Kids React to Abortion

[Sarabande]

Matt Walsh doesn’t mince words, but I found this very telling both in regards to using children in order to strengthen one’s position on subjects such as gay marriage and then not using them for pro-abortion ideas. I know this would make some of my pro-abortion friends upset (especially ones who are parents), but the truth sometimes hurts.

themattwalshblog.com/2013/11/06/kids-react-to-abortion/

Where’s the “Kids React to Abortion” video? When will a left wing advocacy group produce that? Are you hesitant because you think it might hurt your cause to show children screaming in horror as a baby is mangled and slaughtered in the name of “reproductive rights”? Do you think it might not help your case to offer up footage of cute little kids having their souls crushed by the tormenting images of the death and violence you endorse and celebrate?

Yeah, you might be right.

But let’s be consistent.

At the very least, progressives, have you explained your abortion stance to your own children? That’s a serious question. How do you explain your “pro-choice” position to your own kids? How much effort and time does it take to strip them of their rational and instinctive opinion that the baby in mommy’s tummy ought to be legally protected from murder?

I hesitate to say any of this because I wouldn’t want to encourage you to turn your kids into “pro-choicers.” I weep when I think of what you people do to your children when you infect their minds with the insane cannibalistic darkness of your own heinous, godless, hateful ideology. It enrages me to think of you staring at your son or daughter and thinking, “child, you were disposable at one point in your existence.” Or does your cowardice stop you from connecting those dots? Do you suppose that every other child is a piece of trash while still in utero, but yours was a magical aberration — an actual person from its first moment of existence? I’m not sure what’s worse.

 

[JimG]

Interesting that that a pro-gay marriage group would co-opt kids in support of their cause, since if there were no mommies and daddies there could be no kids.

 

[runningdude]

I first learned of abortion when I was 12. I was horrified.

 

[CruceSignati]

Same here.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

I remember the day I found out that my mom was pro-choice, and it was nothing like the author of that piece assumes.

When I was about 10 or 11, my very antagonistic stepfather tried to start an abortion debate with me, but I had no idea what he was talking about. My mom overheard this, pulled my stepfather out of the room, had a private conversation with him, and then came into my room to talk to me.

She explained what abortion was and why it was so contentious. I asked her what her opinion was, and she said that she had always been fairly apathetic about it, but leaned to the pro-life side until she got pregnant with me. When she found out she was pregnant with a daughter she became very pro-choice, and remains so to this day. Her reasoning was that when she found out she had a daughter she realized that her daughter could someday face an unplanned pregnancy. She hoped that if I ever got pregnant as a teen that I could tell her, but if for some reason I felt like I couldn’t, she wanted me to be able to go to a safe, clean, regulated clinic instead of to some creep in a back ally with a coat hanger.

Then I asked her, point blank, if she got pregnant right then on a fluke (she was in her late-40’s) if she would abort. She teared up a little and told me that she honestly didn’t know, but it would be something that she would consider and have to think long and hard about.

I walked away from our conversation with a lot to think about. I didn’t really form an opinion on abortion until my early teens, but I knew where my mother stood and that I could talk to her and ask questions freely. She did not “celebrate” abortion. I did not see darkness in her soul. I never felt as though I was at any point ever disposable to her.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

I weep when I think of what you people do to your children when you infect their minds with the insane cannibalistic darkness of your own heinous, godless, hateful ideology.

Lines like that really don’t do anything to further the pro-life cause. My mom is one of the most loving people on the face of the earth, so throwing out lines like this, while it may fire up pro-lifers, just makes me and many others giggle.

 

[HouseArrest]

I remember the day I found out that my mom was pro-choice, and it was nothing like the author of that piece assumes.

When I was about 10 or 11, my very antagonistic stepfather tried to start an abortion debate with me, but I had no idea what he was talking about. My mom overheard this, pulled my stepfather out of the room, had a private conversation with him, and then came into my room to talk to me.

She explained what abortion was and why it was so contentious. I asked her what her opinion was, and she said that she had always been fairly apathetic about it, but leaned to the pro-life side until she got pregnant with me. When she found out she was pregnant with a daughter she became very pro-choice, and remains so to this day. Her reasoning was that when she found out she had a daughter she realized that her daughter could someday face an unplanned pregnancy. She hoped that if I ever got pregnant as a teen that I could tell her, but if for some reason I felt like I couldn’t, she wanted me to be able to go to a safe, clean, regulated clinic instead of to some creep in a back ally with a coat hanger.

Then I asked her, point blank, if she got pregnant right then on a fluke (she was in her late-40’s) if she would abort. She teared up a little and told me that she honestly didn’t know, but it would be something that she would consider and have to think long and hard about.

