Killing Jesus movie

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I haven’t seen any Catholic reviews on the Killing Jesus movie airing on Palm Sunday, based on the book by Bill O’Reilly. I heard that both the book (and the movie) take the perspective as Jesus as a man and downplay his divinity, and the viewer is supposed to decide for himself. It’s supposed to be a historical view and even his miracles aren’t higlighted. I haven’t read the book but my husband had and he discussed this with our Catholic Bible facilitator and she thought it was Gnostic. My question is, would this be sinful to watch?
 
I’d say no. I hope to see it. Of course I will turn it off if there is anything blatantly heretical in it, Our Mother not being sinless or something.
 
I am reading the book now, and find it fascinating. I heard an interview with Bill O’Reilly by Raymond Arroyo and Bill states this is not a religious book. It is not intended to be, it is a history book. It is well researched and extensively footnoted and the historical details about the Roman Empire and the development of the political atmosphere in Judea at that time, and the life of the Jews and their practice of religion, and Jesus is awesome. It is not along the lines of the “Jesus Seminar”, where doubt is sown and the authors have an agenda. It just presents the historical facts as found in his research. I am learning a lot.

My local Barnes and Noble has it filed under “Religion”, which is an error. It belongs with his other books, Killing Lincoln and Killing Kennedy in the History aisle.

So don’t read it expecting to find spiritual commentary or religious intention or the author’s bias about Jesus. (He is a practicing Roman Catholic). Read it as it was written–a history book which is extremely well-documented.

You can go to the EWTN site on You-tube and find the interview dated 11/17/13 and listen to the author and Raymond Arroyo. Then you won’t have to listen to all sorts of uninformed comments.

BTW, if the religion teacher calls this book gnostic, she obviously has no idea what gnosticism is, IMO.
 
I do not think reading the book or seeing the movie is sinful.

The book was an enjoyable read for me. It was intended as a history.
 
I read the Killing Jesus book and as another poster said, it’s a history book, not a religious book. It’s well written and is a fascinating look at the times when Jesus and the Apostles walked the earth. It delves into little known facts about the lives of the people who were in Jesus’ life and how things were done back then.
 
I did see the EWTN interview. But what I’m saying, and I believe Bill O’Reilly stated that He is only viewed as a man, and it’s up to you to say He was divine. I believe too that some of the events in the Gospel re ex.the earthquake that occurred was not included because it couldn’t be proved in a historical sense. And in the movie I heard that His miracles are glossed over. In otherwords, just a fascinating story about a good and holy man. I may watch this, however even though Mel Gibsons a Passion is graphic, think I will watch this rather than that movie. I’m presently reading Life of Christ by Bishop Sheen and he also states a lot of historical facts of how people lived at that time, the rules the Jews lived by, etc. but yet doesn’t diminish Jesus as divine. I think I’d prefer the book I’m reading.
 
I read the book also and am looking forward to watching the movie. I’ve already have it set to record.
 
I’ll see it if I at all can.

I don’t expect any religious uplift, as OR made it clear that the book is not religious, and he avoided any religious statements in it (ie, our LORD’s “body disappeared” rather than He was raised).

I’d still like to see how it handles the story of HIM.

ICXC NIKA
 
I watched the movie and found nothing offensive in it from a Catholic view point. I don’t think it was as good as all the hype about it. It was enjoyable and told, I think, from a more political rather than a spiritual point of view.
 
Isn’t this the same author, the one that did not understand the tides? The tides roll in, the tides roll out, can’t explain that…
Fascinating indeed.
 
I haven’t seen any Catholic reviews on the Killing Jesus movie airing on Palm Sunday, based on the book by Bill O’Reilly. I heard that both the book (and the movie) take the perspective as Jesus as a man and downplay his divinity, and the viewer is supposed to decide for himself. It’s supposed to be a historical view and even his miracles aren’t higlighted. I haven’t read the book but my husband had and he discussed this with our Catholic Bible facilitator and she thought it was Gnostic. My question is, would this be sinful to watch?
A little nitpick but I think ‘gnostic’ is the wrong word to use here. If Killing Jesus really was gnostic, Jesus shouldn’t even have been a human being at all. (Heck, the title would even be meaningless; many gnostics believed that since Jesus did not have a real, physical body in the first place He can’t really be killed. It was an illusory Jesus or someone else who was crucified.)

‘Sinful’? No. Sure, some might find a few of the portrayals unfamiliar or discomforting for some viewers, but I found nothing majorly objectionable with it.
 
