Katy Perry says she 'prayed the gay away' as a youth

[Goldenhope]

Without getting into those particulars, let me offer the following straightforward statement from the website “Spiritual Friendship”:

Yesterday Joseph Nicolosi, who played a prominent role in promoting reparative therapy, passed away unexpectedly from complications from the flu. Although Spiritual Friendship exists in large part to provide an alternative to Dr. Nicolosi’s approach, we join in praying for the repose of his soul and for those who were close to him, that they may find consolation in this difficult time.

Eternal rest grant onto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him.

Edit: And as with most issues, I think there are inevitably some statements (usually made anonymously on the internet) from both sides that are best ignored. As someone said, fighting fire with fire leads to a world ablaze.

Of course. He did both bad AND good things.
The Almighty shall judge what matters more in His judgement.

 

[Maxirad]

Yesterday Joseph Nicolosi, who played a prominent role in promoting reparative therapy, passed away unexpectedly from complications from the flu.

Can someone on CAF please tell me what is wrong with reparative therapy when it comes to homosexuality?

 

[ShrodingersCat]

Can someone on CAF please tell me what is wrong with reparative therapy when it comes to homosexuality?

It’s not supported by science and is generally associated with religious groups who try to convert gays to being straight with no knowledge of what they are doing.

In theory, there is nothing wrong with therapy for someone who struggles with being gay and wants to be straight. The problem is with therapists who insist they can cure them. It’s possible, as some mentioned in earlier posts, that a trauma could cause one to think one was homosexual. Therapy is very important in any trauma scenario. But I think it’s fairly obvious that you cannot p(name removed by moderator)oint why everyone is homosexual and conversion therapy ultimately does a disservice to those who can’t change to being heterosexual but really want to.

So in short, it’s more a problem with the assurances and credibility of the practitioners than with the actual concept. It’s very possible that some good therapists get a bad name from the dodgy ones. I don’t know anything about NARTH or this doctor so I pass no comment on them.

That’s my take on it anyway.

 

[Fiasco]

Agreed. The more I look around about this guy, the worse it gets.
His claims range from baffling to thinly veiled homophobia.

Actually deep respect and concern for those suffering from SSA.

Because HE said it. It is up to the actual patients of the therapy to decide wether it works or not.

Cured patients have also said it, but they probably don’t count because they’ve been brainwashed.

That’s laughably proposterous…

Deal with later.

Gay “gene” may not exist, but this is up to scientific evidence.

**And again THAT"S WHAT NICOLOSI, HIMSELF, IMPLIED **(on that video)!

Yeah, but a number of his opposers come from the scientific community. Which I think have a bigger weight than your average Joe.

i’m not quite an average Joe.** By using my God-given intellect, i can imagine what could happen.** Seems like you can’t. (To be continued, due to character limit.)

Of course I do. Unlike many, I do not see people in a “black and white” fashion…

Can’t you decide which he is?

And that’s exactly why I was commending Nicolosi - because he helped those who suffered traumas similar to yours get over it I attacked him because he ALSO had the pretense of curing “natural-born” gay people.

If you were to listen to that interview linked to earlier, you’d know what i was talking about, but you won’t be doing that! Outright refusal.

“Real” homosexuals are born that way. That is a fact. Childhood abuse has nothing to do with it - it is a common and dangerous misconception. I have a couple non heterosexual friends - their lives have always been normal. No abuse, no “gay propaganda”: they found it out on their own.

Childhood abuse has a hell of a LOT to do with it. Again, if you were to watch that video, you’d hear Nicolosi’s solid reasoning. 20+ years after that brother’s acts, the revolting thought of what could have happened if he’d gone further clicked, and that Nicolosi interview confirmed it. That led to the statement that he knew what he was talking about.
i’ll defend Nicolosi and others like him until Doomsday, if necessary Then a lot of individuals will cop an unpleasant shock, if they haven’t already copped it at the Particular Judgement.

It’s understandable, given your backstory, that** you are angry at gay people.**

False.

That, however, does not excuse you from using stereotypes and being offensive. “Omophile” [Never used Omo: Rinso and Fab were the ones!.] and “propagandist” are both offensive, so I suggest you refrain from using them.

