Just what is "common sense gun control?" How about a few examples?

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LeafByNiggle said:
As I said in my edit, this is not Nazi Germany. And the analogy is apt.
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ROFL - It also wasn’t NAZI germany when they started gun registration, it was the prior govt. You are weak on your history, stop ignore the links you have been provided many times in the past.

Your analogy of an expensive toy for the rich vs a tool for the regular man doesn’t hold.
 
jfz178 said:
How is that relevant to anything?
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It is incredulous to argue that we don’t have enough guns when we already have at least double the number of guns per capita as anywhere else.
And it depends on what you mean by a “major nation.” You raise the bar pretty high, because some might opine that we are the only “major nation” left.
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That’s quite a narrow view of the world.
The Vatican has about 850 residents. The Swiss Guard armory has every single weapon that has ever been issued by them in 500 years, including thousands of firearms, creating a higher ration than the US, perhaps the highest in the world.
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Statistics on such a tiny number of residents in meaningless. And you are counting museum pieces that have no chance of being fired.
In Mexico, Brazil and South Africa there is probably a ratio of guns per capita close to the US,…
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Rather than guess, why don’t you look it up:

US: 101 guns per 100 residents
Brazil: 8 guns per 100 residents
Mexico: 15 guns per 100 residents
South Africa: 12.7 guns per 100 residents
 
Theo520 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
As I said in my edit, this is not Nazi Germany. And the analogy is apt.
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ROFL - It also wasn’t NAZI germany when they started gun registration, it was the prior govt. You are weak on your history, stop ignore the links you have been provided many times in the past.

Your analogy of an expensive toy for the rich vs a tool for the regular man doesn’t hold.
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The expense of an aircraft is an irrelevant detail to the point being made, that being that registration is not necessarily the first step to confiscation.
 
Apples and oranges. It is happening, right now. Just one for instance that is in the news now: Hawaii has decided to defy federal law and make medical marijuana legal, with a prescription. But now, that same state government has sent letters to people with medical marijuana cards (a violation of patient privacy) saying they have to turn in their guns because they are in violation of federal law using marijuana and owning guns, so they have to turn them in. Now Hawaii Five-Oh has announced they will be confiscating guns from those that don’t comply.

A more egregious example is that the VA has said that people who get VA benefits, but have elected someone else to handle their VA payments are by definition not competent to handle their own affairs and therefore not competent to have guns. They have reported all them the to the BAFTE. Those people cannot pass NICS checks now. BAFTE is required by law to confiscate and they have done some. Fortunately BAFTE is understaffed and grossly incompetent, so it has been limited.

After Katrina, law enforcement conducted unlawful searches and seizures and forcefully interrogated suspected gun owners on the say so of the mayor of New Orleans. Guns were confiscated and never returned. New Orleans was sued over this and lost.

Hitler said that to achieve his aims, there could be no guns in private hands. He started with registration, which enabled confiscation. You either learn the lessons of history or you repeat them. If it can happen, it will happen.
 
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Those stats are only known guns in private hands, not in government or criminal hands.
 
Of course it is. How can you confiscate if you don’t know who has what guns? Kick in every door in the country? Registration is absolutely necessary to confiscation. And BTW, federal registration is not legal, yet the feds are illegally doing. This according to the GAO, not some conspiracy group.
 
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Of course it is. How can you confiscate if you don’t know who has what guns? Kick in every door in the country? Registration is absolutely necessary to confiscation. And BTW, federal registration is not legal, yet the feds are illegally doing. This according to the GAO, not some conspiracy group.
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Don’t confuse a necessary condition with a sufficient condition.
 
How on Earth would anyone know how many unregistered guns are in criminal hands? Do they use a Ouija board? That’s ridiculous. Those can only be estimates made by governments who have a stake in how those estimates look.

Here’s the reason you will never convince me of a single point you are making. You trust the government to do the right thing, the “nanny state” view of socialists. Mine is more in line with the Framers of the Constitution. We each select “facts” that support our views. This argument is endless.
 
