Keep you pre-schooler in a 5 point harness carseat!

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I still find it interesting that several people on here that have said no amount of $ is worth comprimising their kids safety…yet they also admitted to taking their kid on a plane as a Lap Child. One patch of bad turbulence and your baby is going to hit the ceiling with 100lbs of force.

I think the best we can hope for s to try the best with in reason to keep our kids safe and pray.
Then keep pondering on that thought 👋
 
I still find it interesting that several people on here that have said no amount of $ is worth comprimising their kids safety…yet they also admitted to taking their kid on a plane as a Lap Child. One patch of bad turbulence and your baby is going to hit the ceiling with 100lbs of force.

I think the best we can hope for s to try the best with in reason to keep our kids safe and pray.
I had one of these when my kids were lap riders:

babybair.com/
 
I had one of these when my kids were lap riders:

babybair.com/
Yeah we haven’t flown with our little ones yet, but they are riding in their car seats if we do. For multiple reasons.
  1. Safety- The vest looks great, but another cause of infant death on planes is being crushed between their parent and the seat in front of them in the case of an emergency stop during take off or landing.
  2. Space and convience - our daughter actually likes her carseat, and I would rather have the space for both of us rather than spend a 3 hour flight with her climbing all over me.
  3. Safety of my expensive carseat. - After watching the baggage handlers…NO way I’m sending my $300.00 carseat with them. I have two friends whose carseats were lost and/or destroyed, they could not leave the airport at their destination until the people picking them up went and bought a new carseat.😦
 
I had one of these when my kids were lap riders:

babybair.com/
This is what I meant Alix1912. What is out there that solves this issue? I honestly didn’t know that the contraption was available. This thread is all about sharing information and providing ideas to other concerned parents.

We are all concerned about safety obviously for us to subscribe to this thread in the first place.

Luckily, the next time we travel, my husband will be forced to buy DS his own seat.
 
Yeah we haven’t flown with our little ones yet, but they are riding in their car seats if we do. For multiple reasons.
  1. Safety- The vest looks great, but another cause of infant death on planes is being crushed between their parent and the seat in front of them in the case of an emergency stop during take off or landing.
  2. Space and convience - our daughter actually likes her carseat, and I would rather have the space for both of us rather than spend a 3 hour flight with her climbing all over me.
  3. Safety of my expensive carseat. - After watching the baggage handlers…NO way I’m sending my $300.00 carseat with them. I have two friends whose carseats were lost and/or destroyed, they could not leave the airport at their destination until the people picking them up went and bought a new carseat.😦
an airline sent out carseat to another city and they provided us with an interim carseat while they found ours and couriered it to us within 2 business days. I was very impressed with the way they helped us.

I am not sure if airlines let you install a big Britax Marithon or Frontier. They take up too much of the seat space. I would have to look into this one.
 
  1. Safety of my expensive carseat. - After watching the baggage handlers…NO way I’m sending my $300.00 carseat with them. I have two friends whose carseats were lost and/or destroyed, they could not leave the airport at their destination until the people picking them up went and bought a new carseat.😦
Legallly, even if the child isn’t IN the car seat they MUST let you bring it on the plane. They MUST store it in the spot reserved for wheel chairs. It is considered a necessary medical devise and cannot be denied because of ADA laws.
 
Legallly, even if the child isn’t IN the car seat they MUST let you bring it on the plane. They MUST store it in the spot reserved for wheel chairs. It is considered a necessary medical devise and cannot be denied because of ADA laws.
Unless there is not enough room, then they put it with the other luggage, and you need to wait for it at baggage claim. (happened to me)
 
I still find it interesting that several people on here that have said no amount of $ is worth comprimising their kids safety…yet they also admitted to taking their kid on a plane as a Lap Child. One patch of bad turbulence and your baby is going to hit the ceiling with 100lbs of force.

I think the best we can hope for s to try the best with in reason to keep our kids safe and pray.
It may be because vehicle accidents are the number ONE killer of kids over the age of one (notice after one…when most parents turn their kids forward facing), whereas plane injuries and accidents are much rarer. Spending more money on something (a carseat) that will help protect your child from the number one cause of death in an activity (driving) that is done almost daily, makes more sense to some than spending a lot of money buying a seat for a one-time event (flying) that poses much less risk.

That said, I personally wouldn’t travel w/a lap baby.
 