You can suggest all you like…but keep brands of washing powders (OMO) out of it. (Maybe it was just a typo! )
There’s no point in trying to exert pressure, either. As Mr Pilate said: “What I have written, I have written.”
And, i** suggest** you watch that video .Labelling someone a charlatan without sufficient knowledge is **offensive. ** Both of those words are yours. Glass houses.

“Unnatural, Unhealthy, Life Shortening”: these are misconsceptions and stereotypes.

The printing industry did us a bad turn by “giving” us that word, sadly obsolete in this digital age.
Also, do some research, read some stats.

Homosexuality is NOT unnatural: more than 240 animal species presebt homosexual individuals and couples - as a matter of fact, some species (like flamingos, penguins, and monkeys) have exhibited better parenting in same-sex couples rather than regular ones.

An intellect and a will should raise us above the ordinary animals. We’re capable of doing great good, and we’re capable of doing great evil by letting out-of-control passions run rampant.

Homosexuality is NOT unhealthy - no more than an heterosexual lifestyle.

Thankfully for you, you mustn’t have a vivid visual imagination. Ever pondered what two SSA men get up to?

You’re clinging onto the stereotype that all of them are some kind of orgy fanatics.

That over-used word again.
Again, false. Putting words into another’s mouth can be slander.

AIDS is not inherently tied to homosexuality - everyone, if not careful, can catch it. The world has changed since the 80s - there is much more awareness and hygiene.
Homosexuality does NOT shorten your lifespan: it’s just a myth. Not counting, of course; suicides caused by omophobic harassment.

Also caused by lack of self-respect, feeling worse than trash, after being violated. Depression. Self-hate. And other assorted mental problems.

They don’t hate hin because he cures gay people, they hate him because, in what concerns “actual” homosexuals (and not, I stress once again, trauma - induced sex disorders) he was a charlatan and a pretty prejudiced one at that.

You shouldn’t condemn someone until you know what he said!
Yet another plea to hear Nicolosi’s OWN WORDS, before condemning him “with faint praise”!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=z_GLo3hD964 Broken record. Why bother!

Do you?

That question, along with most other stuff, was aimed at another person whose rage (if genuine) was more than “over the top”.

It is also…
…when it gets exaggerated [Understatement] but still…don’t spit generalization in the plate you eat from.

What course did you do?. You’re into it, and you’re probably not even aware of it.

By the way, the Church does NOT condemn SSA orientation; she condemns the acting out of it.
Big Diff.

Notice that term “SSA”, rather than “gay”? It shows more respect than “gay” does.

 

[Lion_IRC]

There’s a huge body of medical science which supports the notion that people can be cured of their unwanted sexual behaviours. Low libido, porn addiction, hypersexuality - these are just some of the sexual conditions for which many people voluntarily seek evidence-based professional therapy.

Are none of these people ‘cured’?

 

[Goldenhope]

There’s a huge body of medical science which supports the notion that people can be cured of their unwanted sexual behaviours. Low libido, porn addiction, hypersexuality - these are just some of the sexual conditions for which many people voluntarily seek evidence-based professional therapy.

Are none of these people ‘cured’?

That’s a different subject. Low libido, porn addiction and hypersexuality are not the fundamental basis of your sexual orientation. These people get cured of problems related to their sexuality, not of their sexuality itself.

 

[Goldenhope]

Fiasco, this is getting off-topic.
We were talking about “natural-born” gay people becoming heterosexuals.
This has NOTHING to do with abuse victims.
Katy Perry was not abused, nor were here LGBT friends.
You are talking about sexual disturbs generated by attempted rape, which has NOTHING to do with one’s true sex orientation.
You introduced a subject that goes beyond and is much graver than any pseudo scientific cure-your-gays squabbles, and this thread is neither the time or the place to discuss it.

 

[Goldenhope]

And besides, this is supposedly a religious forum. What we’re discussing is a scientific matter. If you want to continue it, we should migrate to a scientific forum, where we discuss with actual facts and evidence.

 

[at9009]

Fiasco, this is getting off-topic.
We were talking about “natural-born” gay people becoming heterosexuals.
This has NOTHING to do with abuse victims.
Katy Perry was not abused, nor were here LGBT friends.
You are talking about sexual disturbs generated by attempted rape, which has NOTHING to do with one’s true sex orientation.
You introduced a subject that goes beyond and is much graver than any pseudo scientific cure-your-gays squabbles, and this thread is neither the time or the place to discuss it.

