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Hello everyone, I am asking this question to the Eastern catholics and Orthodox on this site. What is the eastern understanding of the word justification? Does it mean to make rightous or declare rightous? Is it a transformational process or a forensic event? What did John Chrystosm and the eastern fathers say about this?
 
Hello everyone, I am asking this question to the Eastern Catholics and Orthodox on this site. What is the eastern understanding of the word justification? Does it mean to make righteous or declare righteous? Is it a transformational process or a forensic event? What did John Chrysostom and the eastern fathers say about this?
Is it a transformational process that begins with baptism, the nurturing of the Holy Spirit. Even before the event of baptism God leads us to baptism.

We sing: “All you who have been baptized into Christ have been clothed with Christ. Alleluia!”

Saint Gregory the Theologian:This is our festival, this is the feast we celebrate today, in which God comes to live with human beings, that we may journey toward God, or return—for to speak thus is more exact—that laying aside the old human being we may be clothed with the new, and that as in Adam we have died so we may live in Christ, born with Christ and crucified with Him, buried with Him, and rising with Him. For it is necessary for me to undergo the good turnaround, and as painful things came from more pleasant things, so out of painful things more pleasant things must return. “For where sin abounded, grace superabounded,” and if the taste of forbidden fruit condemned, how much more does the Passion of Christ justify? Therefore we celebrate the feast not like a pagan festival but in a godly manner, not in a worldly way but in a manner above the world. We celebrate not our own concerns but the One who is ours, or rather what concerns our Master, things pertaining not to sickness but to healing, not to the first shaping, but to the reshaping.

Saint John Chrysostom, Baptismal Instruction 3:6: You have seen how numerous are the gifts of baptism. Although many men think that the only gift it confers is the remission of sins, we have counted its honors to the number of ten. It is on this account that we baptize even infants, although they are sinless, that they may be given the further gifts of sanctification, justice, filial adoption, and inheritance, that they may be brothers and members of Christ, and become dwelling places of the Spirit.
Ancient Christian Writers, p. 57

books.google.com/books?id=xC9GAdUGX5sC&pg=PA581&lpg=PA581&dq=ancient+christian+baptismal+instructions&source=bl&ots=BsaK0-HWzv&sig=qzr0ByV4c89cbpTuO1pU7fxjdhI&hl=en&ei=fii_TtbJDM-1tge_75C8Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=ancient%20christian%20baptismal%20instructions&f=false

Mentioned in 3:6:
1 remission of sins
2 sanctification
3 justice
4 filial adoption
5 inheritance
6 brothers of Christ
7 members of Christ
8 dwelling places for the Holy Spirit

Two more mentioned in 12:6:
9 purity of soul
10 kingdom of heaven
 
Is it a transformational process that begins with baptism, the nurturing of the Holy Spirit. Even before the event of baptism God leads us to baptism.

We sing: “All you who have been baptized into Christ have been clothed with Christ. Alleluia!”

Saint Gregory the Theologian:This is our festival, this is the feast we celebrate today, in which God comes to live with human beings, that we may journey toward God, or return—for to speak thus is more exact—that laying aside the old human being we may be clothed with the new, and that as in Adam we have died so we may live in Christ, born with Christ and crucified with Him, buried with Him, and rising with Him. For it is necessary for me to undergo the good turnaround, and as painful things came from more pleasant things, so out of painful things more pleasant things must return. “For where sin abounded, grace superabounded,” and if the taste of forbidden fruit condemned, how much more does the Passion of Christ justify? Therefore we celebrate the feast not like a pagan festival but in a godly manner, not in a worldly way but in a manner above the world. We celebrate not our own concerns but the One who is ours, or rather what concerns our Master, things pertaining not to sickness but to healing, not to the first shaping, but to the reshaping.

Saint John Chrysostom, Baptismal Instruction 3:6: You have seen how numerous are the gifts of baptism. Although many men think that the only gift it confers is the remission of sins, we have counted its honors to the number of ten. It is on this account that we baptize even infants, although they are sinless, that they may be given the further gifts of sanctification, justice, filial adoption, and inheritance, that they may be brothers and members of Christ, and become dwelling places of the Spirit.
Ancient Christian Writers, p. 57

books.google.com/books?id=xC9GAdUGX5sC&pg=PA581&lpg=PA581&dq=ancient+christian+baptismal+instructions&source=bl&ots=BsaK0-HWzv&sig=qzr0ByV4c89cbpTuO1pU7fxjdhI&hl=en&ei=fii_TtbJDM-1tge_75C8Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=ancient%20christian%20baptismal%20instructions&f=false

Mentioned in 3:6:
1 remission of sins
2 sanctification
3 justice
4 filial adoption
5 inheritance
6 brothers of Christ
7 members of Christ
8 dwelling places for the Holy Spirit

Two more mentioned in 12:6:
9 purity of soul
10 kingdom of heaven
Wow … great quotes & insights into early Christendom’s beliefs, practices!!!
 
