Justice or Process

[AndyF]

Part 1/2

We are not the only sinning entity that God can judge, but at least we can expect favouritism to be non-existant in respect to judgements of this entity. This post is not for the squemish or those who can’t remain focused on the issue. What I’m going to say is uncomfortable, but all the same is in the spirit of any study of a justice system.

We are created beings that are aware of our expectations and what may befall us if we do not conform and obey. We are to glorify our Creator, and one day as joint creationists, and barring our propensity to self destruct, we may ourselves create aware living machines, real “Blade Runner” machines that will be sensitive,caring and possess the ability to choose, and they too will need to conform to our commands. We will judge them at a certain point, and we will choose to have the process closed off from their kind. Announcements to them in regards to how and why a specific outcome came about will be none of their business, and we will insist they agree. We could have them sit at any trial of their species. The result will be it would reinforce the faith they have in us, as now what we had said was true, is made evident. But then, what do we care how they feel, we told them we love them to the maximum we could, we’ll apply that to our test as well.

In democratic systems the citizens tend to define a justice system in context of who it will apply to, and it is they who usually create it. We envision a true system as one that is under control of those whom it is applied. The judged are uncomfortable to be subject to justice in which they can’t control, that is natural. It is also monitored by them as well, and on a regular basis it is studied for effect and impariality, and they will ensure a double standard is not applied. Justice systems are analyzed to ensure it doesn’t fall into the trap of double standards. Man prefers to take a tabula rasa approach to this analsys, so the judge is also analyzed for his performance and ethical and moral judgements.

I see every system of justice where it is applied to me as one that can be critiqued, and I hold no particular criticism to any system. I think every created creature that is to be judged has an inalienable right to have a fair system open to his criticism and at least some control. I take the authority to do so on the basis that it is applied to my species, and ever since the Holy Spirit entered into covenant with man at Pentecost, then we understand an alliance in terms of definitions, and a merging of procedures and processes, of the imperfect perfected somewhat by a perfect Partner. Prone to error systems made by man, they are now balanced more to perfection by a perfect God. God also recognizes that we bound this democratic system of justice study and agrees to it. So we can be assured that what is *bound on earth is truly bound in heaven. *

The other entity is society, or nation, or collective, and since it is co-judged along with us, we take a keen interest in it’s activities and God’s reaction to it. As with man, it can be punished and rewarded, has recognized form that it chose to take, as a recognized form that it acts out it’s deeds in and writes them in decrees, can invoke God’s assistance in that form, can invoke anger in God in that form. The entity has a nature. It is joyful in successes, and saddened in lost wars. It accepts rewards in collective form, and the constituent parts, the citizen, will feel the brunt of it’s errors in judgement. So we can see that it does take on a form alteration at times when appropriate, depending on what is to gain or lose. God recognises this form as collective, as a unital form, and so does the Pope, and his action further substantiates our belief of acting out in form, when he recently asked God to forgive the nations.

(Part 2)

 

[AndyF]

Part 2/2

Now back to justice. All through the OT we have proof that the only punitive measures that this entity can ever hope to obtain for the same mortal sins an individual would commit is temporal smiting. Now remember, this is a unital obesrvance by God. What comes next is highly suspect. He breaks the nation up into constituent parts for separate judgement, and judges their life’s accumulation of sins as well as the sins that played in the outcome of the collective sin, but that not to the same weight of grievance, otherwise by default we would find everyone in hell on the bases of that sin alone, and and private revelations of those there would reveal “whole nations”. The sin is not seen as committed under contract, as it would for an individual when an agreement is made to submit to satans’s wishes, therefore an aversion from God or true last end. The contractual element for an individual can only emanate from self, therefore his nature as a unit conveniently places the whole culpability on him, whereas in the nature of collective, we find that God allows the convenience of dispersal of culpability amongst it’s constituents. This does not have to be, but is willed without a bases in reasoning. God simply loves collectives more than individuals, and even though he is offended to no lessor degree, He just doesn’t want to punish the entity more, period.

What I feel is that He should continue to apply judgements to the entity in the form it chose to do the sin. In other words, the form is still collective at celestial judgement. In this way we do not see a repeat of the injustice we see in man’s justice, where groups are given less sever a punishment when the collective crime is committed. A hypothetical case would be where 50 KKK members decide to group to murder someone. Our system would judge the ones who took first hand action in the crime, the remainder would get off with a reprimand or at most a token punishment. This handling is a blight on our current system. One would not expect a repeat in a perfect system. We know that sin of desire still carry the impact of the sin enacted, so that would even reinforce this necessity of consideration.

As a Catholic and with the evidence as it is, I sense the Justice system applied to us is unfair. The clerics will advise that we are to wait for that final day of judgement, trusting to see how fair it was, but that would not be a democratic system that we are told is bound in heaven. Man needs to see a fair system played out now, and until society, that witness for the prosecution at our trial, gets to play defendant at least once, everybody’s trial will be a sham and a travesty to every one sent to hades. Justice should be a seperate element outside the Deposit of the Faith, shown to be a fully working mechanism in our presence, with some of our own species as a say in the outcome. Only then can we may have of possibility of voicing some protest, and prove the substance of the covenant with the Holy Spirit. Those androids we create and I mentioned earlier will expect the same from us. They will question why we are queezy about sending 40 to the recycle bin for the same crime 1 gets prompt meltdown. They will wish to see judgement played out in their lifespan and who’s to blame them.

Until then we carbon based units, conveniently packed for the inferno, will submit to our eternal damnation while this favored entity laughs at our demise at the realization it committed the same sins and got away scot free. Justice?, …More evidence of a Process it would seem.

Andy

 

[Neo_Canaan]

Justice stinks.