I walked away from our conversation with a lot to think about. I didn’t really form an opinion on abortion until my early teens, but I knew where my mother stood and that I could talk to her and ask questions freely. She did not “celebrate” abortion. I did not see darkness in her soul. I never felt as though I was at any point ever disposable to her.

That is sad.

 

[EasterJoy]

I remember the day I found out that my mom was pro-choice, and it was nothing like the author of that piece assumes.

When I was about 10 or 11, my very antagonistic stepfather tried to start an abortion debate with me, but I had no idea what he was talking about. My mom overheard this, pulled my stepfather out of the room, had a private conversation with him, and then came into my room to talk to me.

She explained what abortion was and why it was so contentious. I asked her what her opinion was, and she said that she had always been fairly apathetic about it, but leaned to the pro-life side until she got pregnant with me. When she found out she was pregnant with a daughter she became very pro-choice, and remains so to this day. Her reasoning was that when she found out she had a daughter she realized that her daughter could someday face an unplanned pregnancy. She hoped that if I ever got pregnant as a teen that I could tell her, but if for some reason I felt like I couldn’t, she wanted me to be able to go to a safe, clean, regulated clinic instead of to some creep in a back ally with a coat hanger.

Then I asked her, point blank, if she got pregnant right then on a fluke (she was in her late-40’s) if she would abort. She teared up a little and told me that she honestly didn’t know, but it would be something that she would consider and have to think long and hard about.

I walked away from our conversation with a lot to think about. I didn’t really form an opinion on abortion until my early teens, but I knew where my mother stood and that I could talk to her and ask questions freely. She did not “celebrate” abortion. I did not see darkness in her soul. I never felt as though I was at any point ever disposable to her.

Sure, it is better to be sad than to be apathetic or defiant when you realize you are willing to tolerate or cooperate with injustice, but from the vantage point of the object of the injustice, it is not a huge difference. Slaves don’t feel all that much better to know their “owners” feel bad about enslaving them. Jews wouldn’t feel much better to know that neighbors who turned them into the Nazis “felt bad” about doing it. Women don’t feel all that much better to know that their employer is paying them unfairly or discriminating against them unfairly, but feel bad about it. Likewise, neither an unborn child nor anyone trying to defend that child is going to be all that impressed with those who “feel bad” about abortion but would go through with it, anyway. Sure, it is better to know that someone did what they did to you because they weren’t courageous enough to do what was right, that they would rather not have harmed you, but that doesn’t take away the harm itself.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Sure, it is better to be sad than to be apathetic or defiant when you realize you are willing to tolerate or cooperate with injustice, but from the vantage point of the object of the injustice, it is not a huge difference. Slaves don’t feel all that much better to know their “owners” feel bad about enslaving them. Jews wouldn’t feel much better to know that neighbors who turned them into the Nazis “felt bad” about doing it. Women don’t feel all that much better to know that their employer is paying them unfairly or discriminating against them unfairly. Likewise, neither an unborn child nor anyone trying to defend that child is going to be all that impressed with those who “feel bad” about abortion but would go through with it, anyway. Sure, it is better to know that someone did what they did to you because they weren’t courageous enough to do what was right, that they would rather not have harmed you, but that doesn’t take away the harm itself.

I’m not really here to argue my mom’s abortion stance (or my own, for that matter). I was just sharing my experience of having a pro-choice mother, and how it differed from what the author assumed I would have experienced, heard, or felt.

 

[EasterJoy]

Lines like that really don’t do anything to further the pro-life cause. My mom is one of the most loving people on the face of the earth, so throwing out lines like this, while it may fire up pro-lifers, just makes me and many others giggle.

Giggle? That line wouldn’t make many people, pro-choice or pro-life, “giggle”.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Giggle? That line wouldn’t make many people, pro-choice or pro-life, “giggle”.

It made me giggle, it made my husband chuckle and roll his eyes, and I’m sure that it would make others react similarly.

None of those words fit my mom. Heck, none of those words fit my SIL, who has actually had an abortion (and is also the mother of 4 other happy, healthy kids).

So many pro-choice people are just not the child-hating, angry caricatures that so many like to paint them as, and many choose to laugh at the over the top language used by those types of people rather than get angry about it.

 

[RACJ]

God bless your courage, Matt Walsh!! Rob

 

[RACJ]

I’m not really here to argue my mom’s abortion stance (or my own, for that matter). I was just sharing my experience of having a pro-choice mother, and how it differed from what the author assumed I would have experienced, heard, or felt.

If a baby’s life has no value, then neither do our own. We are nothing more than they (pre-born infants) are. A pro-abortion position is a rationalized one.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

If a baby’s life has no value, then neither do our own. We are nothing more than they (pre-born infants) are. A pro-abortion position is a rationalized one.

Obviously, I respectfully disagree.