Are there any Eastern catholics or Orthodox on this board that can anwser this question fom their perspective?
 
Justification is what I have to do every time I spend money on frivolous things.

In all seriousness, Justification isn’t a word that really appears in the Orthodox lexicon, mostly because we don’t have that whole “faith vs. works” debate which was raised in the West.
 
Excerpt from De humiliate, Homily 20, of St. Basil:The Apostle tells us: ‘He that glorieth may glory in the Lord,’ saying: ‘Christ was made for us wisdom of God, justice and sanctification and redemption; that, as it is written: He that glorieth may glory in the Lord.’ 13

Now, this is the perfect and consummate glory in God: not to exult in one’s own justice, but, recognizing oneself as lacking true justice, to be justified by faith in Christ alone. Paul gloried in despising his own justice and in seeking after the justice by faith which is of God through Christ, that he might know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable to His death, 14 so as to attain to the resurrection from the dead. Herewith topples the whole lofty pinnacle of arrogant pride.

Naught, O man, remains for you to boast of, inasmuch as your glory and your hope consist in mortifying yourself in all things and in striving toward the life to come in Christ.
Excerpt from St. John Chrysostom from Homilies on Romans 10:2: We have been freed from punishment, we have put off all wickedness, and we have been reborn from above [John 3:3,5], and we have risen again, with the old man buried [Rom 6:3-4], and we have been redeemed, and we have been sanctified, and we have been given adoption into sonship, and we have been justified [cf. 1 Cor 6:11], and we have been made brothers of the Only-begotten, and we have been constituted joint heirs and concorporeal with Him and have been perfected in His flesh, and have been united to Him as a body to its head. All of this Paul calls an “abundance of grace” [Rom 5:17], showing that what we have received is not just a medicine to counteract the wound, but even health and comeliness and honor and glory and dignities going far beyond what were natural to us.

The Faith of the Early Fathers, Volume 2, by William A. Jurgens.
 
So those two church fathers taught sola fide? It still does not deal with my question becasue Î would like to know if justification is an event or process, make rightous or declare rightous for the eastern church fathers? Did they hold to a transformational or forensic understanding?
 
So those two church fathers taught sola fide? It still does not deal with my question because I would like to know if justification is an event or process, make righteous or declare righteous for the eastern church fathers? Did they hold to a transformational or forensic understanding?
Not sola fide!

We are all born without any personal sin (east or west). Justification is both an event and a process, first there is baptism which is an event. The baptized are then nurtured by the Holy Spirit. From the age of acquisition of reason, then one must live a Christlike life, from the age of acquisition of reason.

An except from St. John Chrysostom Homily on Gospel John 6:49:4. … This blood was ever typified of old in the altars and sacrifices of righteous men, This is the price of the world, by This Christ purchased to Himself the Church, by This He has adorned Her all. For as a man buying servants gives gold for them, and again when he desires to deck them out does this also with gold; so Christ has purchased us with His blood, and adorned us with His blood. They who share this blood stand with Angels and Archangels and the Powers that are above, clothed in Christ’s own kingly robe, and having the armor of the Spirit. Nay, I have not as yet said any great thing: they are clothed with the King Himself.

Now as this is a great and wonderful thing, so if you approach it with pureness, you approach for salvation; but if with an evil conscience, for punishment and vengeance. For, It says, he that eats and drinks unworthily of the Lord, eats and drinks judgment to himself 1 Corinthians 11:29; since if they who defile the kingly purple are punished equally with those who rend it, it is not unreasonable that they who receive the Body with unclean thoughts should suffer the same punishment as those who rent it with the nails.
 
Di Chrystosm understand the word “To justify” to mean to declare rightous or make rightous? I know Augustine thought it meant to make rightous but others say that he relied on a faulty latin translation of the word. So i am curious of what the Greek fathers thought the word meant.
 
