Keeping Other Pre-Vatican II Traditions

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I have just recently started to attend the EF and I just love it. It started me to thinking about other traditions/rules that we had before V2.

Does anyone fast on Ember Days? Did you abstain from meat on Christmas Eve? How long do you fast before receiving communion?

I realize that we are not bound by these but am interested in learning if anyone does observe them.

Thanks.
 
Here’s my little list:

I don’t eat meat on Fridays
I fast from midnight until I receive communion (Really not all that much of a feat, I go to mass at 8:00 am)

Wow well that’s pretty much it pre vatican II wise… Soooome list lol I ought to become more Catholic.

Looking forward to seeing others’ lists (I’ll certainly be stealing the ones I like)
 
Not that I know of… Maybe it still is (we’d need someone more knowledgeable than myself to fill us in) But I do know for sure that if the obligation hasn’t been revoked, it certainly has been almost totally ignored.
 
General canon law says that all Fridays are days of abstinence – no meat – but if you want to eat meat, you should substitute some other form of penance.

I wasn’t sure about this until my brother recently asked a priest about this.

I’m new to this forum and still getting my feet wet.🙂

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I’m basically an Ordinary Form kind of guy. But what I have retained is 1.) Genuflect entering and exiting the pew or a bow at least. 2.) Bowing from my neck at the elevation of the host and of the chalice with the wine. 3.) Bowing at the words of the Nicene Creed “…and he became man.” 4.) Genuflecting or at least a bow everytime I pass by the tabernacle or come near it. 5.) Try not to eat meat on every Friday (lunch or dinner, sometimes both). 6.) While praying the Hail Mary, nodding at the words “…of thy womb, Jesus.” 7.) Make the sign of the cross while passing a Catholic church.

Now as a parish we have brought back saying the Our Father in Latin, especially during special liturgies, major holy days, bilingual Masses (English/ Spanish) as a sign of our unity, the official church language, in honor of our tradition and the founding families of our parish. (This year we celebrated our 60th year). Oh, while saying the Latin Pater Noster we still hold hands. It’s great a blending of the old and the new. That’s what makes our Catholic faith great changeless and changing, a continuation into the 21st Century and beyond.

Some of the Life Teen teen leaders (about 2-8 of them) after receiving communion, go to the altar steps near the altar, kneel and pray.
 
Dirk_Skene said:
I had thought that was really still in effect. Has it not been?
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I “think” the no eatng meat on Fridays has been revoked except during Lent when one is to abstain on Ash Wednesday and all Fridays til Easter.
 
I think the posters who feel that abstaining from eating meat on Friday has been revoked are wrong.

It is still in effect and if you do eat meat you must do some other type of penance.

Many short clips about this very thing on EWTN lately to remind people to abstain from meat on Friday.
 
elts1956 said:
I “think” the no eatng meat on Fridays has been revoked except during Lent when one is to abstain on Ash Wednesday and all Fridays til Easter.
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OK it’s official … Dirk is confused :doh2: I WILL be following this thread.
 
Hi mullenpm,

Yes, you are partially correct. This is what I found: “Days of abstinence” in the United States include Ash Wednesday, Good Friday and Fridays of Lent. On other Fridays of the year, all are exhorted to perform acts of devotion, self-denial and charity in the spirit of piety and penance, and particularly for peace; abstinence from meat is especially recommended but under NO OBLIGATION BY LAW. Canon Law for the world prescribes abstinence on all Fridays (Canon 1251). This according to the Dictionary of the Liturgy- Rev. Jovian P. Lang, OFM- Catholic Book Publishing Co., Page 11

Well that’s my :twocents:

Patrick
 
Mary1973 said:
I have just recently started to attend the EF and I just love it. It started me to thinking about other traditions/rules that we had before V2.

Does anyone fast on Ember Days? **Did you abstain from meat on Christmas Eve? ** How long do you fast before receiving communion?

I realize that we are not bound by these but am interested in learning if anyone does observe them.

Thanks.
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Hi Mary,
Yes, Chrismas Eve is traditionally a day of abstinence.

