Kids React to Abortion

[EasterJoy]

I’m not really here to argue my mom’s abortion stance (or my own, for that matter). I was just sharing my experience of having a pro-choice mother, and how it differed from what the author assumed I would have experienced, heard, or felt.

It made me giggle, it made my husband chuckle and roll his eyes, and I’m sure that it would make others react similarly.

None of those words fit my mom. Heck, none of those words fit my SIL, who has actually had an abortion (and is also the mother of 4 other happy, healthy kids).

So many pro-choice people are just not the child-hating, angry caricatures that so many like to paint them as, and many choose to laugh at the over the top language used by those types of people rather than get angry about it.

My issue isn’t even that you take a moral stance that is diametrically opposed to that of the Church. My issue is that you can be flippant about such a serious issue of justice. Don’t you see? If abortion is not a matter of taking away the right of a real child to live, then of course it is still a matter of the most personal decision a woman can possibly make. People who wrongly think that a child is not a child until birth at least make sense to me. If you don’t think there is a child there who has rights, how can you not then see that what remains is a woman who has rights?

Honestly, I’m totally against abortion, and the language he elected to use made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It was getting very close to demonizing the opposition–not what they think or how misguided they are, but who they are as persons. It is way too far from “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do” and instead closer to “I hate Germans, they’re all dirty haters who want to kill us all, I wish I were in the war so I could shoot every mother’s son of them”.

I do not mean that the original post is so violent, but you seem to think that language like that is meaningless, simply because of how far you believe it to be off the mark. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[moon1234]

Obviously, I respectfully disagree.

People wonder how the German people stood by while their neighbors and friends were disappeared. THIS mindset is what allows it. It is NOT a Catholic mindset and is one of old scratch’s way of devaluing life.

All that comes to mind is a well dressed soldier holding a gun at someones head, telling them “I really don’t want to do this.” and then shooting him. Then the soldiers friends telling others "He really is a nice guy. When you rationalize away that what is being done is murder, then people can do MANY things that they otherwise would not.

 

[moon1234]

My issue isn’t even that you take a moral stance that is diametrically opposed to that of the Church. My issue is that you can be flippant about such a serious issue of justice. Don’t you see? If abortion is not a matter of taking away the right of a real child to live, then of course it is still a matter of the most personal decision a woman can possibly make. People who wrongly think that a child is not a child until birth at least make sense to me. If you don’t think there is a child there who has rights, how can you not then see that what remains is a woman who has rights?

Honestly, I’m totally against abortion, and the language he elected to use made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It was getting very close to demonizing the opposition–not what they think or how misguided they are, but who they are as persons. It is way too far from “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do” and instead closer to “I hate Germans, they’re all dirty haters who want to kill us all, I wish I were in the war so I could shoot every mother’s son of them”.

I do not mean that the original post is so violent, but you seem to think that language like that is meaningless, simply because of how far you believe it to be off the mark. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I think the German quote was from me. I always point it out because the generation of Germans that were part of the Hitler youth went through a very specific conditioning and education so that when they became adults they would see those people that were NOT Germans as sub-human. No better than talking animals.

It is what allowed many of them to commit such brutal acts of genocide without even a thought that what they were doing was wrong or improper. Many at the Nuremburg trials openly admitted that they felt no remorse as they did not see those that they murdered as human.

It is this mindset that I am trying to point out that is very pervasive on the pro-choice side. They do not see an unborn child as human. If they were forced to see an unborn child as a human person then they would have to admit that what they are doing is committing murder.

 

[IBombAtomically]

She explained what abortion was and why it was so contentious.

You may not remember since it was so long ago, but I am wondering what she told you an abortion was, and how she described it to you. Would you mind relating it?

For the record, I’m not trying to set you up for an argument, but I’d be interested to consider what role language played in your opinion. Thank you!

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

You have no idea how disappointed I was when I opened this thread. First, to find out that no one has made such a video. Second, to find out it was a Matt Walsh article. For real, that dude is beginning to grate on me. There’s an underlying nastiness and bitterness to every article I’ve read by him.

Oh well. Maybe someone will be inspired enough to make a “kids react” video to this.