 

[Iron_Donkey]

Lines like that really don’t do anything to further the pro-life cause. My mom is one of the most loving people on the face of the earth, so throwing out lines like this, while it may fire up pro-lifers, just makes me and many others giggle.

I agree about this last line. Don’t get me wrong, abortion absolutely is child murder. But the evil of abortion is insidious, in that those who support it, for the most part, don’t realize what it is or somehow wall it off and support abortion to attempt to solve issues that are in fact real things that need careful handling (it’s just that that handling can’t involve child murder).

In short, we have to remember that most people are in fact people of good will trying to do what they think is right, and statements like this last one are often read (even if they don’t explicitly say) as claiming that abortion supporters are consciously and knowingly seeking evil for their own convenience.

Of course, abortion is seeking evil for convenience (sometimes for the woman, sometimes for the person(s) who is coercing her into getting one), but we ought to make this clear rather than assuming that everyone knows and some people just don’t care. We ought to make it clear that abortion is murdering a child, and then go from there to saying that murdering a child is not a valid solution to any problem, no matter how trivial or serious.

Which is why I think the main thrust of the article, if not the last line, can actually be a powerful tool, if people can be persuaded to think about it. What would a child think if abortion was stripped of rhetoric from both sides and simply presented without explanation? Tell little Johnny that he has a sister growing in his mommy’s tummy, and then have him watch a partial birth abortion procedure?

There may be ways to explain it to a teen to make it sound like it’s about feeling comfortable, having options, etc, without really talking all that much about what is really going on, but the stark reality strips all of that away. One can attempt to justify anything, and if we don’t talk too much about what we’re actually doing we can get pretty far, but we have to remember that before we start mentioning all of the problems that a thing can “solve” that we have to look at the thing itself, clearly and isolated, and see what it is.

 

[JackieO123]

I have 6 other siblings. 4 of them died in the womb due to miscarriage. Abortion is murder, no matter how much someone tries to sweeten their words. Nazis led ‘normal’ lives, yet they also supported the murder of Jews, Political dissidents, homosexuals, and even a few Christians. It doesn’t make murder any more acceptable just because someone acts normal or has reluctance or still goes through with it. Murder is murder. I’m not sure about any ‘pro-choicers’ but a baby’s life is precious. In the womb or not.

 

[Auntie_A]

I agree about this last line. Don’t get me wrong, abortion absolutely is child murder. But the evil of abortion is insidious, in that those who support it, for the most part, don’t realize what it is or somehow wall it off and support abortion to attempt to solve issues that are in fact real things that need careful handling (it’s just that that handling can’t involve child murder).

In short, we have to remember that most people are in fact people of good will trying to do what they think is right, and statements like this last one are often read (even if they don’t explicitly say) as claiming that abortion supporters are consciously and knowingly seeking evil for their own convenience.

Of course, abortion is seeking evil for convenience (sometimes for the woman, sometimes for the person(s) who is coercing her into getting one), but we ought to make this clear rather than assuming that everyone knows and some people just don’t care. We ought to make it clear that abortion is murdering a child, and then go from there to saying that murdering a child is not a valid solution to any problem, no matter how trivial or serious.

Which is why I think the main thrust of the article, if not the last line, can actually be a powerful tool, if people can be persuaded to think about it. What would a child think if abortion was stripped of rhetoric from both sides and simply presented without explanation? Tell little Johnny that he has a sister growing in his mommy’s tummy, and then have him watch a partial birth abortion procedure?

There may be ways to explain it to a teen to make it sound like it’s about feeling comfortable, having options, etc, without really talking all that much about what is really going on, but the stark reality strips all of that away. One can attempt to justify anything, and if we don’t talk too much about what we’re actually doing we can get pretty far, but we have to remember that before we start mentioning all of the problems that a thing can “solve” that we have to look at the thing itself, clearly and isolated, and see what it is.

Thanks for a thoughtful response, even if your words make someone “feel uncomfortable”. One of the problems indeed is the focus on feelings rather than thinking and truth. The rationalizations are always able to spring up around acts that are inherently wrong. Yet at present our world has reams of people who just want to FEEL COMFORTABLE and who want to avoid THINKING about what is truly RIGHT and WRONG I

It’s kind of like the Wizard of Oz book where the Emerald City is green because everyone wears green glasses, and if you take off your glasses and discover the truth, something is wrong with you and not the Emerald City. Or the Emperor’s New Clothes where the Emperor’s new tailors have gone to great lengths to pretend they are sewing gorgeous new clothes (a “new morality”) and to inform everyone in town of how beautiful the Emperor’s new clothes are going to be (“We don’t want to be ‘haters’ now, do we?”), only to have that little child see the naked Emperor so clearly. No wonder they want to indoctrinate kids as soon as they can; their vision is usually freer of rationalizations.