Di Chrystosm understand the word “To justify” to mean to declare rightous or make rightous? I know Augustine thought it meant to make rightous but others say that he relied on a faulty latin translation of the word. So i am curious of what the Greek fathers thought the word meant.
Saint John Chrysostom:Ver. 4. “That the righteousness [1406] of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh.”

What meaneth this word, righteousness? Why, the end, the scope, the well-doing. For what was its design, and what did it enjoin? To be without sin. This then is made good to us (katorthotai hemhin) now through Christ. And the making a stand against it, and the getting the better of it, came from Him. But it is for us to enjoy the victory. Then shall we never sin henceforth? We never shall unless we have become exceedingly relaxed and supine. And this is why he added, “to them that walk not after the flesh.” For lest, after hearing that Christ hath delivered thee from the war of sin, and that the requisition (dikaioma) of the Law is fulfilled in thee, by sin having been “condemned in the flesh,” thou shouldest break up all thy defences; therefore, in that place also, after saying, “there is therefore no condemnation,” he added, “to them that walk not after the flesh;” and here also, “that the requisition of the Law might be fulfilled in us,” he proceeds with the very same thing; or rather, not with it only, but even with a much stronger thing. [1407] For after saying, “that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us that walk not after the flesh,” he proceeds, “but after the Spirit.” So showing, that it is not only binding upon us to keep ourselves from evil deeds, but also to be adorned (komhan) with good. For to give thee the crown is His; but it is thine to hold it fast when given. For the righteousness of the Law, that one should not become liable to its curse, Christ has accomplished for thee. Be not a traitor then to so great a gift, but keep guarding this goodly treasure. For in this passage he shows that the Font will not suffice to save us, unless, after coming from it, we display a life worthy of the Gift. And so he again advocates the Law in saying what he does. For when we have once become obedient to Christ, we must use all ways and plans so that its righteousness, which Christ fulfilled, may abide in us, and not come to naught.

Ver. 21. “But now the righteousness of God without the Law is manifested.” [1273]

Here he utters a great thing, and such as needed much proof. For if they that lived in the Law not only did not escape punishment, but were even the more weighed down thereby, how without the Law is it possible not only to escape vengeance, but even to be justified? For he has here set down two high points, [1274] the being justified, and the obtaining these blessings, without the Law. And this is why he does not say righteousness simply, but the righteousness of God, so by the worthiness of the Person displaying the greater degree of the grace, and the possibility of the promise. For to Him all things are possible. And he does not say, “was given,” but “is manifested,” so cutting away the accusation of novelty. For that which is manifested, is so as being old, but concealed. And it is not this only, but the sequel that shows that this is no recent thing. For after saying, “is manifested,” he proceeds:

“Being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets.”

Do not be troubled, he means, because it has but now been given, nor be affrighted as though at a thing new and strange. For of old both the Law and the Prophets foretold it.
St. John Chrysostom said in Homilies on Romans 6, on 3:4:What does the word justified mean? That, if there could be a trial and an examination of the things He had done for the Jews, and of what had been done on their part towards Him, the victory would be with God, and all the right on His side.
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf111.txt
 
Almost all new testament scholars interpert to justify to declare just. How do eastern orthodox theologians understand the word? Declare or make rightous? What is the eastern scholarship on this?
 
Almost all new testament scholars interpert to justify to declare just. How do eastern orthodox theologians understand the word? Declare or make rightous? What is the eastern scholarship on this?
I can’t see how someone really can say that we don’t really become righteous but are only declared…last I checked it was Christ’s righteousness working in through us…if we become Christ’s…we become righteous!
 
The word is used during Orthodox baptisms.

Despite what others say, “imputation” indeed exists in some sense in the East, though not as prominently. All of the graces of baptism are in some way “imputed”.

I think the best way to understand justification from an Orthodox standpoint would be the process of “being made just”. So it’s not just that God looks at you and declares you as something you are not, but rather you are becoming what is is to be just. Just my two uninformed cents.
 
If you are willing to spring for the $6.00, you may find of interest this Orthodox response to the Joint Declaration: Lucien Turcescu, “Soteriological Issues.”

It’s unfortunate, but Orthodox theologians simply have not given a lot of thought to the question of how to integrate justification and theosis, nor have I been able to find anyone who has published a scholarly paper on the views of St John Chrysostom on justification. Patristic scholars and Eastern theologians take note–here are two area ripe for scholarly research and reflection.
 
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