Kids and bedtime, why is it so very hard?

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I am not really good with kids. I worked at a daycare over one summer, at which point I discovered kids and me go together like oil and water.

Anyway, sometimes I have to watch my 4 year old niece. She absolutely abhors bedtime which i absolutely cannot sympathize with. When I was a little kid I went to sleep like it was going out of style. I would fall asleep at other peoples’ houses, continue to sleep as my parents carried me to the car and put me to bed when we got home, and wake up in my room like nothing ever happened. My mother even told me that she would often look around the house for me only to find me sound asleep in bed. In short, when I was tired, I went to bed.

My niece is a different story. She stalls: “I’m thirsty”, “turn on the light”, “turn off the light”, “why are YOU still up?” etc. And she often cries and screams when she’s “over tired” I’ve often heard this word, but simply can’t grasp the concept. I can tell when she’s really tired when she just can’t sit still. She fights it with every muscle in her body.

Now, I know a lot about how kids think. I was a kid once, too. I know kids live much more “in the moment” than adults. People have told me that kids hate bedtime because it means giving up that moment in a way. They can’t appreciate that there will be a tomorrow to wake up to when they can have fun and play and do all the things they wanted to do instead of sleep the night before. However. I see things differently, and perhaps this is how I saw it as a kid, even if I couldn’t articulate it so intelligently. Being hungry is unpleasant, so you want to get rid of the hunger. How do you do it? By eating. By analogy, being sleepy is unpleasant, so you want to get rid of that feeling. How do you do it? By sleeping!

But then again, I was a weird kid. I remember back when I was in kindergarten (back when it was half a day, and I had it in the afternoon) I kept asking my mom to switch it to the morning so I could “get it over with”. Even now I don’t think that’s how kids normally think. They want to delay things as much as possible. I even remember being scared of death, even at a young age. I don’t mean simply being killed by accident or disease (although those fears did crop up at reasonable times) I mean being scared of death itself, both individual death and the end of the world, both as described in Revelations and in the various scientific theories of the end of the universe or of the death of the sun.

But I digress. Why won’t my niece just go to bed?!
 
I think getting kids in bed is a pretty universal problem. My kids don’t seem to want to sleep unless all is happy, well, and perfect. It helps to have a solid routine. Since you are watching your niece, it is out of her regular routine and she will have trouble sleeping.

It will be different with your own children.
 
Another problem might be authority. As a kid, i was very rebellious and wouldn’t do anything until I was given a satisfying rational argument for it. 😛 Anyway, I think that kids may be unpleased with having to stay in one spot for so long because someone else told them to. If you let them stay up as long as they wanted, they’d have no problem sleeping all the next day 😉
 
… I know a lot about how kids think. I was a kid once, too…
Never forget these two things:

a) **Kids are like everyone else, and they come in all kinds. **Do not think you will figure out kids any more than you will figure out the rest of humanity. You can only understand broad trends and then use clues the person throws out to discern what broad section of humanity you may possibly be working with. Do not forget that every foible of humanity was buried in us from childhood, either. It is worth learning about how kids “tick”, but just carry that same caveat as you go along. Kids, like everyone else, will always give you surprises.

For instance, most kids do not really forget that tomorrow will offer more of life’s opportunities. Rather, some of us put off bedtime because we keep thinking of one more thing to do or enjoy while it is still today. Kids who don’t like to go to bed are only like all the people who made Jay Leno and David Letterman multi-millionaires. If some adults don’t like deferring immediate enjoyment for the demands of self-care that will only be felt tomorrow, it is realistic to believe that some kids are like that, too. Honestly, it is easier to get a kid to go to bed by saying, “Yeah, it’s hard to go to bed when you can think of so many things to do” than by saying “Why don’t you want to go to bed?” When someone else is contrary, after all, most people will respond by trying to prove that they’re right and Miss Know-It-All is wrong!! You can stick to the rules that you are bound to stick to and still let the child be the ultimate authority on what she “ought” to be like.

b) You are not her parent, and so you can use methods that would spoil a child if her parents or regular caregivers were to use them on a regular basis. This is OK. You gotta have something to make up for being “not the Mama.”

