Killing Someone With a Rosary

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These statements made me think of something:
Brendan said:
You are correct, so uses are. Just as using a rosary to strangle a person would be intrinsically evil.

A priest’s stole could be used to hang a person.
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  1. Is it more grave to unjustly kill someone with a rosary or other religious item than with a secular object like a shotgun or knife?
  2. Are there any immoral implications to committing a justifiable homicide when the primary weapon used in the manner of death is a rosary or some other religious item?
Say for example… if a teenager girl already punched and beaten by some man know attacking and raping her mother, picks up a very heavy bible and beats him over the head with it to death.

While the scenarios in these hypothetical are probably so unlikely to never occur… bear in mind gangs like the Latin Kings use the rosary for gang use and gang symbols. So, the use of religious items for other than religious purposes are possible.

(a) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Kings_%28gang%29
(b) theblaze.com/stories/2012/06/08/school-bans-students-rosary-over-fears-it-could-be-a-gang-symbol/
(c) usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-03-16-rosaries-gangs_N.htm
 
LOL the questions on this forum sometimes…

I don’t have the answer, but here is a cool story from Njáls saga:

"At Stafafell a farmer named Thorkel challenged Thangbrand to a duel. Thangbrand accepted the challenge and went to battle using a crucifix for a shield. Victory went to Thangbrand, and he killed Thorkel. Then Thangbrand and his companions continued to travel from district to district, converting many prominent families to the new faith.

“When Otrygg the berserk was seen approaching the house, the three fires were lit, and two of them were blessed according to plan. Without hesitating, the berserk walked through the fire blessed by the heathens, but he stopped at the Christian-blessed fire. Agonizing with unknown pain, Otrygg raised his sword to strike out at his foes, but as he swung the sword upward, it caught against one of the crossbeams of the house. Thangbrand struck him on the arm with a crucifix, causing Otrygg’s sword to fall to the ground, and then ran a sword into the berserk’s chest. Gudleif attacked him as well, cutting off Otrygg’s arm. Others entered the fray and helped to kill the heathen berserk.”
 
TimeEntrance said:
  1. Is it more grave to unjustly kill someone with a rosary or other religious item than with a secular object like a shotgun or knife?
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The situation you describe in not “killing,” but murder. Using a object that is religious in nature in and of itself I would speculate isn’t a sin in and of itself. If there were some reason to specifically use the religious object versus any other object, such as ritual sacrifice, etc., then it would likely be an additional sin.
  1. Are there any immoral implications to committing a justifiable homicide when the primary weapon used in the manner of death is a rosary or some other religious item?
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I prefer to word it differently. I would state that if one uses a religious object in the defense of one’s life, the result of which is the death of the attacker, then there is no sin.
While the scenarios in these hypothetical are probably so unlikely to never occur…
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There nuns think differently. 🙂 Note that one uses a rosary, and another uses a cross.

youtube.com/watch?v=OEiC_e5IfXk
 
I had friends in my past who belonged to the Latin Kings. Pray for this gang that they may convert from there evil ways. Saint Thomas the Ethiopian, pray for them.
 
BVMFatima said:
I had friends in my past who belonged to the Latin Kings. Pray for this gang that they may convert from there evil ways. Saint Thomas the Ethiopian, pray for them.
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The LK’s are strong up in CT. I don’t like the fact the LK’s use the rosary for gang and unholy purposes. I can imagine the Blessed Mother and the Trinitarian God are not very pleased with this.

Edit to add:

Dolezal, those Icelanders sounded pretty barbaric. The stories strike me as fiction too. Interesting stories nonetheless.
 
TimeEntrance said:
Technically, it is killing and so is murder. Both are homicides it’s just the latter is unjustifiable homicide.
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Murder always implies unjustified death of another; killing does not.

Example: A hunter kills an animal for food, which is permitted and not sinful. He does not murder the animal.
Is that video for real? :eek:
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To the best of my knowledge, yes. At least my more experienced peers believe so.
That was awesome! 😃
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Yes it is. I continually state that eastern martial arts can be adapted to western culture, and this video is an example of it.
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
Murder always implies unjustified death of another; killing does not.

Example: A hunter kills an animal for food, which is permitted and not sinful. He does not murder the animal.

To the best of my knowledge, yes. At least my more experienced peers believe so.

Yes it is. I continually state that eastern martial arts can be adapted to western culture, and this video is an example of it.
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are you kidding me? I thought monks and nuns lived without outside contact. But it is awesome that these nuns are learning to protect themselves.(if true.) by the way,
what language is that subtitled at the bottom of the u-tube clip?😛
 
october_baby said:
are you kidding me? I thought monks and nuns lived without outside contact. But it is awesome that these nuns are learning to protect themselves.(if true.) by the way,
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They might be sisters rather than nuns. Or they could be nuns that received the appropriate permission to meet with an outsider to learn martial arts.
what language is that subtitled at the bottom of the u-tube clip?😛
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I’m not certain, but my best guest is Brazilian (Portuguese). Maybe one of our Brazilian-speaking brethren can confirm.
 
Sounds like an old school plan to defend yourself from a vampire.

But then … would that vampire go straight to heaven:confused:😉

Sequel Thread coming soon: Drowning someone in Holy Water … bad or REAL good?

:sad_yes: :nope: :sad_yes: :nope: – :newidea:
 
I think that may have been the coolest video I’ve ever seen.

The gist of Shaolin martial arts history is temples were attacked by traveling brigands and the monks learned to defend themselves and their sacred space. I think part of it was to also keep their physical bodies in good condition as part of a spiritual holistic program - not neglecting the body and focusing solely on the spirit. Which Catholicism kind of teaches too! Not rejecting our bodies and only putting value on our spiritual person - which I think may have been one of the heresies of the Gnostics? Correct me if I’m wrong.

I have to say I’m excited to see Catholic monastics incorporating a similar practice! 👍

I hope the video is real, at any rate.
 
OneDayASaint said:
The gist of Shaolin martial arts history is temples were attacked by traveling brigands and the monks learned to defend themselves and their sacred space. I think part of it was to also keep their physical bodies in good condition as part of a spiritual holistic program - not neglecting the body and focusing solely on the spirit. Which Catholicism kind of teaches too! Not rejecting our bodies and only putting value on our spiritual person - which I think may have been one of the heresies of the Gnostics? Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Traditional has it that early on in Shaolin’s history, the monks were out of shape, to the point where they would fall asleep while meditating/praying. Many of the early exercises (qi gong) were designed to keep the monks in shape so that they could endure long periods of meditation.

The benefits extend far beyond one’s personal well being. If one cannot take care of themselves, they cannot take care of others. It’s great to see that some Catholic nuns/sisters live by that philosophy.
 
TimeEntrance said:
The LK’s are strong up in CT. I don’t like the fact the LK’s use the rosary for gang and unholy purposes. I can imagine the Blessed Mother and the Trinitarian God are not very pleased with this.

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Dolezal, those Icelanders sounded pretty barbaric. The stories strike me as fiction too. Interesting stories nonetheless.
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Agreed.
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
Traditional has it that early on in Shaolin’s history, the monks were out of shape, to the point where they would fall asleep while meditating/praying. .
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That made me giggle. I pictured a really rotund monk snoring with his head bowed while sitting in lotus position.
 
OneDayASaint said:
That made me giggle. I pictured a really rotund monk snoring with his head bowed while sitting in lotus position.
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That’s the proper image. You’ll see the Buddha statues with their big bellies because they were praying monks. You won’t see that with Shaolin Monks (unless they are specifically praying monks that don’t train).
 
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