Katniss vs Joan

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I like the books too, but this did help me put a finger on an aspect I did not like. I liked Katniss in books 1 and 2 but did not like her in 3. I think I could have, but I also really disliked the pacing in 3. The part where she actually grows up a bit isn’t on the pages - just more confusion and despair. Which may be how it works for a lot of us in real life - but not good storytelling, IMO.

That might actually be my problem with the whole series - the plot is good, the themes are fascinating, the characters are interesting - but the writing really is not very good, and weird stuff is emphasized due to the style.
 
I like the books too, but this did help me put a finger on an aspect I did not like. I liked Katniss in books 1 and 2 but did not like her in 3. I think I could have, but I also really disliked the pacing in 3. The part where she actually grows up a bit isn’t on the pages - just more confusion and despair. Which may be how it works for a lot of us in real life - but not good storytelling, IMO.

That might actually be my problem with the whole series - the plot is good, the themes are fascinating, the characters are interesting - but the writing really is not very good, and weird stuff is emphasized due to the style.
The plot would explain the hype, and the writing might explain why I feel The Hunger Games are overrated.
 
I’ve only read Mockingjay and thought it was poorly written and uninspiring.
I’m seeing an increase in dystopian literature for children (The Maze Runner) and find it nihilistic.
I much prefer Saint Joan who looks beyond the limitations and challenges of our world and holds herself accountable to Our Lord.
 
I read the three books because they were an easy and fast paced read. As I was reading I kept thinking, “this reads like it was written for the movies.” I didn’t really give it a lot of thought. But I did watch the first three movies on TV. Now the 4th one is out, but it seems to me that it should have been just three movies, not four. Part 1 of Catching Fire seemed to drag on a bit.

I don’t like the trend of dystopian novels for young people. It just seems depressing. Maybe that’s why so many of them have a negative outlook on life.

Now, I’m going to have to read Mark Twain’s book on Joan of Arc. He considered it his best book, and from what I’ve heard, it’s not anti-religion, even though Twain himself was not religious.
 
His book is available online:
legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/conte-joanofarc.asp
Twain had a deep appreciation for her, evidenced in the preface:
"To arrive at a just estimate of a renowned man’s character one must judge it by the standards of his time, not ours. Judged by the standards of one century, the noblest characters of an earlier one lose much of their lustre; judged by the standards of today, there is probably no illustrious man of four or five centuries ago whose character could meet the test at all points. But the character of Joan of Arc is unique. It can be measured by the standards of all times without misgiving or apprehension as to the result. Judged by any of them, judged by all of them, it is still flawless, it is still ideally perfect; it still occupies the loftiest place possible to human attainment, a loftier one than has been reached by any other mere mortal.

When we reflect that her century was the brutallest, the wickedest, the rottenest in history since the darkest ages, we are lost in wonder at the miracle of such a product from such a soil. The contrast between her and her century is the contrast between day and night. She was truthful when lying was the common speech of men; she was honest when honesty was become a lost virtue; she was a keeper of promises when the keeping of a promise was expected of no one; she gave her great mind to great thoughts and great purposes when other great minds wasted themselves upon pretty fancies or upon poor ambitions; she was modest and fine and delicate when to be loud and course might be said to be universal; she was full of pity when a merciless cruelty was the rule; she was steadfast when stability was unknown, and honourable in an age which had forgotten what honour was; she was a rock of convictions in a time when men believed in nothing and scoffed at all things; she was unfailingly true in an age that was false to the core; she maintained her personal dignity unimpaired in an age of fawnings and servilities; she was of a dauntless courage when hope and courage had perished in the hearts of her nation; she was spotlessly pure in mind and body when society in the highest places was foul in both - she was all these things in an age when crime was the common business of lords and princes, and when the highest personages in Christendom were able to astonish even that infamous era and make it stand aghast at the spectacle of their atrocious lives black with unimaginable treacheries, butcheries, and bestialities.

She was perhaps the only entirely unselfish person whose name has a place in profane history. No vestige or suggestion of self-seeking can be found in any word or deed of hers. When she had rescued her King from his vagabondage, and set his crown upon his head, she was offered rewards and honours, but she refused them all, and would take nothing. All she would take for herself - if the King would grant it - was leave to go back to her village home, and tend her sheep again, and feel her mother’s arms about her, and be her housemaid and helper. The selfishness of this unspoiled general of victorious armies, companion of princes, and idol of an applauding and grateful nation, reached but that far and no farther."
 
May my love for Katniss deepen my devotion to St. Joan of Arc.
 
I don’t like the trend of dystopian novels for young people. It just seems depressing. Maybe that’s why so many of them have a negative outlook on life.
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I wonder if the reception to these dystopian books are in response to the what’s happening in society. Maybe the reason John Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath and Of Mice and Men were successful; those books were written in the Depression, I believe. Perhaps his books were popular because people were losing hope about a better life. Today, there seems to be that hopelessness too which would explain the positive reception to these dystopian novels.
 
I wonder if the reception to these dystopian books are in response to the what’s happening in society. Maybe the reason John Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath and Of Mice and Men were successful; those books were written in the Depression, I believe. Perhaps his books were popular because people were losing hope about a better life. Today, there seems to be that hopelessness too which would explain the positive reception to these dystopian novels.
The point of dystopian novels, in my opinion, is to show what can happen if an aspect of present day life is carried too far, and show a way of escape from the situation.

I’d like to mention my dystopian novels, which are based on a Catholic Christian worldview, and emphasize the value of human life without being pushy about it.
If anyone wants to read them for review, I’d be happy to send a mobi file or a gift coupon for Amazon Kindle. Reviews would be helpful, even negative ones.
You could send me a private message.

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