Keeping a Cross Off Stamp Commemorating Pope

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baloney! The fact that the cross is removed from the picture itself was wrong. And then represent the idea of having a picture of JPII with no cross showing with the cross taken off agenda. You must think that the Pope is leader of the one world organization don’t you? Given your liberal interpretation of JPII don’t you see how inconsistent your viewpoint is?
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I’m trying to understand your question.

Are you saying the Jews actually touched up the photos to remove the cross? Why didn’t somebody say so earlier?

I understood they simply wished to choose a photo that did not have the cross included. This could hardly be a way for the Jews to discredit the wonderful Holy Father JPII, but to avoid arousing those possible hurtful feelings in their own people.

About the one world organization, the Pope is the leader of the Church around the world, if that’s what you mean? :confused: He is also the head of the Vatican, which is a sovereign country although it happens to be surrounded by Rome. Therefore he is a political leader as well. What are you asking me?

Are you even talking to me? Are you thinking I’m liberal because I don’t think the Jews are out to ruin Catholicism by putting a picture on a stamp? If by “liberal” you mean not paranoid, then maybe so.

Is the idea that JPII would not rebuff the Jews for printing his photo liberal? Am I liberal for pointing out that this Pope kissed the Quran? If JPII can show respect for others’ religions without changing his own views to match theirs, then how is it liberal to ask why the Jews can’t show us respect without having to buy into our beliefs about Christ?

Extending your line of reasoning, no Jew should ever say anything good about the Holy Father unless they first recite the Creed. They should set standards on the size and clarity of the crucifix, and there should be an arrow pointing to Jesus’ body on it with a note attached, “see, here’s where we hurt him. Don’t we feel terrible about that?”

Alan
 
Alan, consider the phrase “reminds us of crimes committed under this symbol” and then to not present the cross on John Paul II stamp is an example of how people want to take the suffering of religion. People like a religion that is warm and fuzzy and anything that resembles suffering they try to suppress it.
 
The simple fact of the matter is that “certain” Jews say they want to honor John Paul but in that same breathe they are anti-Christ,Anti-cross-Does that make any sense at all? To seperate John Paul and Christ…it’s just not going to happen! If it was the other way around and we tried to honor holocaust victims but we left out the star of David…my God,such anti-semites! The thing I don’t understand is that John Paul asked for forgiveness for any wrongs that some members of the church did to the jews,Well,did they accept the apology or not, it sure looks like they have not if they still look at the cross as a symbol of genocide against them.That’s another thing i don’t understand,the Nazi’s tried to wipe out the Jews,the Nazi’s were occultists not CHRISTIANS where do they get that christians were involved in these mass atrocities.Millions of poles and gypsys and Russians were wiped out by the Nazi’s too-What these people don’t count,where are the memorials and movies made about these people-your not going to see it because you know who runs the media and Hollywood.
 
Say anything negative about the monsters Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kun, Helena Brus, Maxim Wallach, Jacob Yurovsky, Shlomo Morel, Matyas Rakosi, Hilary Minc or Ilya Ehrenburg and get hammered and driven out of political discourse.

Those animals murdered members of my family. Why are they not common names? They killed far more than Eichmann and Himmler.

Why no memorials to their victims?
 
Another thing that needs to be made clear…John Paul did not apologize for the church itself,he apologized for members of the church who might have done wrong to their Jewish neighbors.Do I believe that there were certain people who professed to be Christians and had Jewish neighbors handed over to the Nazi’s…certainly.Do I believe that the Catholic church and pope Pius had a direct role in it like some Jews and the media try to make it out …absolutely not! So don’t make it seem like while the Nazi’s were doing all these bad things they would still go to Mass on Sunday,read their bibles and marched into area’s they took over carrying a cross-This thing about the church persecuting the Jews is way overblown and frankly it’s sickening that it continues to be brought up.
 
Jews have sinned in the past, against our ancestors.

Therefore we hate them, and despise any attempt they make toward extending a warm gesture unless they renounce their own religion and bow to our religious symbols.

The things the Jews are grateful for are not related to JPII shoving Catholicism down their throat. Only his ostensible supporters do that after he is dead.

You people act like they’re talking about scribbling in a beard or devil horns on the Pope’s photo or something! Methinks you have heart disease.

Alan
 
Has the Israeli government issued a stamp commemorating John Paul I, Paul VI, John XXIII, or Pius XII? Of course, being no stamp-collector, I have no clue, but John Paul II, of blessed memory, seems to have been such a revolutionary, world-changing pope of “firsts” that this is probably a great precedent.

So, there seems to be a few Jews who have a problem with displays of the Cross. All of you are Catholic, of course, and would have no problem with the Cross. But, I wonder what the Jews of this forum such as stillsmallvoice think of this? How sensitive is the average Israeli towards Christian symbols? I’d like to know.

If the Israelis are willing to honor His Holiness, why not let them? I’m sure that it’ll get some of them thinking about the veracity of the Catholic faith, cross or no cross.
 
Because the problem is John Paul would not liked to have been honored with no mention of the Father,Son,or Holy Ghost. Why is that so dificult for some to grasp?The trinity that looked over him and guided him just gets booted out of the picture…that’s real respectful!
 
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