 

[Sarabande]

While I agreed with most of what Matt Walsh wrote and I like his straight-forward writing style, I did think that particular last line which has been pointed out was a little over-the-top, knowing many people who are pro-abortion and aren’t necessarily dark, evil people. These people are shaped by their own life journeys and have grown, for whatever reason, to believe that abortion is fine and good. I do know a few who are pretty cold and dark about it and that line would fit them perfectly, but most I know aren’t like that. As Iron Donkey pointed out, I think most people are inherently good and those I know who support abortion think they are supporting something good to help women. Why or how they came to believe that an unborn child does not have the right to life as someone who is born does, more than likely did not originate from nefarious reasons.

As a child of parents in the medical profession, I grew up learning about the body, diseases, how the body functions, etc. in a more clinical manner than most people. I devoured my father’s medical library, especially the books with photos. (Look at a book with picture after picture of people suffering from practically every kind of venereal disease you can think of, it sure would make you think twice about sleeping around.) When I first became aware of abortion around 12 or 13, my parents pretty much described the process fairly clinically and in graphic detail. They didn’t try to “soften the blow” of what actually happens. They didn’t bring in our Catholic faith nor the question of morality of it when they initially described the various ways an abortion could be done, and I think that was a smart thing to do. When I asked what they thought of it and if they thought if it was right or wrong, I was answered with a question of what I thought? No other words could describe what I felt, but being horrified. I couldn’t believe that anyone could do that to baby. It seemed so backward, gruesome and barbaric. Later in high school and university, as I came to see the reasons why many women and girls chose to have abortion, I could understand how some of these women came to their decisions, especially in cases of rape or incest, even though it still didn’t justify killing those babies. So although I stayed a staunch supporter for the rights of the unborn, I softened my judgements about many of the women and girls who went through it. After a miscarriage scare with my first child and seeing her heart beating at only 8 1/2 weeks gestation with an internal ultrasound, it was even more obvious to me, scientifically, to not see that little child growing in me as anything less than a human being who had the right to life as much as anyone else.

Again, I agree with Iron Donkey about the main point of the article. If a child was shown the different ways of abortion of a baby or at least have it described in graphic, clinical detail without going into the morality or immorality of the act, what would that child think? Could a pro-abortion group use the “wisdom of children” to get support for abortion like they do for various other ideals? If so, how? If now, why? Things to think about it on both sides of the issue.

 

[Sarabande]

I have to add in case the thread does go on for a few pages, as the OP I hope the discussion can continue in a civilised and charitable manner whether or not we agree. I know that this definitely can be an emotionally-charged topic, but discussion on this is very important and much better when you can have differences in opinion. I will do my best as well to not let emotions get the best of me.

 

[moon1234]

I remember the day I found out that my mom was pro-choice, and it was nothing like the author of that piece assumes.

When I was about 10 or 11, my very antagonistic stepfather tried to start an abortion debate with me, but I had no idea what he was talking about. My mom overheard this, pulled my stepfather out of the room, had a private conversation with him, and then came into my room to talk to me.

She explained what abortion was and why it was so contentious. I asked her what her opinion was, and she said that she had always been fairly apathetic about it, but leaned to the pro-life side until she got pregnant with me. When she found out she was pregnant with a daughter she became very pro-choice, and remains so to this day. Her reasoning was that when she found out she had a daughter she realized that her daughter could someday face an unplanned pregnancy. She hoped that if I ever got pregnant as a teen that I could tell her, but if for some reason I felt like I couldn’t, she wanted me to be able to go to a safe, clean, regulated clinic instead of to some creep in a back ally with a coat hanger.

Then I asked her, point blank, if she got pregnant right then on a fluke (she was in her late-40’s) if she would abort. She teared up a little and told me that she honestly didn’t know, but it would be something that she would consider and have to think long and hard about.

I walked away from our conversation with a lot to think about. I didn’t really form an opinion on abortion until my early teens, but I knew where my mother stood and that I could talk to her and ask questions freely. She did not “celebrate” abortion. I did not see darkness in her soul. I never felt as though I was at any point ever disposable to her.

Replace pregnancy with elderly who can no longer function or with accident victim who can no longer function. Do we have the right, ever, to decide to kill another human being. A pregnancy is NOT part of a woman’s body. If you want a better analogy it is more of a parasite that requires the host to live until it matures. Trying to “lovingly” discern whether to kill another human being is ALWAYS a dark and evil thought. A “Woman’s Decision” to decide to kill another person should never be looked at with anything but horror.

Imagine if a dog was impregnated by the neighbors mut. Peopel would have a nutty if they learned the female dog owner decided to have the vet kill the unborn pups.

Abortion is ALWAYS and EVERY time murder. I find people who rationalize that fact away to be very scary people and also people to avoid for if they would consider murdering their own child, they might consider murdering me or my children under the “right circumstances”.