Kerry Says Moderate Abortion Stand

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Dec. 20 issue - The week after Thanksgiving, dozens of Democratic Party loyalists gathered at AFL-CIO headquarters for a closed-door confab on the election. John Kerry dropped by to thank members of the liberal 527 coalition America Votes. When Ellen Malcolm, president of the pro-choice political network EMILY’s List, asked about the future direction of the party, Kerry tackled one of the Democrats’ core tenets: abortion rights. He told the group they needed new ways to make people understand they didn’t like abortion. Democrats also needed to welcome more pro-life candidates into the party, he said. “There was a gasp in the room,” says Nancy Keenan, the new president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.

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duh. I have been saying it for a long time, abortion is important to politicians ONLY as it affects votes. they could care less about women’s right to choose, women’s health, or lives of innocent babies. If babies voted, it would be outlawed. If the Republican pollsters say “support abortion” the party leadership will switch in a heartbeat. If the dems are bright enough (which I doubt) to see that if they had changed in October to a pro-family platform they would have won, they will change their tune also.
 
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puzzleannie:
duh. I have been saying it for a long time, abortion is important to politicians ONLY as it affects votes. they could care less about women’s right to choose, women’s health, or lives of innocent babies. If babies voted, it would be outlawed. If the Republican pollsters say “support abortion” the party leadership will switch in a heartbeat. If the dems are bright enough (which I doubt) to see that if they had changed in October to a pro-family platform they would have won, they will change their tune also.
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True, they’re only changing because they have too, I’m neither Democrat or Republician minded, although there was hardly a home in Ireland that didn’t have a picture of JFK.
I don’t see those pictures on the wall anymore, does a Leopard change it’s spots ? can we really trust politicians that change their tune, I would get it very hard too.

I’m more morality minded, Abortion, Stem cell research, gay marriage,plus leaving Christ out at Christmas is another slap in the face for Jesus. “Who’s Birthday is it anyway” ?
It’s like saying to John, it’s your birthday today, but were celebrating Peters instead.:rolleyes:
And I’m not pointing the finger at the USA here just incase you want to devour me, we have our own fight on here to try and save the babies, and other social issues.
And I’ll oppose them no matter where in the world they take place, as we are only seperated by living in different countries, but as we belong to one Church, we are united.
 
Stephen, While it is scant hope they are changing…it is hope of sorts. I am neither Democrat nor Republican either. But I continue to pray, and to hope they will change. As to J Kerry, there are many of us who find him reviling, but it is not the person we revile, it is his sinful stance’s. I am hopeful there also. I pray for him and all of our politicians. Countries are run by mere men, most of them sinful and less than faithful Still, we pray and we hope.

Your probably right that he has not changed his spots, but I think I am going to Thank God even for one tiny ray of light. Maybe it will turn into “Rivers of Light” yet. 🙂
 
Post election flipflop! He’ll get it right one of these days!

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Marie:
One Flip that I can finally Applaude! 🙂 :clapping:
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I agree, I’ll take small victories where we can take them. I am still cautious though. We’ll have to see how Dems vote from now on.
 
Michael C:
I agree, I’ll take small victories where we can take them. I am still cautious though. We’ll have to see how Dems vote from now on.
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True, I am hopeful but not That hopeful… We have a long road to go before the Democrats actually can be trusted. 😦
 
if Kerry wants Americans to think that Democrats don’t like abortion he can start by stopping his support for using your tax dollars on abortions for poor women (remember the debates when he said he supported this?) He can start by dropping his opposition to the most reasonable restrictions on abortion like partial-birth bans, parental consent, born alive acts, etc. Kerry has been nothing but pro-abortion his whole career. Perhaps he has changed since the election - the man flip-flops like an ornery sea bass. BUt I’m not holding my breath.
 
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Stephen, While it is scant hope they are changing…it is hope of sorts. I am neither Democrat nor Republican either. But I continue to pray, and to hope they will change. As to J Kerry, there are many of us who find him reviling, but it is not the person we revile, it is his sinful stance’s. I am hopeful there also. I pray for him and all of our politicians. Countries are run by mere men, most of them sinful and less than faithful Still, we pray and we hope.

Your probably right that he has not changed his spots, but I think I am going to Thank God even for one tiny ray of light. Maybe it will turn into “Rivers of Light” yet. 🙂
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Well said Marie, in short what I’m saying is I would rather people have a change of heart, because maybe they’ve had their Saul on the road to Damascus day.
Rather than change to win votes, I couldn’t trust someone that changed just for that reason, and yes any change is better than none.
 
Personally, I think Kerry doesn’t like abortion, but liked it enough to get support from that bloc of voters and their money. And he felt free to speak because the election is over, and the pressure isn’t there (as much) to toe the gustopo party line.

I’m not saying he’s great or anything–Kerry is a politician first, Catholic second.

I still probably would have voted for Bush had Kerry taken a better stand on abortion, but my decision wouldn’t have been sooooo easy as it was.
 