It’s nearly impossible to have a level headed discussion on this issue because in all actuality neither side is completely wrong or completely right.

For example, scientific evidence has not identified a ‘gay gene’ is a true statement. They have, though, shown that genetic inheritance does seem to play some role. Additionally, ignorance on the field of genetics plays a role in misunderstanding many things. Most things are not inherited in a single high school punnet square pattern. There are genes that regulate genes that regulate other genes. Development occurs in a precise sequential pattern dependent on timing, concentration gradients of important factors, DNA (including mutational errors that occur along the way), environment, etc. All of this places a role in embryonic development. It is not unreasonble to think that in our fallen world where brokeness has manifested in all manners of way, a person can be born with same sex attraction. It’s also not unreasonable knowing how powerful the mind is, that certain things can cause people to manifest same sex attraction due to a psychological trauma (though most who experience that trauma do not have same sex attraction indicating there might be some kind of biological susceptibility thus giving credance to some kind of inherited or congenital pattern).

The problem with reparative therapy is two fold. First, it approaches all problems through the lens of healing sexuality to heterosexuality (which we first should also acknowledge in our current world is broken based upon the amount of sexual sin struggles straight people struggle with as well). Success of treating a poor father-son relationship or abuse experienced as a child is not measured as addressing and resolving those issues but rather at the reduction or elimination of same sex attraction. it is an entirely skewed perspective of therapy in my personal opinion. So therapy at addressing childhood wounds is never a bad thing. however, to act like treating those wounds will automatically generate a particular desired outcome is a bad and faulty perspective to have.

Second people like Nicolosi double down on their beliefs for causes of same sex attraction and over promised on their therapy efficacy. I have had friends who spend years and thousands of dollars on therapy with the promise of ‘being cured’ to not only experience no real change but to often be accused of either lacking faith or not really wanting change. Let’s not forget the studies that also played lingo gymnastics who would call a person who was celibate and abstaining from same sex sexual acts as ex-gay. It would be like calling an alcoholic who was maintaining their sobriety cured of alcoholism. It’s promising something they could never promise, taking the money for it, and basically ignoring the severe mental anguish it could generate. From talking to friends who have gone through NARTH, while most appreciate some of the things they learned from therapy, they all admit it caused many numerous scars that really hurt their faith journey. It’s in all honestly only by God’s grace that they are still Catholic. However, there are examples where people thing NARTH is the greater thing ever. So these types of experiences don’t provide a very compelling argument (I just suspect on a site like this, the pro-NARTH arguments are automatically given more support regardless of evidence than a argument that mentions some of the problems with NARTH).

One interesting thing is that people on both sides of this issue are rather rabid and antagonistic to each other (to challenge their view is apparently to be a mortal enemy that must be destroyed at all costs).

 

[Peter_J]

For the record,idol think anyone who asks if there is a “gay gene” should be taken seriously. They’re either joking or completely misunderstand genetics. And I would say the same about those who ask if there’s a “baseball gene” or a “Nobel Prize gene”.

 

[Lion_IRC]

Lion IRC;14560848:

There’s a huge body of medical science which supports the notion that people can be cured of their unwanted sexual behaviours. Low libido, porn addiction, hypersexuality - these are just some of the sexual conditions for which many people voluntarily seek evidence-based professional therapy.

Are none of these people ‘cured’?

That’s a different subject.

No it’s not.
But I can understand why many people would want to claim that certain sexual impulses can’t be controlled.

Low libido, porn addiction and hypersexuality are not the fundamental basis of your sexual orientation.

Psycho-sexual impulses shouldnt be oversimplified.
What is the “fundamental basis” for each of the following letter abbreviations?
L G B T Q I

These people get cured of problems related to their sexuality, not of their sexuality itself.

I’m sorry, that sounds like a tautology.

 

[Fiasco]

Fiasco, this is getting off-topic…

…You are talking about sexual disturbs generated by** attempted rape**, [Not in my case!!!] which has NOTHING to do with one’s true sex orientation.

If you’re implying that i said that that brother attempted rape, forget it. At the time, i regarded it as just more antics of a bully and a baiter, which he was. Soon forgotten, and stayed that way for more than 2 decades. It was only after the memory returned (for whatever reason) that the** God-given intellect, insight, imagination etc kicked in, and was later on confirmed by Nicolosi’ words.**

You introduced a subject that goes beyond and is much graver than any pseudo scentific cure-your-gays squabbles, and this thread is neither the time or the place to discuss it.