When I was babysitting my youngest brother and my nieces and nephews, I used to use two main techniques. One was to let them be bores. I mean pull out the photo albums and encourage them to tell you about every picture of them. Let them skip everybody else, if they want to. Let them be experts–this is usually worth the price of admission, BTW! :D-- and lecture you on dinosaurs or what was the best episode of My Little Pony. Watch home movies of them, if they like that. Tell them stories about themselves, the interesting and funny things that happened when they were born. Encourage them to talk about themselves. If they are like most people, they aren’t likely to be that interested in hearing about you. If you let them be bores, it will lead them to believe you are a personable, fun-loving and interesting person. Tell them stories about when their parents were little kids, too, they love that. Yes, be shameless. They may see through it, but they probably won’t care.

The other thing I used to do had to do with bedtime. I would find some pretext to get the kids to run and run and run and run. Maybe I’d bet them a quarter that they couldn’t run 25 times around some course. Again: not something their parents could do, but money well spent for you. Then get them all cleaned up for bed and find something they like to do that’s quiet. No mention of bed time. Act like you don’t even care what their bedtime is. We’d usually watch some movie they liked.

They invariably fell asleep, sometimes as much as an hour before their actual bedtime. You can’t rush them off to bed, though. Let 'em get into that REM sleep. Before you know it, it will be time to go to bed, and they’ll be more than ready. If not, well, you’re the babysitter. If the kid is ready for bed and you haven’t succeeded in getting her to sleep, the parents will usually apologize to you. So don’t be too uptight about it. If you ran her really hard, she’ll probably get a great night’s sleep when she finally does drop off, and if you had all that fun, she’ll be in a pretty good mood the next day. That’s all that really matters.

And hey…if you fail, what are her parents going to do? Hire somebody else? Keep her safe from harm, and the worst they can do is decide to hire someone else next time my oil-and-water friend. That means you are in a no-lose situation, so don’t feel any need to get into a battle of wills with her. It just isn’t worth it.
 
My folks were geniuses when it came to the art of putting the five of us to bed. It all started with dad getting out his watch for a ‘race to get into your jammies’ time trial. Each night we rushed to try to beat our earlier time. Then came the story with us stacked in his lap or beside him on the couch while mom started the kitchen clean-up. Then the race to bed, followed by prayers (an Our Father, Hail Mary and Angel of God). Finally, he headed for the kitchen and returned with a tray with 5 wiskey jiggers, each filled with a swallow of ginger ale. (Nowadays, you might want the sugar free version of a beverage treat- the swalow size cup lessens the risk of kids having to get up to use the bathroom and presents them with a full glass while keeping costs down simultaneously). Once we had had our treat, the door was left an inch ajar to let the hall light in just a bit after he left.
Of course we knew better than to get up by ourselves-kids just might get a spanking in those days. But the routine made a heck of a lot of difference. Temper tantrums would not have been tolerated and in all honesty I bet I received fewer than ten spankings (all deserved0 over the course of my childhood. Once we were down, mom and dad could wrap up the dishes together free from interruption.
A favorite stuffed animal to keep the scary stuff away also helps…
Good luck!
 
My niece is a different story. She stalls: “I’m thirsty”, “turn on the light”, “turn off the light”, “why are YOU still up?” etc.

Why won’t my niece just go to bed?!
:rotfl: Oh, my goodness, you have just described me as a child! I stalled like crazy every night, and after being put to bed, I remember lying there looking at the sliver of light under the door, and hearing the sound of grown-up voices, and feeling like I was missing out on something! 😃

I really think there may be some genetic component to this … Most of my family are ‘night owls’ and I’ve always been that way, too. Even today, when I’m tired, I don’t really like going to bed early, and I’m very slow to wake up in the morning. Left to my own devices (i.e., if I didn’t have to work :)) I’d probably stay up til 12 or 1 am, and sleep til 9 am or so.

On the other hand, I have a cousin who was exactly the opposite; even as a teenager, by 8:30 she’d be getting sleepy, and she’d be up at 5:00 or 6:00 am without an alarm clock … something that’s completely foreign to me. Her mother was the same, so again that leads me to think there is something hereditary there.