 

[Sarabande]

haha! Sorry you were disappointed. Point taken, though. He can be abrasive and very to-the-point without mincing words. That’s NOT how I am, but I appreciate someone willing to just speak his/her mind freely, whether or not I agree with what they are saying. That said, I do agree with a lot that he speaks out against or supports. Maybe not in how he presents it sometimes. Sometimes it can be grating and inappropriate and sometimes I do think harshness is needed. (I have a best friend who is pretty liberal, a feminist, and is not crazy about his blogs either, especially his stance on abortion and family, but she just posted his most recent blog about shopping on Thanksgiving. Worth the read.) I do think for most of the article, he was on point. His last line was inappropriate and he could have stopped before writing that, but it’s a blog and the etiquette rules are different.

It would be interesting what the reactions would be if someone made a “kids react” video, but I don’t think anyone would because if they showed the graphic side of it with what actually happens before and after the abortion, the reactions would more than likely not be good. I watched the kids react video on gay marriage and it was made to be upbeat, positive, cute, sweet and happy. You can’t make an abortion video look cute to a kid and make them feel good and positive, especially if the video is supposed to be made without moral commentary to the viewer. I think that was part of Walsh’s point. People who use the “wisdom and insight” of children to promote an ideal and belief, more than likely can’t use that same wisdom and insight to promote abortion. The other video had children as young as 5. How do you show something like abortion to a 5-year-old and explain to them what is going on and make them think that it is ok? Having a 3-year-old, I can picture my girl asking me questions like the ones he proposed, as she has asked questions on other subjects in a similar fashion and it can be difficult to answer. A 12-year-old would be different. They probably wouldn’t ask questions like he wrote as I did not when I found out what abortion was from my parents. The conversation would be different. But he has small children, so was probably thinking from that part of his parenting experience.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

You may not remember since it was so long ago, but I am wondering what she told you an abortion was, and how she described it to you. Would you mind relating it?

For the record, I’m not trying to set you up for an argument, but I’d be interested to consider what role language played in your opinion. Thank you!

My mom is a very gentle but honest person, so I’m sure those two sides of her struggled with this conversation. (I’d also like to mention that she really didn’t want her 10 year old to be concerned with abortion in the first place).

But to answer your question, she wasn’t overly graphic, and I didn’t ask questions that would have required her to be. She was very serious and somber about the whole discussion, and told me that a lot of people have strong feelings on both sides, and that some people have conflicting feelings, and that that was ok. She stressed that abortion is something that we should be sad about, because regardless of when life begins, it means that a woman is in a very difficult place in life if that’s a decision that she has to make.

On the issue of whether or not its a baby, I really don’t remember if she shared her views on that. She was really just trying to address my questions and I don’t think I asked anything along those lines.

When I was a bit older and starting to form my own opinions it was one of those philosophical things we’d discuss in the car, so I later learned her views.

One thing about my mom that I love and appreciate is that she has never told me what to think, but she has challenged my views, played devils advocate, and asked pretty difficult questions in order to teach me how to look at information, analyze it, and think for myself. Not only was that good parenting, it kept me from thinking, believing, or saying things out of rebellion, since I knew it wouldn’t work. She raised me religiously, of course, that was never up for debate, and I know it crushes her that I’m no longer religious, but she’s still my loving and supportive mom. (And she’s still attempting to challenge those beliefs )

As a side note: can you tell that I love my mom, think she’s the sweetest woman in the world, am amazed with her intellect, and count her as one of my best friends?

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

haha! Sorry you were disappointed. Point taken, though. He can be abrasive and very to-the-point without mincing words. That’s NOT how I am, but I appreciate someone willing to just speak his/her mind freely, whether or not I agree with what they are saying. That said, I do agree with a lot that he speaks out against or supports. Maybe not in how he presents it sometimes. Sometimes it can be grating and inappropriate and sometimes I do think harshness is needed. (I have a best friend who is pretty liberal, a feminist, and is not crazy about his blogs either, especially his stance on abortion and family, but she just posted his most recent blog about shopping on Thanksgiving. Worth the read.) I do think for most of the article, he was on point. His last line was inappropriate and he could have stopped before writing that, but it’s a blog and the etiquette rules are different.

