Just War and the Gospel

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Francis Phillips, Catholic HeraldInternational August 6, 2013

TS Eliot wrote that April is the cruelest month. For the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, including those who survived the atomic bomb, August is crueler. Looking at the faces of elderly Japanese weeping during the recent 65th anniversary reminds one what a dreadful event it was. Those who argued for the dropping of the atomic bomb, including the late Leonard Cheshire VC, must contend with all those, such as the former priest Bruce Kent, who have always argued passionately against nuclear warfare of any kind. Nuclear war is one thing; but what about conventional warfare? The firebombing of Tokyo during the Second World War by General Curtis LeMay killed over 100,000 ordinary people – as many as who died at Hiroshima. Reading the newly published memoirs of the American (Protestant) theologian, Stanley Hauerwas, has made me think again about the Christian idea of the “just war”. Indeed, is the concept valid anymore?

The late pope, John Paul II, was certain, at least, that the war against Iraq was completely wrong; “War never again!” was his deep and abiding conviction. Hauerwas was a Christian believer in the theory of the just war – until he met a fellow academic who argued him into Christian pacifism. Like the late great Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker, he has incurred unpopularity among his fellows Americans for his anti-war stand, particularly since 9/11.
I think this argument is really focused on the fact that weapons of war have gotten more destructive. That really seems the only thing at issue here in the questioning of whether a “Just War” concept is “valid” anymore.

I would take issue with that assertion, however. Means of waging war do not affect just causes of war, only how wars ought be prosecuted.

And as far as that goes, Western desires to reduce the damage of war have led to weapons and tactics that greatly minimize collateral damage. During WWII, there was precious little that could be done to minimize collateral damage from a bomb. Now, there are technologies that allow bombs to be much more targeted.

Many are criticizing Israel right now, but some of the methods they are employing to minimize civilian casualties help illustrate the point. They may not be doing enough, but they have been doing such things as dropping leaflets and even empty canisters onto identified targets giving prior warning for civilians to get out. They’ve also used cell phone and GPS technologies to warn people of an impending strike and to get out of the area. They may not do this enough, but that combined with the relatively greater precision of delivering explosives that is possible with modern technology has significantly reduced the danger to civilians compared to WWII era weapons and tactics.

And the assertion that war is much more deadly now than it was in the past I don’t think holds water, anyway. Pre-modern war still carried very high tolls in human death and misery and injustices. Melee warfare was often more deadly proportionately to soldiers than modern warfare is. Reconnaissance, control and discipline over commanders and soldiers in the modern era can reduce the “fog of war” and chaotic abuses among the civilian populace that was often even more rampant in pre-modern warfare. Modern economies, logistics, supply chains and so forth has dramatically reduced the relative amount of injustice of commandeering, raiding, foraging, and quartering of troops and the theft, rape, murder, kidnapping, slavery, destruction of families, famine, disease, and social breakdown that traditionally accompanied the movement of pre-modern armies and waging of such warfare.

Pre-modern total warfare often saw much forced enslavement and conscription, either during the course of war or as spoils of war. Mass forced labor; mass forced emigration of populations; mass slaughter of whole populations of towns, villages, and cities; massive famine and disease; starvation of cities due to sieges; etc. All of these spoke of the very high toll of pre-modern warfare.

To claim that the formulators of Just War principles were not conscious of these human costs of war is false.

To say that modern warfare has higher cost than pre-modern warfare merely because individual pieces of weaponry are capable of doing more destruction is, I think (for the reasons above) similarly false. In fact, if you consider wars waged by modern Western forces (given their technology) after WWII, and compared it to wars previous, I am pretty sure that you would find that such wars are, proportionately (compared to the population sizes), much less destructive than previous wars.

Which is a sign that we are headed in the right direction, and that our ability to minimize the damage of wars as well as the incidence of wars (armed conflict among the Western powers has dramatically reduced) is improving. I have no doubt that the Catholic heritage of Just War principles has been a primary driver in this trend.
 