You can’t help yourself.
Taking for granted that you still wouldn’t listen to Nicolosi’s own words, all i can say is that whatever you’ve said here has to be taken with the proverbial sain of gralt.
Wonder about choleric temperament.

And besides, this is supposedly a religious forum. What we’re discussing is a scientific matter. If you want to continue it, we should migrate to a scientific forum, where we discuss with actual facts and evidence.

And ultimately the spiritual consequences of this thing are what matter. Therefore it’s at least as relevant on these forums as it would be on scientific forums!
So, your “invitation” is declined.

Regarding Scripture, no one said it’s a science textbook, so the insults can be dispensed with.
But it is a book of teachings, Faith and Morals.
Genesis 1:27: “…male and female He created them.”
Examples concerning sodomy:
The reason for the destruction of Sodom and the others is obvious
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Etc.

Romans 1:26-27:

Because they do this, God has given them over to shameful passions. Even the women pervert the natural use of their sex by unnatural acts.
In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other. Men do shameful things with each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves the punishment they deserve for their wrongdoing. Good News Bible

Some older translations say that the men “lust for the flesh of other men”. More hard hitting.

God is the Creator of a “gay” gene??? At “best”, it’d be an aberration.
It’s an unfortunate combination of characteristics, and at the very least possibly, events.

Still wondering:

www.temperaments.fighunter.com/?page=choleric

 

[Goldenhope]

God is the Creator of a “gay” gene??? At “best”, it’d be an aberration.
It’s an unfortunate combination of characteristics, and at the very least possibly, events.

And you believe this is the case for every gay person? Even those who are happy with it?

 

[Fiasco]

For the record,idol think anyone who asks if there is a “gay gene” should be taken seriously. They’re either joking or completely misunderstand genetics. And I would say the same about those who ask if there’s a “baseball gene” or a “Nobel Prize gene”.

Political correctness sums it up!
The “LGBTQ etc etc etc” movement has a stranglehold on most of Western society. Whatever they claim goes, no matter how outlandish.
A good recent example of their misuse of power is the Boston St Patrick’s Day Parade where the homosexual group intimidated the organisers to surrender.
The greater the power these groups grab, the greater their lust for more power. They’re patronised by very misguided “straight” individuals who let them have whatever they want, including insane legislation.

At its source, the whole thing is demonically driven.

There’s a huge body of medical science which supports the notion that people can be cured of their unwanted sexual behaviours. Low libido, porn addiction, hypersexuality - these are just some of the sexual conditions for which many people voluntarily seek evidence-based professional therapy.

Are none of these people ‘cured’?

Lots are cured, but nobody’s supposed to know. There’s been so much promoting of the so-called “gay” “lifestyle” that most individuals just blindly accept it as being normal.
i’m surprised that all of the successful therapists haven’t been charged with “homophobia” and silenced. It’s happened in some places, though.
Among politicians and other policy makers, a lot of intellects must be darkened. There can’t be any other explanation for the widespread insanity among “lawmakers”.

And you believe this is the case for every gay person? Even those who are happy with it?

** YES**.
To utter that one word, no stammerers need apply.
By the way, until the 1970s, “gay” meant merry. There’s nothing merry about a mixed-up orientation.

It seems i have more respect for God than you have…to think He’d create people SSA!

Regarding “those who are happy with it”: they have a massive psychological problem. As the Catechism says, same sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, or words to that effect. (Too tired to look it up: its layout is hopeless.)

For two men to want to engage in sodomy is way past disgusting. It’s most certainly not according to God’s will. Quite the opposite.
(SSA women have different problems, and i wouldn’t have the hide to comment.)

Anyway, for one or two reasons, plus your refusal to listen to Nicolosi, there’s no point in “debating” with you. Sorry for saying this, but i can’t take your posts seriously. The whole thing reinforces my temperament speculation. Apology if mistaken.

 

[Goldenhope]

Political correctness sums it up!
The “LGBTQ etc etc etc” movement has a stranglehold on most of Western society. Whatever they claim goes, no matter how outlandish.
A good recent example of their misuse of power is the Boston St Patrick’s Day Parade where the homosexual group intimidated the organisers to surrender.
The greater the power these groups grab, the greater their lust for more power. They’re patronised by very misguided “straight” individuals who let them have whatever they want, including insane legislation.