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In our retirement, for our security my wife and I added an ADT system to our new 55 and older community patio home, joined the local Police “registration program”…and purchased one fire arm each. We were trained by local firm, passed background checks, registered our firearms, received conceal carry licenses.

We visit the target range for shooting practice periodically and also we have found another group of like minded friends through this sport. The firearms are locked in our closest and we can get at them in about 10 seconds.

Common sense gun control then, to my mind, is what I described above…at least as it applies to handguns. I’m not a hunter and cannot competently discuss long gun issues. The only other issue that would apply to the hand gun topic, is about private gun shows where background checks today are not required everywhere. I believe that it would not be too inconvenient to have a bonded service participate in these shows that would have immediate computer access to conduct background checks. This is one loophole that should be closed. Regarding what to do about sales between individuals…I think there should be a method, just like selling a car, where the firearm serial number is transferred to the new owner. There should be no problem with this type of tracking, any more than there should be regarding my automobiles. I’ll leave it to others to determine how best to create a version of BMV for handguns.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
That is a bad law pushed by the NRA that prevents us from knowing who the bad guys are.
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incompetence of the government to do its job is the nra’s fault?

72 hours should be more than enough

keeping the data is a defacto registry
 
LeafByNiggle said:
As I said in my edit, this is not Nazi Germany. And the analogy is apt.
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you ignore the obvious statements of the left (i posted many in the past). they have made their intentions know but go ahead ignore it because it doesn’t fit your agenda.

if she had the votes we would not have the guns.
Dianne Feinstein
If I could’ve gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them
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jfz178 said:
How on Earth would anyone know how many unregistered guns are in criminal hands? Do they use a Ouija board? That’s ridiculous. Those can only be estimates made by governments who have a stake in how those estimates look.
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There are several channels for those sorts of estimates, such as sales of guns and ammunition, police estimates from their encounters with criminals. In some cases it is a wide estimate, but remember, we are starting with a 10:1 ratio in most cases between the US and another country. It would take an exceptionally bad estimate to bring that to 1:1. Look up the “Small Arms Survey” by the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva, Switzerland, for more information on how they made their estimates. Whatever method they are using, I’m sure it is better than the wild guesses I see on this forum.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
It is incredulous to argue that we don’t have enough guns when we already have at least double the number of guns per capita as anywhere else.
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how many households have guns? we have a long way to go.
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Changing the goalposts, eh? If you think the number of guns per capita is an irrelevant figure, go ahead and make your case for that.
 
Theo520 said:
ROFL - It also wasn’t NAZI germany when they started gun registration, it was the prior govt. You are weak on your history, stop ignore the links you have been provided many times in the past.
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@LeafByNiggle
I also noticed you completely ignored this important correction to your understanding of history.

To add depth, the prior Govt put the gun registry in place with the intention of thwarting the like of Fascists, but the Fascists won and used it to disarm the population. Once you have it in place, you can’t just undo it because you don’t like who won the next election.
 
Theo520 said:
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Theo520:
ROFL - It also wasn’t NAZI germany when they started gun registration, it was the prior govt. You are weak on your history, stop ignore the links you have been provided many times in the past.
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@LeafByNiggle
I also noticed you completely ignored this important correction to your understanding of history.

To add depth, the prior Govt put the gun registry in place with the intention of thwarting the like of Fascists, but the Fascists won and used it to disarm the population. Once you have it in place, you can’t just undo it because you don’t like who won the next election.
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Hitler truly had popular support of the people. His takeover would have happened with or without gun registration by the previous government. You can fantasize about a popular resistance to Hitler, but the fact is there was not much resistance. If that resistance had guns, their actions at forcibly opposing the popular government would have gotten them all labelled as what we would today call “terrorists.” The majority of the population would have turned against them for disrupting German life. In short, gun registration by the previous government was not a factor.
 
Were this true, the Allies would not have sent weapons to the resistance in German occupied territory.

Your weak understanding of history explains much of you position on weapons.
 
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