JW Question - Does Hell exist?

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I was recently given the November Watchtower. The lead article is “Six Myths About Christianity” where the second myth is “the wicked suffer in Hell” where the Jehovah Witness response is “God does not punish people in hell.”

Do Jehovah Witnesses believe in Sheol or Gehenna or any form of Hell?
 
In short, no they don’t. They believe that the wicked simply cease to exist.
 
In short, no they don’t. They believe that the wicked simply cease to exist.
Well that’s what their little pamphlet hints at that but they reference Sheol.

I am assuming the are talking about the location opposite of Abraham’s Bosom but I just don’t understand how they account for things like Mark 9:43-48, which even a conservative interpretation reads the location as a different spot.
 
here’s what wikipedia says they believe about death:

"For Jehovah’s Witnesses, death is a state of non-existence with no consciousness. There is no Hell of fiery torment; Hades and Sheol are understood to refer to the condition of death, termed the common grave.

Jehovah’s Witnesses consider the body and the soul to be the same living being that expires.

Their hope for life after death involves being resurrected by God, either with a new body on earth after Armageddon, or to heaven for the limited number of 144,000."

Tha 144,000 sure seems like a low number, but hey, Jesus did say narrow the gate.
 
here’s what wikipedia says they believe about death:

"For Jehovah’s Witnesses, death is a state of non-existence with no consciousness. There is no Hell of fiery torment; Hades and Sheol are understood to refer to the condition of death, termed the common grave.

Jehovah’s Witnesses consider the body and the soul to be the same living being that expires.

Their hope for life after death involves being resurrected by God, either with a new body on earth after Armageddon, or to heaven for the limited number of 144,000."

Tha 144,000 sure seems like a low number, but hey, Jesus did say narrow the gate.
Well, I think even now, the contemporary JW does not expect to be one of the 144,000. I think now they are trying to be one of the “good people” to inherit the earth. I’m just confused because their same “Six Myth About Christianity” article says the soul is not immortal, but there is no reference to the 144,000 and it doesn’t reference the inheriting people (which would seem to be the JW). Which means their inheritance isn’t forever?

Then it also says there is no such thing as Hell.

The whole thing seems a bit contrary to the Bible (which they seem to use). It just made me wonder what they said about Jesus’s words. While I think the concept of hell has often used as a tool to mold society’s behavior, I also believe Jesus when he says that it exists.
 
Well, I think even now, the contemporary JW does not expect to be one of the 144,000. I think now they are trying to be one of the “good people” to inherit the earth. I’m just confused because their same “Six Myth About Christianity” article says the soul is not immortal, but there is no reference to the 144,000 and it doesn’t reference the inheriting people (which would seem to be the JW). Which means their inheritance isn’t forever?

Then it also says there is no such thing as Hell.

The whole thing seems a bit contrary to the Bible (which they seem to use). It just made me wonder what they said about Jesus’s words. While I think the concept of hell has often used as a tool to mold society’s behavior, I also believe Jesus when he says that it exists.
I’m not sure what the concept of hell was when Jesus walked the earth. He descended into hell after he died and I believe he raised some people from there. I don’t think it was a place of punishment, just the absense of heaven and life on earth.
 
I’m not sure what the concept of hell was when Jesus walked the earth. He descended into hell after he died and I believe he raised some people from there. I don’t think it was a place of punishment, just the absense of heaven and life on earth.
Well one of the references Jesus makes is Mark 9:43-48 and that is a Gehenna style reference. The other representation is a Sheol reference and that is the area across the chasm from Abraham’s Bosom. You are likely referencing Sheol.
 
JWs do not believe in Hell. They refer to Sheoul as being the “common grave” and they ignore a lot of scripture in doing this.

JWs come up with the number 144,000 from grossly misreading Revelations which speaks of 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel being saved. The rest can only hope for bodily resurrection living on a paradise earth. The amazing thing is the 144000 are supposed to know their annoinment BEFORE they die. Only the “annointed” can eat the bread and drink the wine at their once a year communion service…just over 8000 do so each year.
 
JWs do not believe in Hell. They refer to Sheoul as being the “common grave” and they ignore a lot of scripture in doing this.

JWs come up with the number 144,000 from grossly misreading Revelations which speaks of 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel being saved. The rest can only hope for bodily resurrection living on a paradise earth. The amazing thing is the 144000 are supposed to know their annoinment BEFORE they die. Only the “annointed” can eat the bread and drink the wine at their once a year communion service…just over 8000 do so each year.
And the “anointed” claim themselves to be anointed. They can become anointed or not as they please. I found that tidbit interesting.

Jeanne
 
JWs do not believe in Hell. They refer to Sheoul as being the “common grave” and they ignore a lot of scripture in doing this.

JWs come up with the number 144,000 from grossly misreading Revelations which speaks of 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel being saved. The rest can only hope for bodily resurrection living on a paradise earth. The amazing thing is the 144000 are supposed to know their annoinment BEFORE they die. Only the “annointed” can eat the bread and drink the wine at their once a year communion service…just over 8000 do so each year.
It is funny this thread has been revived because since posting I have had a series of meetings with some JWs. I asked them the same question and their basic response is, Sheol is the grave. Gehenna is (as its namesake) is a place to burn away the refuse. They did not want to commit to the “lake of fire” being a permanent hell-like place. They also did not want to commit to the “lake of fire” being Gehenna or hell.