Yeah we haven’t flown with our little ones yet, but they are riding in their car seats if we do. For multiple reasons.
  1. Safety- The vest looks great, but another cause of infant death on planes is being crushed between their parent and the seat in front of them in the case of an emergency stop during take off or landing.
  2. Space and convience - our daughter actually likes her carseat, and I would rather have the space for both of us rather than spend a 3 hour flight with her climbing all over me.
  3. Safety of my expensive carseat. - After watching the baggage handlers…NO way I’m sending my $300.00 carseat with them. I have two friends whose carseats were lost and/or destroyed, they could not leave the airport at their destination until the people picking them up went and bought a new carseat.😦
I’ve flown with my daughter lots of times and ever since she was an infant I’ve bought her, her own seat… mainly for the reasons you listed. I figured it was worth the extra $100 or so (some airlines give you seats for children and infants at a fraction of the the price of adult seats). Hehe, nowadays you can probably use that extra seat for an extra bag and not have to check something so it all evens out! The extra seat is also nice because it gave me a little more room and comfort. It’s uncomfortable enough when some larger person sits next to you on an airplane and crowds you. I can’t imagine that while holding a baby for 2-3 hours.

As an aside, I always wear my lap belt at all times on the plane too–just in case of bad turbulence. All it takes is one drop and you can have a serious head injury. Then again, I’ve flown over the equator before and that’s when you can really appreciate how bad turbulence can be.
 
Can a booster that can be tethered to the car remain tethered once the child is at the age where a seat belt must be used? I would think this would give a little extra safety since the seat belt wouldn’t have to hold back weight of the booster just the weight of the child. Plus the tethered seats can pretty much be made completely immobile where a seat belt would seem to give more room for movement.
Only boosters which specifically allow LATCH when in booster mode can be LATCHED (lower anchors and top tethering). The Frontier and Nautilus are two of them that can be permanently anchored to the seat when in booster mode. 👍 Two others I can think of off hand are the Clek Oobr and the Sunshine Kids Monterey.
 
I had one of these when my kids were lap riders:

babybair.com/
These aren’t approved for taxiing, take off or landing, just an FYI.

They really wouldn’t do anything to protect the child if there was bad turbulence other than toss the poor child around like a rag doll on a tether. 😦
 
Unless there is not enough room, then they put it with the other luggage, and you need to wait for it at baggage claim. (happened to me)
OOOO read the airline the riot act! Seriously. I’m not in agreement with some on this thread over things but I am a stickler for getting the most out of the laws that allow you liberties. If you live in America you have the law on your side. (international flights or those in canada may be different).
 
I just transferred my 5 year-old from a booster back into a 5-point harness. I actually never felt good about the booster decision, but couldn’t afford another huge car seat. My son moved into her 3-in-1 seats (1 for each car). She would completely fall out of the shoulder belt when she fell asleep and I felt like she had too much freedom, sitting up looking out the window and such. Recently I’ve just seen too many accidents and I’m paranoid about my children getting injured. We went with the Graco Nautilus 3-in-1. She LOVES it and can work the harness herself. The 5-point harness in this one goes up to 65 lbs. There aren’t very many seats that allow that and they didn’t seem to exist when she was born otherwise I would have gotten it then. I think her old seats are only up to 35 lbs for the harness.
 
an airline sent out carseat to another city and they provided us with an interim carseat while they found ours and couriered it to us within 2 business days. I was very impressed with the way they helped us.

I am not sure if airlines let you install a big Britax Marithon or Frontier. They take up too much of the seat space. I would have to look into this one.
The Britax seats are FAA approved so they have to let you use them if you bought the seat.
 
The Britax seats are FAA approved so they have to let you use them if you bought the seat.
I’m in Canada and usually fly with Canadian companies. I’m not sure as our airlines are not FAA monitored at all.

I will have to look into it. Thanks
 
It may be because vehicle accidents are the number ONE killer of kids over the age of one (notice after one…when most parents turn their kids forward facing), whereas plane injuries and accidents are much rarer. Spending more money on something (a carseat) that will help protect your child from the number one cause of death in an activity (driving) that is done almost daily, makes more sense to some than spending a lot of money buying a seat for a one-time event (flying) that poses much less risk.

That said, I personally wouldn’t travel w/a lap baby.
I think the if we make people buy another seat they will opt to drive more argument is silly. It’s like saying if we close bars early people will drink in their cars.

As to flying being a onetime event…true, but one bad episode of turbulence is all that is needed to propel your baby into the ceiling. Totally not worth it to me.
 
These aren’t approved for taxiing, take off or landing, just an FYI.

They really wouldn’t do anything to protect the child if there was bad turbulence other than toss the poor child around like a rag doll on a tether. 😦
Yes, I was aware of that.

Most injuries when flying are due to turbulence. And it would prevent that baby from crashing their head on the ceiling and flying out of your lap under the seat in front of you.

It’s better than just holding the baby, and it’s affordable.
 
I think the if we make people buy another seat they will opt to drive more argument is silly. It’s like saying if we close bars early people will drink in their cars.

As to flying being a onetime event…true, but one bad episode of turbulence is all that is needed to propel your baby into the ceiling. Totally not worth it to me.
I don’t think that’s what Sancta was saying. She was just stating the fact that we spend more on safety for driving than flying, bc driving is something we do everyday. Way more kids die in a car accident than flying b/c it’s something we do daily.

She is extremely knowledgeable and I for one, don’t think anything she has said is “silly” as you put it.
 
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