I watched the film on Sunday, and I was not aware it was based on Bill O’reilly’s book. I have not read the book, so I can’t read say it matches it well 😃

In my review, I will comment on one positive part of the film, and then one negative part, and so on.

Positive: I enjoyed how Jesus and His Mother had a very close relationship ( I liked the scene when Christ says “Mother, I so longed for you!”). I also liked how the movie put an emphasis on Jesus’s non-pacifist sounding sayings. Many people picture Jesus as a spiritual hippy, yet we read him saying phrases such as “the Son of Man came not with peace, but with a sword,” and “I’ve come to separate father from son, and mother from daughter,” which complicate and contradicts that viewpoint. The movie seems to bring those aspects of Jesus back into public consciousness, which is a good thing. The movie even presents Jesus angrily driving out the money changers and their merchandise (the Rock even wrestles with a couple of guys 😉 ).

Negative: However, the movie seems to bring these more “violent” aspects of Jesus’s personality in order to validate a certain viewpoint (popular with intellectual scum such as the infamous “Jesus” Seminar) which sees Jesus as a social reformer who is fighting against the “traditionalist” and “oppressive” hierarchy at the time. Notice that it’s proponents tend to be the ones obsessed with social activism, and live in a culture that values it. In the movie, for example, Jesus says he “shall destroy the Temple and in three days rebuild it” in a context which makes it seem as though he was trying to start a rebellion. Scripture is quite blunt that he was talking about the Temple of his body, however the movie leaves that out, an shows Jesus leading a sort of small riot. The Priests are even painted as being motivated by the fear of another fake messiah who will create another rebellion that will be crushed, leaving the Jewish people with broken hearts to be punished by the Romans yet again (this might be true, but the Priests were also motivated by other, less virtuous reasons too).
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However, the saying about the Temple might be regarded as one understood in retrospect. To those first hearing it, they might have truly believed Jesus was planning to undermine the Temple, and thus could have reacted with rioting (although, since the Jews loved the Temple, I doubt it).

Jesus was a Jew, who followed the Law, and came not to rebel against it, but rather to fulfill it. He might have been against the actions of persons in the office of the Priesthood, but he was definitely not against the office itself: he says that the Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, and should be obeyed in everything but sin (notice how similar that line of reasoning is to the Catholic distinction between the person of the Pope and the office itself: just because the person is corrupt doesn’t mean that the office is). Jesus believed in tradition, which he passes on through his Apostles and their Successors to this day.

Positive: In the riot scene I mentioned earlier, Jesus might be seem as being tempted to start a rebellion like the other false messiahs, and seek worldly power, but sucessfully resists the temptation in the end. St. Paul teaches that Christ was tempted in every way, but was without sin. Also, notice the parallels between this scene and the temptation in the desert, where Satan promises Jesus all the power in the world. I think this is a good reminder that when we ask Christ for help in resisting sin, we’re asking a man who has actual experience with the temptation, but has never fallen to it. When we ask Jesus to give us Grace to resist, he is actually resisting the temptation with us (we are his body, after all).

Negative: The film makes Judas look a little too sympathetic. I’m also trying to find out why the artists added the whole goat herder rope trading scene into the movie.

Neutral: The emphasis on Herod’s son and his female relationships, on one hand, seem like they were put in the movie in order to have some kind of sexual content, which is just pandering to our pelvic-worshiping culture. On the other hand, the characters obsessed with sex are the antagonists, and are painted in a bad light :confused:

Positive: I enjoyed the costumes and staging (I, for some reason, was drawn to the high priests’ outfits 😃 ).

Negative: The exorcism scene seemed cheesy, and it came off as far too sentimental. I prefer Chesterton’s description of Jesus the Exorcist as “a calm, buisness-like lion tamer.” 🙂

Positive: The film include the Christmas story! (Modern scholars like to unfairly dismiss the story as “myth” :mad: yet they do not know what “myth” really is, anyway).

Negative: The clear Evangical bias, especially at the end ot the movie. There are no resurrection appearances, but instead we have St. Peter having a sort of emotional “born again” moment at the end. Notice how Jesus and his disciples also do not Baptise at all (he does, in passing, mention being born again, but he doesn’t connect that with Baptism at all). I think the movie is supporting this dangerously false theology.