Just saying it was a sea change! I mean, a Democrat just can’t *say *anything about the Big A! They gasped, right? It’s dogma. Wonder if this is progress, or if they’ll just beat him into political oblivion for it.

Trouble is, they already tried that "safe, legal and rare" mantra back in Clinton’s day and it’s like really rare now right? Right. They figure if you don’t want one, don’t get one. But they won’t acknowledge the pressure on women to go through with it when everyone in her life knows it’s legal, and just being legal means it’s not really that bad, right? And so much of it the result of the sexual license they also want to encourage. Then later all the embryos tossed out from fertility treatments because she can’t conceive due to scar tissue…Sin just kinda goes round and round doesn’t it.

I’m at the point where I think the Church has been right about everything all along, I just had to catch up with it.
 
We are going to hear a lot of “talk” building up to the elections of 2008; this morning several are saying aloud, Michael Moore did them in, it’s time to take back he party, blah, blah blah - now I’m hearing the talk - when I see the walk…then I’ll begin to see a light at the end of a tunnel.

Nothing makes me think tigers change their stripes and the hate, th vitriol, the pro choice voices, the filthy degrading signs in their parades and the rhetoric did what they were supposed to do as far as I was concerned. They convinced me these people were serious.
 
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Just saying it was a sea change! I mean, a Democrat just can’t *say *anything about the Big A! They gasped, right? It’s dogma. Wonder if this is progress, or if they’ll just beat him into political oblivion for it.
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Consider the elements in that crowd who gasped. Naral people. The liberal ideologues will, naturally, be scandalized by such talk. But the great majority of Democratic voters aren’t necessarily these people. Among the electorate, the sentiment is likely more pro-life, but politically ambivilent on the issue (considering other matters more pressing and abortion to be something). For many Democratic candidates, however, it would not hurt them much to be pro-life. In fact, if not a few of them believed that they would gain more support and cross over votes from doing so than what they would lose from the pro-abort advocates, then they’d probably jump ship in a heartbeat. Of course, if fundraising were less of a concern in winning elections, there could be more independence, also.
 
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chicago:
Consider the elements in that crowd who gasped. Naral people. The liberal ideologues will, naturally, be scandalized by such talk. But the great majority of Democratic voters aren’t necessarily these people. Among the electorate, the sentiment is likely more pro-life, but politically ambivilent on the issue (considering other matters more pressing and abortion to be something). For many Democratic candidates, however, it would not hurt them much to be pro-life. In fact, if not a few of them believed that they would gain more support and cross over votes from doing so than what they would lose from the pro-abort advocates, then they’d probably jump ship in a heartbeat. Of course, if fundraising were less of a concern in winning elections, there could be more independence, also.
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They wouldn’t let former govr Bob Casey speak at the Dems’ convention, when was it, 1992, because he was pro-life. They had a couple pro-abort nobodies up there instead. Right now you cannot be a candidate for any significant office as a Dem and be pro-life. The machine has been taken over by feminists and those who want their own pet vices sanctioned and so play along.

But if someone with Kerry’s stature speaks out, maybe there will be some progress finally. It’s not healthy to have only one party getting the prolife vote. Then they take it for granted.
 
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They wouldn’t let former govr Bob Casey speak at the Dems’ convention, when was it, 1992, because he was pro-life. They had a couple pro-abort nobodies up there instead.
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Who is “they”? They is not who I am referring to: the average run of the mill Democratic voter. Your they is the party elites who control the pursestrings and the public rhetoric at the national level. .
Right now you cannot be a candidate for any significant office as a Dem and be pro-life. The machine has been taken over by feminists and those who want their own pet vices sanctioned and so play along.
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At the national level, yes. But, again, at the crux of this is a campaign financing problem, mainly. It costs a lot to run those sorts of elections and to get the money, politicians fold under. Address the financing problems and you free them to be pro-life if they want. Plus, one most certainly can run and win as a pro-life Dem for any level of elected office below U.S. Senator. So that is most of the potential Democratic offices in the country. Build bottom-up and thing can change. That’s how the liberals got where they are,
But if someone with Kerry’s stature speaks out, maybe there will be some progress finally. It’s not healthy to have only one party getting the prolife vote. Then they take it for granted.
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Agreed.
 
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if Kerry wants Americans to think that Democrats don’t like abortion he can start by stopping his support for using your tax dollars on abortions for poor women (remember the debates when he said he supported this?) He can start by dropping his opposition to the most reasonable restrictions on abortion like partial-birth bans, parental consent, born alive acts, etc. Kerry has been nothing but pro-abortion his whole career. Perhaps he has changed since the election - the man flip-flops like an ornery sea bass. BUt I’m not holding my breath.
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Maybe he can tell NARAL, NOW, and Planned Parenthood to stop contributing money to his campaign, and return the donations given thus far.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Maybe he can tell NARAL, NOW, and Planned Parenthood to stop contributing money to his campaign, and return the donations given thus far.
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What I think is ironic is that United Way provides money to Planned Parenthood, and Planned Parenthood contributes to the Democratic Party! :confused:
 
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