At its source, the whole thing is demonically driven.

Lots are cured, but nobody’s supposed to know. There’s been so much promoting of the so-called “gay” “lifestyle” that most individuals just blindly accept it as being normal.
i’m surprised that all of the successful therapists haven’t been charged with “homophobia” and silenced. It’s happened in some places, though.
Among politicians and other policy makers, a lot of intellects must be darkened. There can’t be any other explanation for the widespread insanity among “lawmakers”.

** YES**.
To utter that one word, no stammerers need apply.
By the way, until the 1970s, “gay” meant merry. There’s nothing merry about a mixed-up orientation.

It seems i have more respect for God than you have…to think He’d create people SSA!

Regarding “those who are happy with it”: they have a massive psychological problem. As the Catechism says, same sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, or words to that effect. (Too tired to look it up: its layout is hopeless.)

For two men to want to engage in sodomy is way past disgusting. It’s most certainly not according to God’s will. Quite the opposite.
(SSA women have different problems, and i wouldn’t have the hide to comment.)

Anyway, for one or two reasons, plus your refusal to listen to Nicolosi, there’s no point in “debating” with you. Sorry for saying this, but i can’t take your posts seriously. The whole thing reinforces my temperament speculation. Apology if mistaken.

If those are your opinions, then I frankly have nothing to discuss with you. You hold utmost respect towards people like Nicolosi, whose therapies have been banned in numerous states and have been publicily shunned. Get a look around the web, you’ll find out he’s not quite the good samaritan you believe him to be.

patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2012/08/02/joseph-nicolosi-liar/

neontommy.com/news/2015/06/former-ex-gay-poster-boy-speaks-out-against-conversion-therapy

waynebesen.com/ex-gay-therapist-joseph-nicolosi-is-dead-he-was-an-opportunistic-ideologue-and-propagandist-who-trafficked-in-hate-and-harm/

advocate.com/ex-gay-therapy/2015/06/25/conversion-therapy-fraud-new-jersey-court-rules

And by the way…yeah, I’m firmly convinced He did create SSA people. I believe God is far greater than any of us, and loves SSA people more than any of us can ever even
begin to grasp.

“It seems i have more respect for God than you have…to think He’d create people SSA!”

And you’re SO respectful you act as if you knew His will so perfectly…sorry, but unless you’re a prophet of some kind, your arrogance shows much more disrespect to Him.
Also, funny how you call me cholerich. Your stream of insults (and please, don’t tell me that “demonically driven” is an objective statement), your claims that those who actually support them are “darkened” (because, of course, you’re an enlightened genie) just reinforce my decision to cut this conversation.
You clearly don’t know LGBT people. Many of them are much happier than many regular couples.
Also, it goes both ways: as long as you take such a bigoted stance, I won’t be able to take you’re posts seriously.

With that said…good day, sir.

 

[Peter_J]

Morning everybody. (Well morning in the USA that is.)

I was just thinking, though I have no way to tell for sure, that there’s probably a bunch of liberals out there somewhere who are having a field day reading this thread.

 

[Peter_J]

If those are your opinions, then I frankly have nothing to discuss with you. You hold utmost respect towards people like Nicolosi, whose therapies have been banned in numerous states and have been publicily shunned. Get a look around the web, you’ll find out he’s not quite the good samaritan you believe him to be.

patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2012/08/02/joseph-nicolosi-liar/

neontommy.com/news/2015/06/former-ex-gay-poster-boy-speaks-out-against-conversion-therapy

waynebesen.com/ex-gay-therapist-joseph-nicolosi-is-dead-he-was-an-opportunistic-ideologue-and-propagandist-who-trafficked-in-hate-and-harm/

advocate.com/ex-gay-therapy/2015/06/25/conversion-therapy-fraud-new-jersey-court-rules

And by the way…yeah, **I’m firmly convinced He did create SSA people. I believe God is far greater than any of us, and loves SSA people more than any of us can ever even
begin to grasp. **

“It seems i have more respect for God than you have…to think He’d create people SSA!”