How do you think the American revolution would have went if they refused to wage war? The US would not exist right now, nor would many other countries, if there is NO just wars, then prayer should be enough to resolve things in our world, but it isnt, so something is wrong.
Are you sure we have tried prayer enough? Or are we just assuming???
 
How do you think the American revolution would have went if they refused to wage war? The US would not exist right now, nor would many other countries, if there is NO just wars, then prayer should be enough to resolve things in our world, but it isnt, so something is wrong.
While I am certainly no pacifist, and I big believer in the Just War theory, your logic is seems poor. You cannot judge whether a war is just based on its outcome.

If there are no just wars, prayer should be enough? I am not for sure what you even mean by this.

Yes, I am happy the US exists, its my home, and I feel patriotic. OTH, it is not a cut and dried case that the American revolution had a just cause. It was largely about taxes and trade restrictions. Overall taxes on American colonists were lower than on English colonies. Trade restrictions on the colonies put in place on Britain were absurd, however English government pretty much survived at the time on various import/export tariffs and there were no ways to collect that from the Americans.
 
Are you sure we have tried prayer enough? Or are we just assuming???
How do you think God answers prayers? Through the actions of people.

Ever hear the modern platitude: “BE the change you want in the world.” It has some truth.

We are Christ’s hands and feet. We are called to DO SOMETHING.

Just as Faith without Works is Dead, so Prayer without Action is dead.

Should we just pray that all our problems will go away and not do anything? Someone feels unloved, depressed, lonely, suicidal. Let’s just pray in private for them but not do anything, don’t worry about showing them love, just pray that God will. Someone is hungry, starving, homeless, desperate. Just pray but don’t do anything–God will magically drop food in their laps, give them shelter, you don’t have to give them food or anything. Someone is being raped, abused, oppressed by racial or religious hatred. Just pray that their abusers will stop and get justice, but don’t support anyone stopping the injustice or bringing charges. A man is about to shoot a woman and her children; numerous armed cops are standing by. Just pray and it will all go away–those cops shouldn’t do anything.

This is not Christian. This shows no understanding whatsoever for the Gospel. It is not compassionate. It is not merciful. It is not faithful. It is an utter dereliction of true charity, and we will answer for it. Sins of omission are sins.

Jesus says that whatever you do to the least of these, you do to him. You may have all the faith in the world, but if you do not HELP those who are naked, thirsty, in prison, oppressed, in danger, etc., Jesus will tell you that he does not know you. Crying “Lord, Lord, please help them” and doing nothing yourself is shutting out the Spirit who is telling you to act. Abdicating your responsibility by pushing it solely on to God to miraculously intervene is not faith or understanding. It is denial of Jesus. And such risks Jesus then denying you before the Father.

So wake up and stand up for your brothers and sisters. Defend them against evil. Do not leave them helpless against it.

And for God’s sake, listen to His Church when it tells you that self-defense and Just War is sometimes a grave moral obligation! That to NOT take up that obligation can be grave (mortal) sin!
 
How do you think God answers prayers? Through the actions of people.

Ever hear the modern platitude: “BE the change you want in the world.” It has some truth.

We are Christ’s hands and feet. We are called to DO SOMETHING.

Just as Faith without Works is Dead, so Prayer without Action is dead.

Should we just pray that all our problems will go away and not do anything? Someone feels unloved, depressed, lonely, suicidal. Let’s just pray in private for them but not do anything, don’t worry about showing them love, just pray that God will. Someone is hungry, starving, homeless, desperate. Just pray but don’t do anything–God will magically drop food in their laps, give them shelter, you don’t have to give them food or anything. Someone is being raped, abused, oppressed by racial or religious hatred. Just pray that their abusers will stop and get justice, but don’t support anyone stopping the injustice or bringing charges. A man is about to shoot a woman and her children; numerous armed cops are standing by. Just pray and it will all go away–those cops shouldn’t do anything.

