Yes, you help your neighbor. But birthing a child or multiple with the same terrible disease, which was known prior, like EB is certainly not a good nor it it show compassion for that unfortunate child. It’s more like writing off there future before it even starts or condemning someone to the gallows. How the parents feel is irrelevant because they don’t live with that disease in there body day in and day out.
I don’t think it’s helpful to repeat your rationale. For Christians (certainly for Catholics) murder is not ever a good deed. I understand your system of ethics concludes that it can be sometimes.
Sounds like all terminations should be deemed “good”. By your reasoning, baby is assured of heaven and avoids all the risks of earthly life - **what could be a kinder act than that?
I honestly never thought about it like that. Don’t really know what to say, though on one hand you never have to go through life worrying that you child might screw up and go to Hell. Plus, that child will never have to know the struggles of life on earth, healthy or unhealthy.
Nothing you say can change the fact that abortion is murder, nothing I say will change your opinion that it is not. Nothing except a conversion of your heart. I assure you that I believe you think it is compassion, but it is not. I have no doubt that you yourself are a caring person. Unfortunately your heart has been corrupted by the false sense of caring of the world. I don’t blame you. I actually am glad that you have a caring heart. I just pray that one day it may be directed towards true compassion and help for the suffering. Until then, I will pray for your conversion.
But bringing a child with a rare genetic disease into the world knowingly isn’t compassion nor does it help there suffering. It is what creates it in the first place! And I’m not suggesting an abortion is appropriate in any situation like a person wants one just because, but I’m arguing in the cases where the cons of a child’s disease overshadow the pros of them being alive.
Then abstain from sexual relations when the serious risk is known. But once created, respect life. Accept the commandments.
I’ll pass. NFP is church sanctioned way of controlling the masses. No offense. I like to not play Russian Roulette when it comes to my fertility nor do I have any desire to get to know the workings of my female reproductive system. Knowing me, if my future husband and I were trying to avoid children due to whatever our reasoning was and used NFP, I’d being consumed with anxiety after everytime we were together and anxiously awaiting the pregnancy result test. Yes contraception has failure rates but I trust it more than NFP.
No offense, but it doesn’t seem God respected life when He allowed diseases like EB, crabbies disease, cancer, etc… To exist. It seems more like they were created as some cruel sick joke.
I didn’t mention NFP. I suggested abstinence, if one’s intent is to eliminate the possibility of a child being conceived with a known serious condition.
This causes me no offence. Many people struggle with the reality that evil and suffering exist.
In that case, if I was ever in that situation, I would get sterilized. I wouldn’t abstain permanently, marriage is the only place sex is allowed in. Yes, I know other problems can arise like male impotence, disease or hectic life schedule but that’s understandable. Lack of sex long term is damaging in a relationship. It releases bonding chemicals between spouses and long periods without it, at least from what I’ve been told and read causes a rift in a marriage. I find it crazy how, in bad situations like I’m describing, the Catholic chuches response totally undermines the importance of intimacy in a marriage. I mean if you think about it may get to the point where some couples are so afraid that they might slip up, they avoid all physical contact. But then again that’s what happens when laws are approved and written by celibate men, or at least according to church dogma created in the Middle Ages, they should be anyway
Hugging releases bonding chemicals (such as oxytocin). Direct sterilization intended as birth control is intrinsically evil; it fails to promote the good of the human person because of the refusal to accept the inherent God given life-giving dimension of the conjugal act.In that case, if I was ever in that situation, I would get sterilized. I wouldn’t abstain permanently, marriage is the only place sex is allowed in. Yes, I know other problems can arise like male impotence, disease or hectic life schedule but that’s understandable. Lack of sex long term is damaging in a relationship. It releases bonding chemicals between spouses and long periods without it, at least from what I’ve been told and read causes a rift in a marriage. I find it crazy how, in bad situations like I’m describing, the Catholic chuches response totally undermines the importance of intimacy in a marriage. I mean if you think about it may get to the point where some couples are so afraid that they might slip up, they avoid all physical contact. But then again that’s what happens when laws are approved and written by celibate men, or at least according to church dogma created in the Middle Ages, they should be anyway
Literally had this conversation with my mother the other day. She was proud about abstaining when the doctors told her not to get pregnant again and apparently my parents abstained for like, 10+ years. I only raised an eye brow and thought ‘wow, sucked to be you’. This is another reason I don’t share my parent’s ideologies and after some more investigation, I’ll definitely pass on it. It’s almost as if they WANT that extra burden/suffering. I personally think the whole birth control issue was a result of someone having an impregnation fetish along the way.In that case, if I was ever in that situation, I would get sterilized. I wouldn’t abstain permanently, marriage is the only place sex is allowed in. Yes, I know other problems can arise like male impotence, disease or hectic life schedule but that’s understandable. Lack of sex long term is damaging in a relationship. It releases bonding chemicals between spouses and long periods without it, at least from what I’ve been told and read causes a rift in a marriage. I find it crazy how, in bad situations like I’m describing, the Catholic chuches response totally undermines the importance of intimacy in a marriage. I mean if you think about it may get to the point where some couples are so afraid that they might slip up, they avoid all physical contact. But then again that’s what happens when laws are approved and written by celibate men, or at least according to church dogma created in the Middle Ages, they should be anyway
I agree. It’s like people with these beliefs carry that like a badge of honor in some cases, “my spouse and I didn’t have sex for x years” as if it’s a proud and honorable thing to have “mastery” over your sex drive in the sense that your married and are within arms reach of the person you love day after day. I’m not referring to people who view porn, that’s an addiction and an actual sin. As a teenager I had mastery over my emotions, didn’t cry for 4+ years straight, a lot of psychological issues, and was proud of that and viewed falling to the temptation of crying as weakness. I believed I was stronger person and tougher than people who did cry.
It would be more charitable to simply state that your approach to the circumstances would be different because …insert reasons…] rather than suggesting that those (Catholics) who might make a different (and difficult) personal choice (to reject contraception) act for prideful reasons, and revel in the opportunity to boast about it.
If something has the potential of causing a problem (passing on a rare genetic disease), eliminate it. Taking preventive measures isn’t instrictically evil. The idea that a person must be open to babies with ever sex act and that methods to prevent pregnancy are wrong are the result of religious MALE theologians who either never had sex or had something against sex telling others how to live there lives, as a way to ensure members in the pews. With no members following teachings, you have no one to have power and authority over and what better way than to scare them into following you. Also, just because something is God given or allowed by Him doesn’t make it inherently good. Rare disease arn’t inherently good, people affected just learn to acknowledge and accept them.
Given you believe it is moral to murder a child in the womb who has a serious medical condition, it is entirely rational for you to favour other actions such as contraceptive practices, sterilisation and the like.
That would depend on what you did, wouldn’t it? Of course, as the system of ethics to which you subscribe is consequentialism, then for you, there is no such thing as an “intrinsically evil act”!
Well, that’s just weird.
Since teachings opposing contraception have not been widely accepted, you’d have to say those seeking “power and authority” over the people have failed.