And you’re SO respectful you act as if you knew His will so perfectly…sorry, but unless you’re a prophet of some kind, your arrogance shows much more disrespect to Him.
Also, funny how you call me cholerich. Your stream of insults (and please, don’t tell me that “demonically driven” is an objective statement), your claims that those who actually support them are “darkened” (because, of course, you’re an enlightened genie) just reinforce my decision to cut this conversation.
You clearly don’t know LGBT people. Many of them are much happier than many regular couples.
Also, it goes both ways: as long as you take such a bigoted stance, I won’t be able to take you’re posts seriously.

With that said…good day, sir.

Hi GH. Some thoughts come to mind, one for each of the bolded areas above …

You may be completely right about NARTH, but I must point out that we cannot necessarily conclude anything based on what laws have been passed. (If you were to assume that all laws are just, then I don’t know what you could say about the fact that, until 2003, people could go to jail in numerous states for homosexual sins.)

Also, it should be noted that there have been quite a lot of “interesting” assertions made on this forum, not just on this thread. Two that seem relevant at the moment are the thread about “the mythical homosexual person” (contrast that with the USCCB’s document “Always our children” which I think makes clear that homosexual persons were created by God and that we all ought to love and respect them as we do heterosexual persons) and the perennial claims that Protestants (not just this or that Protestant mind you) are led by the devil.

 

[Goldenhope]

Hi GH. Some thoughts come to mind, one for each of the bolded areas above …

You may be completely right about NARTH, but I must point out that we cannot necessarily conclude anything based on what laws have been passed. (If you were to assume that all laws are just, then I don’t know what you could say about the fact that, until 2003, people could go to jail in numerous states for homosexual sins.)

Also, it should be noted that there have been quite a lot of “interesting” assertions made on this forum, not just on this thread. Two that seem relevant at the moment are the thread about “the mythical homosexual person” (contrast that with the USCCB’s document “Always our children” which I think makes clear that homosexual persons were created by God and that we all ought to love and respect them as we do heterosexual persons) and the perennial claims that Protestants (not just this or that Protestant mind you) are led by the devil.

Well, of course not all laws are just - pointing to this peculiar case, the law was the result of scrutiny from the globalscientific community, who found this “therapies” to be useless, if not dangerous.
And of course, as you pointed out, I may just be wrong.

I was not aware of this “mythical homosexual” thingy. Would you kindly save me the effort of navigating old posts and kindly tell me what is it exactly?
Also…devil-led protestants? Last time I checked, it was the Catholics who were led by the Masonic-Satanic-Reptilian-Illuminati-Antichrist pope…

 

[Peter_J]

Well, of course not all laws are just - pointing to this peculiar case, the law was the result of scrutiny from the globalscientific community, who found this “therapies” to be useless, if not dangerous.
And of course, as you pointed out, I may just be wrong.

I was not aware of this “mythical homosexual” thingy. Would you kindly save me the effort of navigating old posts and kindly tell me what is it exactly?
Also…devil-led protestants? Last time I checked, it was the Catholics who were led by the Masonic-Satanic-Reptilian-Illuminati-Antichrist pope…

Heh. Well maybe if you post on Protestant forums. :tsktsk:

But to your question, read this

I have no idea what the Magisterium has in mind by accepting the myth of the “homosexual person” as real. I believe it comes from the “stream of corruption” and “gay lobby” that Pope Francis referenced at one point

That’s a portion of the Opening Post from forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=1036263 (the entire OP is much longer than that).

So there you have it. Now you know that when the magisterium of the Catholic Church speaks of “the homosexual person” they are accepting the existence of someone who is actually a myth. (Side note, that thread has 399 posts.)

 

[Goldenhope]

Heh. Well maybe if you post on Protestant forums. :tsktsk:

But to your question, read this

I have no idea what the Magisterium has in mind by accepting the myth of the “homosexual person” as real. I believe it comes from the “stream of corruption” and “gay lobby” that Pope Francis referenced at one point

That’s a portion of the Opening Post from forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=1036263 (the entire OP is much longer than that).

So there you have it. Now you know that when the magisterium of the Catholic Church speaks of “the homosexual person” they are accepting the existence of someone who is actually a myth. (Side note, that thread has 399 posts.)

I remember there was a guy once (can’t really remember his name, though) who went around Israel preaching peace and love…
Bah, who cares. Back to bashing whoever is different than us - after all, what else can a good Christian do?