JW's state that Jesus is the Archangel Michael?

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Here is the definition of Michael, the name, “Who is like God”, that’s what the name means. The Mighty Jesus would deserve the satisfaction and liberty of hurling the evil satan from Heaven, not Michael who only comes up a few times in the Bible.

Michael, the Archangel comes up in Revelation 12:7 that uses symbolism and refers to Jesus in several different references (Lamp of God ect.) in addition to his name. Daniel Chapter 12:1 ties to the OT reference to Michael (the Archangel) as the “Great Prince” and Revelation using symbolism that Jesus (“Prince of Princes” referred is some songs)) is actually Michael.
 
**Jesus is not an angel, “arch”, or otherwise: **

Hebrews 1:5-6 For to which of the angels did he ever say “You are my son, today I have begotten you?” And again , “I will be a father to Him, and He shall be a Son to me”? And when again he brings the firstborn into the world, He says, " And let all the angels of God worship Him."
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Hebrews 1:13 **But to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”?

The WT Society has flip/flopped on this:
The Watchtower 1879 November 11, page 48 says:

"Hence it is said, “Let all the angels of God worship him;” [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence **Michael is not the Son of God] "

(Here is a place where Watchtower teachings can be compared with Watchtower teachings: quotes.watchtower.ca/)
 
Jude 1:9

But when Mi´cha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.”
(NWT)

Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”
(NAB)

Michael has no authority against Satan.
 
From what I gather one of their justifications is how they interpret 1 Thes 4:16:

Their reasoning is this: they identify both “the Lord” and the “archangel” in this verse as the same person. They further believe that since Michael is the only one in the Bible identified as an archangel (Jude 1:9), there are no others: he’s the only one. Ergo, Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Sounds dopey, but there you go. :whacky:

Of course this breaks down since to call something “the” doesn’t mean there can’t be another of the same thing. For example to refer the Forest Service mascot as “Smokey *the * Bear” doesn’t imply that there are no other bears.

Now as to why, one can only guess it is because they have a pre-supposition that Jesus is not God and here’s how you “prove” it. :rolleyes:
If the Lord is identified as an archangel in 1 Thes. 4:16, why don’t they identifiy the Lord as a trumpet as well?
 
So I heard a Jehovah’s Witness say that they believe Jesus is also the Archangel Michael, but totally could not explain it. Any here care to try and explain that one? Boggles my mind.
Hi
I would request my Christian friends , whatever their denominations, please let JesusYeshuaIssa remain a human being, please don’t make him anything bigger than that which he never was. This might be a service to mumanity! We are looking for peaceful men, rare to find.
I love Jesus and Mary.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
 
Hi
I would request my Christian friends , whatever their denominations, please let JesusYeshuaIssa remain a human being, please don’t make him anything bigger than that which he never was. This might be a service to mumanity! We are looking for peaceful men, rare to find.
I love Jesus and Mary.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
Why would you request something that goes against our faith?
Jesus IS God and He is also human. That is our belief why would you request us not to believe the truth?
 
Here’s some information on your questions, straight from the source:

From the 2002 Awake Magazine

The Bible’s Viewpoint
Who Is Michael the Archangel?

ACCORDING to the Bible, there are millions of angelic creatures inhabiting the spirit realm. (Daniel 7:9, 10; Revelation 5:11) From beginning to end, the Scriptures make hundreds of references to the angels that remain loyal to God. Yet, only two of these spirit creatures are mentioned by name. One is the angel Gabriel, who personally delivered messages from God to three different individuals over a period of some 600 years. (Daniel 9:20-22; Luke 1:8-19, 26-28) The other angel mentioned by name in the Bible is Michael.

Michael is clearly an outstanding angel. For example, in the book of Daniel, Michael is described as fighting wicked demons in behalf of Jehovah’s people. (Daniel 10:13; 12:1) In the inspired letter of Jude, Michael confronts Satan in a dispute over Moses’ body. (Jude 9) The book of Revelation shows that Michael wars with Satan and his demons and hurls them out of heaven. (Revelation 12:7-9) No other angel is portrayed as having such great power and authority over God’s enemies. It is no wonder, then, that the Bible appropriately refers to Michael as “the archangel,” the prefix “arch” meaning “chief,” or “principal.”

The Controversy Over Michael’s Identity
Christendom’s religions, as well as Judaism and Islam, have conflicting ideas on the subject of angels. Some explanations are vague. For instance, The Anchor Bible Dictionary states: “There may be a single superior angel and/or a small group of archangels (usually four or seven).” According to The Imperial Bible-Dictionary, Michael is the “name of a superhuman being, in regard to whom there have in general been two rival opinions, either that he is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or that he is one of the so-called seven archangels.”

In Jewish tradition these seven archangels are Gabriel, Jeremiel, Michael, Raguel, Raphael, Sariel, and Uriel. On the other hand, Islam believes in four archangels, namely, Jibril, Mikal, Izrail, and Israfil. Catholicism also believes in four archangels: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel. What does the Bible say? Are there several archangels?