Sadly, one of the traditional practices unknown to many is the Blessing before meals, followed by Grace after meals.

Blessing: Bless us, O Lord, and these Thy gifts, which we are going to receive from Thy bounty, through Christ our Lord. Amen.
  • followed by* The Kyrie, Our Father, and Hail Mary
Grace after meals: We give Thee thanks almighty God, for all Thy benefits, who livest, and reignest, world without end. Amen.
again, followed by the Kyrie, Our Father, and the Hail Mary
 
  1. Reception of the Blessed Sacrament exclusively on the tongue
  2. Genuflection at all of the mandated times (in the GIRM, I’m an altar boy)
  3. Genuflection EVERY TIME I pass the Blessed Sacrament
  4. Bowing of my head at the Sanctus, Gloria Patri, and whenever the trinitarian formula is stated and the names of Jesus and Mary
  5. Prefrence of a cassock and surplice
  6. abstaining from meat on Fridays (I try to at least)
  7. Striking my breast thrice at the Agnus Dei, and once at the Domine non sum dignus.
  8. A preference for the Ad Orientem Posture in the Ordinary From + Latin
  9. A desire to serve the Extraordinary Form
  10. A love of chant + solemn Masses
 
Abstinence on Fridays throughout the year is still in effect and binding under pain of sin, mortal sin I believe. The option of another form of penance, for which permission was sadly given by Rome, though fairly specific and so mild it is barely a penance at all, is yet rarely employed.

As abstinence is a huge part of satifaction for our daily sins, it is quite a sad state of affairs.

It is NOT permissable to consume broth made from meats on a day of meat abstinence. Every Catholic throughout the ages knew this. Every Lent, meat broth recipes are put forth for the Faithful in certain professed Catholic publications. Don’t buy into the lie.
 
Ljuba said:
Abstinence on Fridays throughout the year is still in effect and binding under pain of sin, mortal sin I believe. The option of another form of penance, for which permission was sadly given by Rome, though fairly specific and so mild it is barely a penance at all, is yet rarely employed.

As abstinence is a huge part of satifaction for our daily sins, it is quite a sad state of affairs.

It is NOT permissable to consume broth made from meats on a day of meat abstinence. Every Catholic throughout the ages knew this. Every Lent, meat broth recipes are put forth for the Faithful in certain professed Catholic publications. Don’t buy into the lie.
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I do not believe that the Church teaches that not abstaining from meat on Fridays, or imposing another penance is bound under grave sin,

I think that would be a tad illogical

In Hell

Devil: So what are you in for?
Man: I killed a man
Devil: what about you?
Man: I had 3 girlfriends, and two wives
Devil: What are you in for?
Man: I… I…l
Devil: Well?
Man: … I ate a hamburger on a Friday, and didn’t do another penance…

Note: If a solemnity occurs on a Friday, abstaining from meat is not mandated
 
totustuus2345 said:
I do not believe that the Church teaches that not abstaining from meat on Fridays, or imposing another penance is bound under grave sin,

I think that would be a tad illogical
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You’re wrong here. And, I think the confusion comes from a misunderstanding of hell and its punishments.

It would be a bit illogical if all of the souls in hell were punished with the same punishment. But, the Church doesn’t teach that.

**But the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains.

Council of Florence, 6th Session, 1439 A.D.** (Emphasis Added)

James
 
Thank you Ljuba for reinforcing my belief in abstaining from eating meat on Fridays.

I predate Vatican II so I still follow abstaining from meat on Friday. I do not remember that ever having been changed; but why is it such a big deal? Have a cheese sandwich.:rolleyes:

I see small clips on EWTN “The Catholic Way” wherein they are trying to remind Catholics to abstain from eating meat on Fridays – THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. :knight2:

But, I do not know if it is a grave sin not to do so. :confused:
 
So if I fail to abstain from meat this Friday and forget to do another penance I will be serious of mortal sin and I would not be able to receive the Eucharist at Saturday Morning Mass?
 
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