to carry out their Tradition according to the particular Church to which they canonically belong. I’m sure you can cite the appropriate canons on the matter.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Vico]

Dear brother Vico,

Actually, it is not just permissible. It is their right and, even, obligation to carry out their Tradition according to the particular Church to which they canonically belong. I’m sure you can cite the appropriate canons on the matter.

Blessings,
Marduk

The Church allows for those traveling or for those outside the territory of their ascribed Church sui iuris, to follow the feast days and days of penance where they are staying, even though it is different than their tradition. Similarly so, in families of Catholics with members of different Church sui iuris, they can adopt one or the other practice which makes meals and churchgoing harmonious. So in these situations and these specific ways they do not have an obligation to carry out their tradition. (CCEO 883)

intratext.com/IXT/ENG1199/_POJ.HTM#K

 

[oldkiss321]

thumps up for your article, great post… Baby Wear

 

[mardukm]

The Church allows for those traveling or for those outside the territory of their ascribed Church sui iuris, to follow the feast days and days of penance where they are staying, even though it is different than their tradition.

It is not a mere allowance. It is their right.

Similarly so, in families of Catholics with members of different Church sui iuris, they can adopt one or the other practice which makes meals and churchgoing harmonious. So in these situations and these specific ways they do not have an obligation to carry out their tradition. (CCEO 883)

They “can” because it is their right. And yes, even their obligation.

See Canons 12, 17, and 403, Section 1.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Monica4316]

The Church allows for those traveling or for those outside the territory of their ascribed Church sui iuris, to follow the feast days and days of penance where they are staying, even though it is different than their tradition. Similarly so, in families of Catholics with members of different Church sui iuris, they can adopt one or the other practice which makes meals and churchgoing harmonious. So in these situations and these specific ways they do not have an obligation to carry out their tradition. (CCEO 883)

intratext.com/IXT/ENG1199/_POJ.HTM#K

thanks for the reply, - “where I am staying” is that the Latin rite, since my bishop is the local Latin bishop? (Russian Catholics don’t have their own bishops)

 

[Aramis]

thanks for the reply, - “where I am staying” is that the Latin rite, since my bishop is the local Latin bishop? (Russian Catholics don’t have their own bishops)

Most places, probably. Some places (Like Alaska) have other arrangements made assigning Russian Catholics to other churches Sui Iuris.

 

[5Loaves]

I am being guided by my priest to overcome scrupulosity

Since you have brought these topics up in a number of threads here and on another forum I continue to sincerely believe it would be most helpful to you to address your persistent concerns with this priest who is trying to help you with your problem with scrupulosity.

Getting the same series of responses, which are again being recycled on this thread, isn’t going to resolve your inner conflict.

Again, I pray that your priest can assist you in finding peace about this.

 

[Vico]

thanks for the reply, - “where I am staying” is that the Latin rite, since my bishop is the local Latin bishop? (Russian Catholics don’t have their own bishops)

Staying here has two meanings, one for transients, and another for those the have domicile or semi-domicile. It does not mean the “Latin rite”. Russian Catholics are in the care of the Latin bishop where they are staying, unless other arrangments have been made.

 

[Vico]

It is not a mere allowance. It is their right.

They “can” because it is their right. And yes, even their obligation.

See Canons 12, 17, and 403, Section 1.

Blessings,
Marduk

The way the canon expresses it uses can and permitted so I wrote allows:

CCEO Canon 883

1. The Christian faithful who are outside the territorial boundaries of their own Church sui iuris can adopt fully for themselves the feast days and days of penance which are in force where they are staying.
2. In families in which the parents are enrolled in different Churches sui iuris, it is permitted to observe the norms of one or the other Church, in regard to feast days and days of penance.

 

[Monica4316]

thanks

I think I need to get a dispensation from the Sunday obligation for a couple weeks because my family might be going on a trip to a place where there are no Catholic churches (or I won’t be able to get to any). I read that I’m supposed to ask my pastor for this. Since Russian Catholics fall under the local Roman Catholic jurisdiction (bishop), should I aks my local Latin rite pastor?

 

[ConstantineTG]

thanks

I think I need to get a dispensation from the Sunday obligation for a couple weeks because my family might be going on a trip to a place where there are no Catholic churches (or I won’t be able to get to any). I read that I’m supposed to ask my pastor for this. Since Russian Catholics fall under the local Roman Catholic jurisdiction (bishop), should I aks my local Latin rite pastor?

You ask the priest of whichever parish you frequent. I don’t even go to any RC priest anymore even though I’m still canonically Roman. Except for my last pastor who keeps on calling me whenever his computer breaks down but I’m happy to oblige

 

[Monica4316]

thanks

that is funny about the computer

 

[ConstantineTG]

thanks

that is funny about the computer

The funniest part about that is that he still acts as if I’m a parishioner at his parish

 

[mardukm]

Dear sister Monica,

thanks

I think I need to get a dispensation from the Sunday obligation for a couple weeks because my family might be going on a trip to a place where there are no Catholic churches (or I won’t be able to get to any). I read that I’m supposed to ask my pastor for this. Since Russian Catholics fall under the local Roman Catholic jurisdiction (bishop), should I aks my local Latin rite pastor?

I hope brother Vico can provide the appropriate canon reference for you (as I don’t have the time to look for it), but if you are in an area where there are no Catholic Churches, your Sunday obligation is automatically rescinded. You don’t need a dispensation. You can attend an apostolic Church with valid Eucharist and receive (if they let you). You can do that for the sake of strengthening your spirit. You won’t be fulfilling your Sunday obligation, however, but that is because you have none to fulfill in the circumstance you have presented.

Blessings,
Marduk