The Bible’s Answer

Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term “archangel” in the plural. The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ. (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31) The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel. In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16) In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.” Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

While on earth as a human, Jesus performed several resurrections. In doing so, he used his voice to utter commanding calls. For example, when resurrecting the dead son of a widow in the city of Nain , he said: “Young man, I say to you, Get up!” (Luke 7:14, 15) Later, just before resurrecting his friend Lazarus, Jesus “cried out with a loud voice: ‘Lazarus, come on out!’” (John 11:43) But on these occasions, Jesus’ voice was the voice of a perfect man.

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a “superior position” in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for “those who are dead in union with Christ” to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued “a commanding call,” this time “with an archangel’s voice.” It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.”
Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.

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And a 2nd article, straight from the source:

From the JW Bible Encyclopeida “Insight on the Scriptures”

(Mi´cha·el) [Who Is Like God?].
  1. The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia .” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”—Jude 9.
Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.

There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon.—Re 11:15; 16:14-16.

The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels.

In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (Joh 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Ac 9:5), “the Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or name) “The Word of God” (Re 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal, and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator
 
And none of the apostles called him Michael…:rolleyes: Did his mother call him this? …:rolleyes:
Who gave him this name? Did anyone tell Jesus his name was Michael?
:confused:
 
And a 2nd article, straight from the source:

From the JW Bible Encyclopeida “Insight on the Scriptures”

(Mi´cha·el) [Who Is Like God?].
  1. The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia .” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”—Jude 9.
If Michael is only “one of the foremost princes,” he is not the only foremost prince. Why would there not be other archangels, who are also foremost princes? Michael is the guardian angel of Israel only.

Nowhere in Scripture is Jesus called an angel or Michael. In Rev., John knew the difference between the two. When he wants to refer to Jesus, he names him so and when he refers to Michael, he does the same. Jesus is Jesus and Michael is Michael.
 
BibleSteve;2302849:
And a 2nd article, straight from the source:

From the JW Bible Encyclopeida “Insight on the Scriptures”

(Mi´cha·el) [Who Is Like God?].
  1. The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia .” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”—Jude 9.
If Michael is only “one of the foremost princes,” he is not the only foremost prince. Why would there not be other archangels, who are also foremost princes? Michael is the guardian angel of Israel only.

Nowhere in Scripture is Jesus called an angel or Michael. In Rev., John knew the difference between the two. When he wants to refer to Jesus, he names him so and when he refers to Michael, he does the same. Jesus is Jesus and Michael is Michael.
Since Jesus created the angels (including seraphim, cherubim and archangels) according to John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17, how could he be one of the angels or creatures created? He is not on the same plane as angels, but clearly superior to them according to Heb. 1.
 
Also, remember that JWs believe that Michael the Archangel is The Word who created all things on Jehovah’s orders. That means that Michael created the Angel who later fell and became the Devil.

Now, we read in scripture that when Michael the Archangel was disputing with the Devil over the body of Moses, he (Michael) did not DARE bring a harsh accusation against him (against the Devil) but said, May the LORD (Jehovah) rebuke you !!

Now people, let’s get real here. All things were created for Michael? And Michael created all the other angels,
and they were subordinate to him as God’s only “son,” in other words he was their boss as well as their creator, and yet Michael would not “dare” bring a harsh accusation against the Devil?
That would not be the case if Michael was the creator of all the other angels including the angel who became the devil.
When have you ever heard of a case where a genuine superior over another would not “dare” bring a strong accusation against his clear INFERIOR? The only way that Michael would not DARE bring such an accusation against the Devil would be IF the devil was originally of equal rank with Michael or of greater rank. Then Michael’s refusal to rebuke him, and instead let Jehovah rebuke the Devil, makes sense. and only then.
 
Claude Kenneson;2303440:
Since Jesus created the angels (including seraphim, cherubim and archangels) according to John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17, how could he be one of the angels or creatures created? He is not on the same plane as angels, but clearly superior to them according to Heb. 1.
Would this mean that like mormons, the JW’s put Jesus on the same level as any other angel, fallen or otherwise? Like Satan?
 
What The Watchtower Society Believes about Jesus and Michael

The Watchtower Society, in scores of it’s publications, teaches that there was NO incarnation of Michael as Jesus.
What they teach, by contrast, is that Jehovah God took the
“life force” of Michael, and not Michael Himself, and transferred that “life force” of Michael’s into the womb of the virgin Mary.
If any of you don’t believe me, write a letter to Watchtower Headquarters in Brooklyn. They will gladly confirm what I have just said.
Next, they believe that Jesus was ONLY a man. Not an incarnation of the Archangel Michael, but ONLY a man.
A “perfect man,” to be sure. A sinless man, to be sure.
But still, ONLY a man.
Then when Jesus died on Calvary hill,
his body (having no soul, no spirit and no divinity) was dead.
(( we also believe his body was dead )). JWs believe that when his body died, the person Jesus went OUT OF EXISTENCE and remained totally OUT OF EXISTENCE for three days.
THEN, on the third day, God “resurrected” him. But what they mean by this is that God recreated the Archangel Michael in all his glory.