This is not Christian. This shows no understanding whatsoever for the Gospel. It is not compassionate. It is not merciful. It is not faithful. It is an utter dereliction of true charity, and we will answer for it. Sins of omission are sins.

Jesus says that whatever you do to the least of these, you do to him. You may have all the faith in the world, but if you do not HELP those who are naked, thirsty, in prison, oppressed, in danger, etc., Jesus will tell you that he does not know you. Crying “Lord, Lord, please help them” and doing nothing yourself is shutting out the Spirit who is telling you to act. Abdicating your responsibility by pushing it solely on to God to miraculously intervene is not faith or understanding. It is denial of Jesus. And such risks Jesus then denying you before the Father.

So wake up and stand up for your brothers and sisters. Defend them against evil. Do not leave them helpless against it.

And for God’s sake, listen to His Church when it tells you that self-defense and Just War is sometimes a grave moral obligation! That to NOT take up that obligation can be grave (mortal) sin!
Self defense and just war are NEVER a grave moral obligation. Jesus himself said turn the other cheek.

We must strive for peace and love always. Violence begets Violence and the circle never ends. Blessed are the peacemakers.
 
Self defense and just war are NEVER a grave moral obligation.
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to … defend one’s country:
It’s hard to reconcile your statement with the Church’s teaching.
 
Self defense and just war are NEVER a grave moral obligation. Jesus himself said turn the other cheek.

We must strive for peace and love always. Violence begets Violence and the circle never ends. Blessed are the peacemakers.
He invited individuals to “turn the other cheek” for themselves. He did NOT advocate making that choice for another person, or standing by idly while defenseless innocents under your care are being slaughtered while you have the power to stop it!!

How dare you? How can you possibly think that it is okay to do nothing while children are being raped and hacked to pieces?

All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing. Cowardice is the first sin listed in Revelation that merits the lake of fire!

Revelation 21:8 --But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

As bbentrup said, your view is directly at odds with that of our Church. Defense, even military defense IS a duty, a moral obligation. As stated in the Catechism:
2310 Public authorities, in this case, have the right and** duty** to impose on citizens the obligations necessary for national defense.

“as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.” [Cf. Vatican II, Gaudium et spes 79, 4]

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a** grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others.** The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

2266…Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense…

2269…The moral law prohibits exposing someone to mortal danger without grave reason, as well as refusing assistance to a person in danger. … (such as these refugees!)

2232 2321 The prohibition of murder does not abrogate the right to render an unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm.** Legitimate defense is a grave duty for whoever is responsible for the lives of others or the common good. **

Similarly, in several places the CCC and conciliar documents recognize that war is a reality that we will not be free from until Christ’s Second Coming. It therefore recognizes the necessity of waging war under strict circumstances, all the time working as much as possible and practical to eliminate the causes of war and seek peace as swiftly as possible. All of that admits the necessity to wage war.

Further, with regard to the current situation, you are at odds with Pope Francis and all of our church leaders who have spoken out on this issue. They have called for an armed response, called for protection for the refugees (which must be done militarily), called for the terrorists to be stopped and brought to justice for their crimes (which must be done militarily), have pleaded to the UN and to individual nations unilaterally, even for just such military intervention, and have even specifically called the US military airstrikes “necessary.”

Listen to the Church! Have mercy for the innocent! Be not so monstrously heartless!

Do not give them up to their murderers by opposing justice and mercy. To oppose the defense of the innocent is to be in league with Satan and opposed to all justice, mercy and charity. We will be held to account for such crimes and lack of solidarity, for it is an offense against Jesus himself to so heartlessly abandon the least of his little ones!
 
Of course you have the right to defend yourself/family if your life is in imminent danger and you are being attacked, but until we end the circle of violence, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.

Give peace a chance.

War is good for absolutely nothing.
 
