Just war doctrine?

[ahollars]

I believe that both rprossi and ahollars are both a bit overboard (and off topic?) in their responses.

Sorry about that, but someone saying that there shouldn’t even be a Just War Doctrine gets under my skin.

I don’t know if you caught my earlier post about why violence is not justified yet, but allow me to add that I will not hesitate to call upon my fellow Catholics to stand up if that time comes upon us. There are many who will hesitate that day, not out of personal fear, but fear that the decision is wrong. For that reason, I think it is important for us to examine the scenario that would need to happen before we call to arms. It’s also important that the other side hear it as well, so they can never say that they didn’t know.

I would think that someone from Texas would appreciate that better than other parts of this country. (I was born and raised an Okie )

Just my :twocents:

 

[aggiecatholic05]

There are many who will hesitate that day, not out of personal fear, but fear that the decision is wrong. For that reason, I think it is important for us to examine the scenario that would need to happen before we call to arms. It’s also important that the other side hear it as well, so they can never say that they didn’t know.

exactly. that is why this thread is here. and with catholics voting about the same as the general population we need to be extra dilligent in educating our brethren

 

[adowcday]

His Holiness has called liberation theology a heresy… I ask again, how is this not a form of liberation theology?

Actually, His Holiness said no such thing. Neither Pope John Paul II nor Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) condemned all forms of liberation theology, although they were highly critical of the use of Marxism by some of the liberation theologians. Gustavo Gutierrez and many others have commented that these critiques set up a “straw man” that scarcely resembles the liberation theologies that were promoted by Gutierrez, Juan Segundo, Leonardo Boff, and others. Having read a fair amount of liberation theology and the critiques by JPII and Ratzinger, I agree.

People throw the word “heresy” around pretty freely and unjustifiably on CA forums.

 

[adowcday]

now this is purely a hypothetical. but it is an issue i have been studying on lately.

and a simple glance shows that it is a given that we are under an unjust governmet.

-widespread abortion and a ruling class that wants to keep, protect, and expand it here and around the world on the taxpayer dime
-the removal of conscience protections from doctors, pharmacists,nurses,etc
-the appoiontment of racist biased indivuals to the courts for political gain
-the continuation of war/confilct around the globe while ignoring the genocieds happening(darfur, abortion)
-the advancing tides of ‘gay marriage’
-the robbing of the people in the dying ponzi scheme that is social security
-the attempts to take a persons healt decesion and give them to politician
-the attempts to take away parental rights and give them to the u.n.

now authority to rule is a privlege not a right. abuse of that privlege can give the people cause to rebel. now my question is if we were to have a 2nd Americian Revolution would it be a just war?

assuming we fought fair i think it would be. comments?

Wow, a serial mischaracterization of the Obama administration’s policies used to incite to treason and revolution. Nice…

 

[aggiecatholic05]

Wow, a serial mischaracterization of the Obama administration’s policies used to incite to treason and revolution. Nice…

1. its not treason if the government has no right to rule
2. it is a thread of if revolution would be justified not trying to start one
3. they may be generalizations, but they are anything but mischaeritizations, if anything i was overly charitable with what is being promoted in our government.

 

[phoage]

Originally posted by ahollars
I don’t know if you caught my earlier post about why violence is not justified yet, but allow me to add that I will not hesitate to call upon my fellow Catholics to stand up if that time comes upon us. There are many who will hesitate that day, not out of personal fear, but fear that the decision is wrong. For that reason, I think it is important for us to examine the scenario that would need to happen before we call to arms. It’s also important that the other side hear it as well, so they can never say that they didn’t know.

I would think that someone from Texas would appreciate that better than other parts of this country. (I was born and raised an Okie )

I agree,both with the need for discussion and for the warning the opposition that the discussion is taking place. I just do not see that if the situation occurs, that it can be covered by Just War Doctrine. In addition there is not the political aspect that might moderate a Vatican denouncement as was present during WWII so that Catholics participating in such a revolution would also have to contemplate defying the Pope.

From the perspective of justifying action on purely secular grounds, I believe that it quite easily be demonstrated that legislative indifference and judicial activism are in defiance of the will of a majority of the (tax paying, voting) population.

The only problem I have (and its a biggie) is that my historical studies have demonstrated to me that as a cure for problems, revolution is usually much worse than the disease. The American Revolution was fairly mild as an example but just for a moment, take a look at the lives of just those (who were at the top of their society) who signed the Declaration of Independance. Almost all paid dearly with their “…lives, fortune, and sacred honor” or a combination of the above. What the commoners paid was generally worse. AND there is no guarantee that we would be that lucky in the next.

I am enormously dissatisfied with the direction of current American society and things are beginning to get desperate on many levels but I fear revolution almost as much as I fear God.

“God is with us” is the motto of almost every war. The motto has been wrong more times than not.

Patrick