Now stop and think about this belief.
When you take a person’s life force out of him, you kill the person. That means that for 33 and a half years, while Jesus was living on earth by Michael’s life-force, Michael himself was out of existence since Jesus was NOT an “incarnation” of Michael.
There’s no way around this: for 33 and a half years, the Archangel Michael went completely out of existence.

The life force of Michael, transferred by Jehovah into the womb of Mary, caused the conception and birth of Jesus, who was NOT Michael Incarnate, but ONLY a perfect sinless man.

Then Jesus the man was killed and went completely out of existence for three days.

Then God vaporised or otherwise dissolved the body of the man Jesus, and recreated the Archangel Michael.
This they call “the resurrection of Jesus as the mighty spirit being Michael.”

Please ponder this. Let it’s strange logic penetrate your mind.
All this can mean only ONE thing, logically.
Namely, that there is NO CONTINUITY OF PERSON between Michael and the man Jesus. Remember, Jesus only had Michael’s life force in him, he was not Michael incarnate, so where was Michael for 33 and a half years? He was dead. There is no logical way around this, and the man Jesus was not Michael. Then the man Jesus died, and God got rid of the body and put Michael’s life force back into Michael, recreating him as a mighty spirit creature. How in God’s name can JWs believe that the man Jesus, a totally separate being from Michael, was raised to life as the glorious Archangel Michael, when they are clearly not the same person, Michael did not incarnate as Jesus, and Jesus the man is forever dead and Michael was recreated in his place?

Please stop and ponder all this. Most JWs don’t even realize the implications of the JW Leaders’ denial of the Incarnation.

In the Catholic view by contrast, and supported by scripture, the Eternal Word of God BECAME FLESH without ceasing to be the same person. In other words, the Word INCARNATED. There is continuity of person between the Word and Jesus in the Catholic view.

Jehovah’s Witness leaders in Brooklyn teach that there WAS NO incarnation. Don’t believe me? Write them and ask them.

God bless,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Claude Kenneson;2303468:
Would this mean that like mormons, the JW’s put Jesus on the same level as any other angel, fallen or otherwise? Like Satan?
No, they say that Michael (Jesus) is the archangel, the chief of the angels, the top angel, so to speak. But how can an archangel create anything? He would still be on the level of a creature. Nowhere is it said that an archangel created anything. Only God can create.
 
Hellisreal;2303491:
No, they say that Michael (Jesus) is the archangel, the chief of the angels, the top angel, so to speak. But how can an archangel create anything? He would still be on the level of a creature. Nowhere is it said that an archangel created anything. Only God can create.
So, they dont think Gabriel was an Archangel?:confused:
 
No they don’t believe that Gabriel is an ARCHangel.
They believe he is an angel. In Luke’s infancy narrative,
Luke uses the words, “the angel Gabriel was sent to a virgin…”
and JWs conclude from that that Gabriel is an angel of a lower rank than Archangel. But that does not necessarily follow !!

Never mind that ALL of Jewish tradition names Gabriel as an
ARCHangel, and all Christian tradition does too, that’s just too bad, to heck with the ancient Jews, to heck with all of historic Christianity, if the guys that run the show in Brooklyn say that the angel Gabriel was not an ARCHangel, then JWs believe he was not an Archangel.

In the book of Daniel, Michael is referred to as only
ONE OF the Chief Princes, not THE Chief Prince.
Scripture and all oral tradition, Jewish and Christian,
is on our side. Gabriel too is an angel of the order of ARCHangel.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Why wouldnt Jesus ask us to call him Michael if he was Micheal? Why would Jesus be put to death for being an angel? The charge of Blasphemy was clear. Jesus was claiming to be God. The Sanhedren (sp?) knew he was speaking with the authority only God could speak with, therefore the charges!
 
hellisreal,
your comments are excellent.
Jews do not stone people for claiming to be thousands of years old. They might would have shipped him off to the Funny-Farm, but they wouldn’t have stoned him. They knew he didn’t say, I have been (as the watctower’s NWT bible mistranslates it), but
rather, I AM, and right in the context of speaking God’s friend Abraham and right in the Temple area to boot. They knew what he meant, and he knew they knew, and he never tried to correct them. The root of the word Jehovah is I AM for crying out loud. He was applying to himself the Divine name and attributes, and they knew it, hence the attempt to stone him.

And you are right, they definitely had no pretext in the
Law to stone Angels or to stone people claiming to be an Angel.

God bless you,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
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