I think the interesting part was, they definitely want to acknowledge a hell like place, but their “Hell Doesn’t Exist” myth seems to be geared more toward a Catholicism slam. We had a little discussion about Abraham’s Bosom in the Parable of the Rich Man & Lazarus and they wanted nothing more than to say Sheol (or the grave) is a blink of the eye time. They also could not explain or didn’t so I understood their point about what Jesus meant when talking to the thief on the cross when he said, “today you will be will be in paradise.”

The obvious contradiction is, if Abraham’s Bosom (paradise) exists then so does Sheol (hell).

I think the other interesting thing I learned was, they believe the 144,000 will be the kings and queens of the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth. That these will be the rulers of Jesus’s government. The irony is the JW don’t participate in any form of Earthly Government practices now. They don’t vote. They don’t run for office. I didn’t ask if they took government checks.
 
I know for sure that JW’s who post on this forum can legally write down their time.
Hold on. I thought this was a joke more than anything, but it does raise a question: Do they keep record of their time?
 
Hold on. I thought this was a joke more than anything, but it does raise a question: Do they keep record of their time?
Yes, they do keep track of their time.
It is called a monthly “Field Service Report”. Every “Publisher” (that is what they call those that go door to door, even children) is required (by peer pressure because “every publisher does it”) to fill one out each and every month.
All this data is collected and sent to the headquarters in N.Y every month. It is done this way worldwide.
You are expected to put in about 10 hours a month in the door to door work thogh it is not a requirement.
 
I have to admit to having an issue with the helfire deal. I did when I was a Catholic, and now that I am back as a Catholic I still have an issue wiht it being this eternal fiery torment where souls burn for eternity.
It goes against the very nature of God who it the epitome of LOVE.
“God IS LOVE…”

I guess I’ll need to put forth the effort to study the subject matter further.
Not being blessed with eternal life seems to be Hell IMO.
 
I have to admit to having an issue with the helfire deal. I did when I was a Catholic, and now that I am back as a Catholic I still have an issue wiht it being this eternal fiery torment where souls burn for eternity.
It goes against the very nature of God who it the epitome of LOVE.
“God IS LOVE…”

I guess I’ll need to put forth the effort to study the subject matter further.
Not being blessed with eternal life seems to be Hell IMO.
Vasian,
See if this helps…God is INDEED Love. He loves us so much that he respects out decisions. If we decide in life we don’t want to be with God then he respects that choice. Ergo, Hell…which is the absence of God. Dismiss pictures of devils with pitchforks torturing sinners…the devils are in hell same as sinners…not lording it over them. Here’s the kicker…those in hell…even in hell…prefer to be there…they don’t WANT to be with God. This hell isn’t a hell of fire…but of burning remorse and loneliness of the sinners own making…but again…those in hell prefer to be there as oppossed to being with God.
 
Vasian,
See if this helps…God is INDEED Love. He loves us so much that he respects out decisions. If we decide in life we don’t want to be with God then he respects that choice. Ergo, Hell…which is the absence of God. Dismiss pictures of devils with pitchforks torturing sinners…the devils are in hell same as sinners…not lording it over them. Here’s the kicker…those in hell…even in hell…prefer to be there…they don’t WANT to be with God. This hell isn’t a hell of fire…but of burning remorse and loneliness of the sinners own making…but again…those in hell prefer to be there as oppossed to being with God.
That, I can beleive!👍👍
thank you
 
I’m not sure what the concept of hell was when Jesus walked the earth. He descended into hell after he died and I believe he raised some people from there. I don’t think it was a place of punishment, just the absense of heaven and life on earth.
Lets try to reference if there was an early interpretation of a hell of eternal tortures from the Bible and early Christian Documents.

BIBLE:

Isaiah 66:23-24 (New International Version)


23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD. 24 “And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

Mark 9:47-49 (New International Version)

47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where
" ‘their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.’[a] 49Everyone will be salted with fire.

Revelation 20 (New International Version)

Satan’s Doom

7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Who are the Beast and The False Profit? Any chance either of these refer to people, not spiritual beings? It is specifically referring to SATAN, THE BEAST, and THE FALSE PROFIT. 3 separate and different beings, all being tortured forever and ever.

Revelation 20 (New International Version)

The Dead Are Judged

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

People are thrown into the Lake of Fire, What happens in the Lake of fire? What do we know about it? We know that Satan, The False Profit, and the Beast are all in the Lake of fire, where they are tortured forever and ever… We can only assume what happens to the others thrown in there…

Lets look at a very early Aprocryphal document called The Apocalypse of Peter:

The Muratorian Cannon - Estimated Range of Dating: 170-200 C.E.

“…and several others (66) which cannot be received into the catholic Church (67)— for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. (68) Moreover, the epistle of Jude and two of the above-mentioned (or, bearing the name of) John are counted (or, used) in the catholic [Church]; [7] and [the book of] Wisdom, (70) written by the friends [7a] of Solomon in his honour. (71) We receive only the apocalypses of John and Peter, (72) [7b] though some of us are not willing that the latter be read in church…”
 
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