Of course you have the right to defend yourself/family if your life is in imminent danger and you are being attacked, but until we end the circle of violence, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.

Give peace a chance.

War is good for absolutely nothing.
Tell that to ISIS. See if it stops them massacring innocents.

This position is naive and detached from reality. Our Church knows better. People’s lives are on the line. Have a little mercy for them, for God’s sake.
 
During the 12th Century, the Muslim Turks started raiding and burning towns within the Roman Empire. The Byzantine Emperor did not have an army big enough to protect his people, whom God had entrusted to his Imperial Charge. So, he turned to Bl. Urban II, the Pope of Rome. Bl. Urban went around France, preaching the First Crusade. He stated that since Jerusalem is a Catholic City, it is left to Catholics to defend it. The Holy Pontiff encouraged a huge mass of French Nobility to wear the Sign of Victory, the Holy Cross, and defend the people of the Holy Land, both Catholics, Jews and innocent Muslims. The men present shouted the famous cry “Deus Vult” - God Wills it!
The most holy Sites of Catholicism were being decimated, and thus Holy Mother Church must protect them anyway She sees fit. They were many miracles that took place during the Crusades, of which there were 14 in all.

Holy Church defines a just war as a war to protect your people from an invading nation. For example, if ISIS invaded the US, then you would be justified in defending the people. However, and unjust war is a war in which one country invades another for its land.

The wars between ancient Israel and the nations of Pagandom were justified since God Himself commanded them. The heathens were damned by God, so they had to be punishment by Divine Punishment - death. The most atrocious rites and practices were being performed by those people, to the Offence of the Divine Majesty. Sometimes, a war is needed to keep the peace. But such a war MUST be sanctioned by God and His Catholic Church.
 
Let’s be gentle with each other in this discussion.

First of all, “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind” is a deliberate subversion of Sacred Scripture. It’s not a nice saying for any Christian to be using. It also goes against the historical meaning of “An eye for an eye” - namely, that justice says you can’t demand “a life for an eye,” or “a whole town burned to death for an eye.”

Jesus amended the law of “An eye for an eye.” He didn’t say, “Oh, yeah, Moses was a sick nasty man for writing that, and I’m scrubbing it out of the Bible.”

But on the other hand, we do have to remember that war, law enforcement, courts, etc. are all temporary things. In the end, Jesus will have done His stint as warrior defeating the Devil, and He will have done His stint as the righteous Judge of the Universe. Then we will have Peace and Justice forever, without war or other unpleasant expedients. So it’s not wrong to desire peace.

But determining the right thing to do in each particular instance requires prudence and love, not some kind of blanket formula or catchphrase.
 
Let’s be gentle with each other in this discussion.

First of all, “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind” is a deliberate subversion of Sacred Scripture. It’s not a nice saying for any Christian to be using. It also goes against the historical meaning of “An eye for an eye” - namely, that justice says you can’t demand “a life for an eye,” or “a whole town burned to death for an eye.”

Jesus amended the law of “An eye for an eye.” He didn’t say, “Oh, yeah, Moses was a sick nasty man for writing that, and I’m scrubbing it out of the Bible.”

But on the other hand, we do have to remember that war, law enforcement, courts, etc. are all temporary things. In the end, Jesus will have done His stint as warrior defeating the Devil, and He will have done His stint as the righteous Judge of the Universe. Then we will have Peace and Justice forever, without war or other unpleasant expedients. So it’s not wrong to desire peace.

But determining the right thing to do in each particular instance requires prudence and love, not some kind of blanket formula or catchphrase.
Thank you for your message of peace and love. This is an issue that brings conflict in persons and within the individual. I war in myself at the RIGHT thing to do. I want to protect innocent people. I want to protect myself. But I also want to do what Jesus wants me to do. Some people take that for pacifist. But I know I have never trusted Jesus enough. In the end I always think I can do it myself. (I know I can’t!) See the conflict? I think people are TORN in a Christian way…
 
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