FWIW 🙂
 
…I remember lying there looking at the sliver of light under the door, and hearing the sound of grown-up voices, and feeling like I was missing out on something! :D…
You know what, that may be the other thing I had going for me as a sitter! Once the kids were in bed, I would read a book. BOOOORRRRRING! Nothing to see here, folks, move along to dream land…😃
 
Is your niece just temporary and visiting or are you now her guardian? She could be difficult because she is not at home. Find out what her regular routine is. She might be needing for reassurance from you while she is going to bed. Does she need the door open a crack or a night light? These can give reassurance. Pray for patience in dealing with her as well as understanding on what to do. It can be difficult to step in a parent when you haven’t been one. Take a deep breath and you both will be ok.
 
Easter Joy’s idea bout running her ragged is another great strategy. My folks also used that when we were getting rambunctious. They’d boot us out of the house and make us run around it 5 times before we could come back in. By the time we returned inside, we’d forgotten what we were feuding over and our run had taken the top off of us.
As a side benefit, they got a few minutes of break time!
 
Easter Joy’s idea bout running her ragged is another great strategy. My folks also used that when we were getting rambunctious. They’d boot us out of the house and make us run around it 5 times before we could come back in. By the time we returned inside, we’d forgotten what we were feuding over and our run had taken the top off of us.
As a side benefit, they got a few minutes of break time!
My cousin used this trick on my brother and me when he was trapped with us on a car trip. We were talking incessantly, and it was driving him nuts. He bet us each 25 cents we couldn’t be quiet for 30 minutes. When the time was up, we had sort of gotten into “quiet” mode, and the stereo jabbering was mostly turned off for the duration of the ride. It was undoubtedly the best 50 cent investment of his entire life! 😃

Breaking up behavioral inertia that is travelling in an undesirable direction by convincing the person to substitute a different activity (aka “redirection”) is a good strategy for “problem children” of almost any age.
 
If the picture in the OP is of the OP, he looks like a fairly-young man. So this probably doesn’t apply to him. And yet, it kind of does.

Back in the old days when I was a kid (I’m 54), there really wasn’t any reason for kids to stay up late. Television wasn’t something that people watched without fail every evening. And after 8:00 p.m., “prime-time” ended, and the television shows were definitely geared towards adults. My parents wouldn’t watch them because they considered these shows too “filthy.” There were no VCRs or DVD players or computers, so kids couldn’t stay up watching endless children’s shows.

There were no “video games.” Pong came along when I was in high school, and that was the beginning of children begging to stay up to play just a little more “Pong.”

And of course, back then, once it got dark outside, there was nothing to do. Yes, there were organized sports and activities for children, but they were usually scheduled right after school, and often, they were at the school, which was within walking distance of home, because back then, many moms either didn’t drive, or if they did drive, they didn’t have access to a car until Dad got home from work. My mother didn’t learn how to drive until she was in her 50s. Kids were usually done with their “extracurriculars” by 5:00 p.m. and home for dinner.

And kids usually didn’t have more than one “extracurricular” back then. I took piano lessons, and that was it. Every evening I practiced for an hour or so (and as I got older, it was more like 2-4 hours a day). Honestly, that’s all I did until high school, when I got very involved with all the high school activities–so much fun!

Also, a lot of kids had chores that there were expected to do without fail, not because the chores were part of their upbringing and training, but because everyone had to chip in back then to keep a family going. It was just real life.

When I was a child, I think that the slower pace and regular rhythm of life made going to bed seem less like an imposition and more like a part of life. We just accepted it. Kids all went to bed earlier than their parents.

The OP looks like he is in his early 20s. So he grew up in an era when VCRs and DVDs are the norm, and when most households have a computer and use it. He also grew up in an era when children are involved in a plethora of after-school and evening activities, and children often don’t get home until 8:00 pm or even later, and then they still have homework. Often families eat out or eat take-out food. There isn’t really a “rhythm” of life that includes going to bed.

Indeed, nowadays “going to bed” disrupts all the activities, and therefore, it is seen as something to be avoided! Parents who are working often feel guilty making their children go to bed early because they have only seen their children for a few minutes–the rest of the time the child has been at school or daycare, and then involved in sports, arts, or some other activity that keeps them away from their parents.

Somehow the OPs parents must have circumvented that rat-race that is now considered the “norm” for childhood here in the U.S.