Overall, the film Killing Jesus is a curiosity, but it still seems to try to carve a lesser Christ out of the true Christ (everyone does this, but the movie does it possibly to fit certain false theories regarding Jesus) I wouldn’t buy the movie though. There are some parts of the film that might be intended to be interpreted unorthodoxly, but, if the movie is to be said to present a heretical view of Jesus, it is really only in the sense that it presents an incomplete view of Jesus (and one viewed with cultural biases). If you are looking for a spiritual movie about Jesus’s crucifixion, I recommend Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ first.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
I personally want to see it so I can see what else he does not know or care about science.
 
I personally want to see it so I can see what else he does not know or care about science.
You’d be disappointed, as the film, like other films about our human LORD, raises no scientific issues whatsoever.

ICXC NIKA
 
I don’t know if anyone is still reading this thread but I just watched part of it and I want to talk about it.
I’d say no. I hope to see it. Of course I will turn it off if there is anything blatantly heretical in it, Our Mother not being sinless or something.
I don’t know if this counts as implying that Mary is not sinless. When Joseph tells Mary that they need to flee to Egypt, she complains and argues until he snaps and says, “Enough!” I can’t imagine her arguing about it or Joseph snapping at her, but is any of this heresy?

I don’t know if the book is like this, but there are some things that are blatantly wrong in it. Elizabeth and Zechariah flee to Egypt with Mary and Joseph. (I can’t quite figure this one out. I guess it’s because they didn’t want Herod to kill John the Baptist? Why were they in Bethlehem, though?)

I need to keep watching the movie to see where they go with this, but it seems that Jesus has no idea what He’s doing at the beginning of his public ministry. This is a heresy, correct? For example, he goes to the river Jordan with the purpose of reconnecting with his cousin John the Baptist. When John recognizes Jesus as the Lamb of God, Jesus is confused as to why John knows who He is. This might be enough to prevent me from continuing to watch the movie. We shall see….
 
I don’t know if anyone is still reading this thread but I just watched part of it and I want to talk about it.

I don’t know if this counts as implying that Mary is not sinless. When Joseph tells Mary that they need to flee to Egypt, she complains and argues until he snaps and says, “Enough!” I can’t imagine her arguing about it or Joseph snapping at her, but is any of this heresy?

I don’t know if the book is like this, but there are some things that are blatantly wrong in it. Elizabeth and Zechariah flee to Egypt with Mary and Joseph. (I can’t quite figure this one out. I guess it’s because they didn’t want Herod to kill John the Baptist? Why were they in Bethlehem, though?)

I need to keep watching the movie to see where they go with this, but it seems that Jesus has no idea what He’s doing at the beginning of his public ministry. This is a heresy, correct? For example, he goes to the river Jordan with the purpose of reconnecting with his cousin John the Baptist. When John recognizes Jesus as the Lamb of God, Jesus is confused as to why John knows who He is. This might be enough to prevent me from continuing to watch the movie. We shall see….
While he is a Catholic, O’Reilly is not a theologian. In fact, he has tried to write about the Son of God while deleting God from the story. Joseph divined the danger out of thin blue sky and he knew exactly where to go for safety? No dove descended on Jesus, the Father wasn’t heard to say, ‘This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.’ But this is what witness accounts say happened. On the crucifixion scene, O’Reilly takes out the name of God and mistranslates, ‘My God My God, Why have you forsaken me?’ I don’t understand why O’Reilly bothered to write this book. It’s not an historic essay, it’s certainly not religious.
Two thumbs down:shrug:
 
The cleansing of the temple is politicized instead of just religiously motivated. I doubt that.
 
I watched about half an hour of it before deleting it from my DVR.

I just plain couldn’t stand how inaccurate it was.

Good grief, how hard is it to get it right when you have four gospels detailing it for you? 🤷
 
I watched about half an hour of it before deleting it from my DVR.

I just plain couldn’t stand how inaccurate it was.

Good grief, how hard is it to get it right when you have four gospels detailing it for you? 🤷
It’s complicated. O’Reilly/Dugard’s whole point was to include only the stories and details that could be verified by at least two types of sources, sacred scripture being one source. So if a passage from one of the Gospels couldn’t be verified outside of a scriptural source, it wasn’t included. That doesn’t mean they are denying scripture, they’re just saying that these are the more verifiable parts of scripture.

Of course, much of this is undermined by the fact that they made up dialogue. The “enough!” outburst was a great example of a liberty taken that not only has no evidential basis, but it is very unsettling. So for what they were trying to attempt, I would have much preferred it if they had just stuck to the dialogue they had sourced, or else just used a narrator.
 
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