It would be interesting what the reactions would be if someone made a “kids react” video, but I don’t think anyone would because if they showed the graphic side of it with what actually happens before and after the abortion, the reactions would more than likely not be good. I watched the kids react video on gay marriage and it was made to be upbeat, positive, cute, sweet and happy. You can’t make an abortion video look cute to a kid and make them feel good and positive, especially if the video is supposed to be made without moral commentary to the viewer. I think that was part of Walsh’s point. People who use the “wisdom and insight” of children to promote an ideal and belief, more than likely can’t use that same wisdom and insight to promote abortion. The other video had children as young as 5. How do you show something like abortion to a 5-year-old and explain to them what is going on and make them think that it is ok? Having a 3-year-old, I can picture my girl asking me questions like the ones he proposed, as she has asked questions on other subjects in a similar fashion and it can be difficult to answer. A 12-year-old would be different. They probably wouldn’t ask questions like he wrote as I did not when I found out what abortion was from my parents. The conversation would be different. But he has small children, so was probably thinking from that part of his parenting experience.

Good points. A “kids react to abortion” video would likely be inappropriate as you say. Perhaps instead there could be a kids react to newborns video or… I’m trying to think of a way to phrase this, kids reacting to a mommy and daddy deciding to have a baby or welcoming a baby into the world.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Good points. A “kids react to abortion” video would likely be inappropriate as you say. Perhaps instead there could be a kids react to newborns video or… I’m trying to think of a way to phrase this, kids reacting to a mommy and daddy deciding to have a baby or welcoming a baby into the world.

Or kids reacting to a mom’s sonogram.

Except for being pregnant with my oldest, my children always came to sonograms.

When I was expecting DD, she was in an awkward position, and her heart wasn’t very clear. My son started to speak, and she reacted to his voice, turning around.

 

[Sarabande]

Or kids reacting to a mom’s sonogram.

Except for being pregnant with my oldest, my children always came to sonograms.

When I was expecting DD, she was in an awkward position, and her heart wasn’t very clear. My son started to speak, and she reacted to his voice, turning around.

Oh, my goodness!!! That is so precious. My daughter wasn’t even 2 yet when we went to our first sonogram. She sort of got was going on, not realizing that what she was seeing was her brother inside of me. I liked taking her to my checkups that didn’t involve internals. She got to listen to his heartbeat which she loved. It made more sense to her when she was able to feel him move inside of me.

A “kids react” to a sonogram would be interesting, especially the 3D ones that they have now. I do think any “kids react” video should be without prodding or commentary either way, whether or not it will support our stance.

 

[Sarabande]

My mom is a very gentle but honest person, so I’m sure those two sides of her struggled with this conversation. (I’d also like to mention that she really didn’t want her 10 year old to be concerned with abortion in the first place).

But to answer your question, she wasn’t overly graphic, and I didn’t ask questions that would have required her to be. She was very serious and somber about the whole discussion, and told me that a lot of people have strong feelings on both sides, and that some people have conflicting feelings, and that that was ok. She stressed that abortion is something that we should be sad about, because regardless of when life begins, it means that a woman is in a very difficult place in life if that’s a decision that she has to make.

On the issue of whether or not its a baby, I really don’t remember if she shared her views on that. She was really just trying to address my questions and I don’t think I asked anything along those lines.

When I was a bit older and starting to form my own opinions it was one of those philosophical things we’d discuss in the car, so I later learned her views.

One thing about my mom that I love and appreciate is that she has never told me what to think, but she has challenged my views, played devils advocate, and asked pretty difficult questions in order to teach me how to look at information, analyze it, and think for myself. Not only was that good parenting, it kept me from thinking, believing, or saying things out of rebellion, since I knew it wouldn’t work. She raised me religiously, of course, that was never up for debate, and I know it crushes her that I’m no longer religious, but she’s still my loving and supportive mom. (And she’s still attempting to challenge those beliefs )

As a side note: can you tell that I love my mom, think she’s the sweetest woman in the world, am amazed with her intellect, and count her as one of my best friends?

I think you have a great mom there and I can tell she taught you how to think and loved you very much. Even though we probably disagree in regards to abortion, I do think you have intelligent, well-thought out ideas. I appreciate that.

 

[Estevao]

Why haven’t leftists made a “kids react to ____” video for abortion? Probably for the same reason that the Nazis didn’t make a “die jugend reagieren auf _____” for their anti-semitic policies. First they had to brainwash them that the Jews were inferior and unworthy of life. Before then it might be “too inappropriate” to learn what kids think about de-humanization.