But many families–I would say most families–in the U.S., are caught up in this never-ending cycle of exhausting activities that make going to bed seem like a “coward’s way out” that prevents children and their parents from “getting everything done.”
 
You know what, that may be the other thing I had going for me as a sitter! Once the kids were in bed, I would read a book. BOOOORRRRRING! Nothing to see here, folks, move along to dream land…😃
I used to do this when I babysat. That and homework.
I was fun and interesting when the kids were awake but once bedtime hour hit, being fun and interesting stopped. I let one of the little girls watch me do homework one night because she claimed she was interested.

Yeah, that lasted a whole 5 minutes. 😃
 
I used to do this when I babysat. That and homework.
I was fun and interesting when the kids were awake but once bedtime hour hit, being fun and interesting stopped. I let one of the little girls watch me do homework one night because she claimed she was interested.

Yeah, that lasted a whole 5 minutes. 😃
Yep, all my customers LOVED me because I always just put the kids to bed when the parents said bedtime was. I guess I never got the rebellion because I simply took it for granted that when it was time for bed, that is what the kids had to do. I was kind of amazed when the parents would come home early for some reason and be shocked that the kids were in bed. “Well, you TOLD me that 9 p.m. was their bedtime!”

😉

I guess all babysitters weren’t like me.
 
I think the key to all of this is persistence and routine. Generally it is best if there is a routine before bedtime (PJs, teeth brushed, face washed, prayers, story etc.). Stick to it, night after night, so that she learns that after a certain time, it’s time to settle down for bedtime. You can adjust it for weekends/special occasions but otherwise STICK TO IT. Otherwise it’s useless.

Also, when it comes to bedtime, if she wanders out of bed, starts screaming for a drink/the toilet/anything else, address it ONLY if you think it a genuine request. Otherwise, take her back to bed, not responding at all to her, and putting her back into bed. Eventually she’ll get sick and likely fall asleep of her own accord.

You might want to consider other things too: sugary drinks are not a good idea near bedtime, and I’d limit television (or ban it completely) as well as video games/internet/any other ‘exciting’ activity. This way she’ll not get too stimulated and likely settle down more easily.
 
I guess all babysitters weren’t like me.
It is funny not just how some people seem to be born with internal authority, but how some kids will simply accept the authority of some people almost automatically. I know parents who have had three kids, and after #1 and #2, they still couldn’t understand why anyone ever had trouble getting their kids to go to bed…you tell them to go and they go, what’s the big deal? Then #3 came along and he was oblivious to their authority. Not defiant so much as just not automatically taking them seriously like #1 and #2 magically did. And then someone comes along that #3 just automatically does what this person says, no power struggle, no nothing.

People are all different, starting from birth. Go figure. 🤷
 
It is funny not just how some people seem to be born with internal authority, but how some kids will simply accept the authority of some people almost automatically. I know parents who have had three kids, and after #1 and #2, they still couldn’t understand why anyone ever had trouble getting their kids to go to bed…you tell them to go and they go, what’s the big deal? Then #3 came along and he was oblivious to their authority. Not defiant so much as just not automatically taking them seriously like #1 and #2 magically did. And then someone comes along that #3 just automatically does what this person says, no power struggle, no nothing.

People are all different, starting from birth. Go figure. 🤷
I think some of it may have to do with being a rule-follower vs. a rule-breaker. I wonder if people who have so much trouble getting their kids into a bedtime routine might have trouble with rules and routine themselves…I was always the kid who followed instructions. If I didn’t get clear instructions, I floundered. If the parents said the kids could stay up until 10 p.m., we did (usually). But if it was 9 p.m., then that was the rule. I just never tried to get away with anything, at least not while babysitting. The parents were paying me, after all.
 
I think some of it may have to do with being a rule-follower vs. a rule-breaker. I wonder if people who have so much trouble getting their kids into a bedtime routine might have trouble with rules and routine themselves…I was always the kid who followed instructions. If I didn’t get clear instructions, I floundered. If the parents said the kids could stay up until 10 p.m., we did (usually). But if it was 9 p.m., then that was the rule. I just never tried to get away with anything, at least not while babysitting. The parents were paying me, after all.
I’m guessing the kids simply sensed that they were getting nowhere with you. Dramas don’t work without an audience, and some “actors” give up the minute they sense that they’re bombing.
 
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