King James Onlyist says it'd the most accurate. (Edited Title)

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I am curious why someone would believe the KJV is the only accurate bible. Do they have rational arguments as to why? Scholarly and historical reasons? I’d like to hear why they think so. (That’s assuming they have actual reasons and not just prejudice!)
I would suggest a quick google search on KJV only Bible. I would try to find some links for you but most of those sites that support this view are pretty anti-Catholic and I do not desire to draw attention to them. I know that John Ankerburg (very anti-Catholic) has done shows on this and brought in so called “experts” but again it would be Catholci beware.
 
I have no problem if that style of English is the preference for devotion and reading. I haven’t read the Catholic Douay Rheims but I would imagine that it equally has a very poetic style. I think what seems to be concerning is how nutty some fundamentalist get over it. My brother-in-law is a deacon in an independent Baptist/fundamentalist type Church. He feels this is the best most accurate English translation. But the English language was moved on from thee and thou. Now maybe that style does give a more sacred other world type sound. I think Op’s original question on how to deal with KJV 1611 only version and for all time nut types is what he is looking for.
The English language has moved on very much from the thees and thous. And you really have to be a Hebrew and Greek scholar AND have all the original documents AND be able to decipher the different qualities and styles of writing to be in a position to say this or that is the most accurate translation.
 
The English language has moved on very much from the thees and thous. And you really have to be a Hebrew and Greek scholar AND have all the original documents AND be able to decipher the different qualities and styles of writing to be in a position to say this or that is the most accurate translation.
Yes, I always thought that St. Jerome did the most authentic and accurate translation from the original languages when he did the Latin Vulgate. He also probably had access to much more material that is now lost in time than Bible scholars even have now, considering how long ago he lived. Another reason I wish to learn Latin.
 
The English language has moved on very much from the thees and thous. And you really have to be a Hebrew and Greek scholar AND have all the original documents AND be able to decipher the different qualities and styles of writing to be in a position to say this or that is the most accurate translation.
Wouldn’t it be marvelous if the original documents had survived? They have disappeared. Instead, we are left with copies of copies of copies of Hebrew and Greek documents. Translating the Hebrew into Greek was the project resulting in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament. Then we have the work of St. Jerome who gathered all the documents at his disposal, many of which were already copies of copies of copies, and produced the first Latin Vulgate Version. St. Jerome used the Hebrew and Septuagint versions for various portions of his translation. In addition there was an Old Latin translation that he had to incorporate. This Vulgate version was copied over and over again by scribes most of whom were monks, each time making slight changes here and there, either on purpose or inadvertently. So, through the centuries before the printing press was invented, copies of the scriptures were available, but nobody knew for sure which ones were the most accurate. Even Erasmus was in a quandary when he wrote his version of the Bible. His problem was trying to make sense of the Latin Vulgate versions in light of the Greek versions. He tried to integrate these two versions and produced what is today regarded as a poor document on which to base further translations. Yet that is a chief source for the King James Version.
 
Yes, I always thought that St. Jerome did the most authentic and accurate translation from the original languages when he did the Latin Vulgate. He also probably had access to much more material that is now lost in time than Bible scholars even have now, considering how long ago he lived. Another reason I wish to learn Latin.
Wouldn’t it be marvelous if the original documents had survived? They have disappeared. Instead, we are left with copies of copies of copies of Hebrew and Greek documents. Translating the Hebrew into Greek was the project resulting in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament. Then we have the work of St. Jerome who gathered all the documents at his disposal, many of which were already copies of copies of copies, and produced the first Latin Vulgate Version. St. Jerome used the Hebrew and Septuagint versions for various portions of his translation. In addition there was an Old Latin translation that he had to incorporate. This Vulgate version was copied over and over again by scribes most of whom were monks, each time making slight changes here and there, either on purpose or inadvertently. So, through the centuries before the printing press was invented, copies of the scriptures were available, but nobody knew for sure which ones were the most accurate. Even Erasmus was in a quandary when he wrote his version of the Bible. His problem was trying to make sense of the Latin Vulgate versions in light of the Greek versions. He tried to integrate these two versions and produced what is today regarded as a poor document on which to base further translations. Yet that is a chief source for the King James Version.
So the question is why did the Church insist on preserving scripture in Latin?

According to Luke Henderson, a modern teacher of Latin, people like Galileo, Erasmus, Newton, and Thomas More understood that “to write in Latin is really to create an immortal piece.”

youtube.com/watch?v=kPE4EqMm2cg

Maybe “create” is not the best word to use in terms of the Bible, but the principle is clear.
 
Hey everyone. A person I am chatting with on Youtube thinks that the King James Version of the Bible is the only accurate Bible to use. They say that newer versions leave out verses and such. How on earth do I come at this sort of argument. I know that the modern translations of the Bible are just as accurate if not more so because of modern scholarship but I think I need some more “ammo” so to speak in order to tackle this kind of argument.
Without getting into history or detail, a simple question that might get them to research the matter in more depth: “Have you ever considered why a 17th century king from England should be revising the Bible?” or “Would you feel confident using a Bible that was revised by a political leader nearly 2000 years after Jesus died?.. maybe the President Carter Version Bible?”
 
So the question is why did the Church insist on preserving scripture in Latin?

According to Luke Henderson, a modern teacher of Latin, people like Galileo, Erasmus, Newton, and Thomas More understood that “to write in Latin is really to create an immortal piece.”

youtube.com/watch?v=kPE4EqMm2cg

Maybe “create” is not the best word to use in terms of the Bible, but the principle is clear.
The common formal language among intellectuals in Western Europe before and during the Renaissance was Latin. The Pope who commissioned St. Jerome to write the Latin Vulgate Bible did so because when bishops in Western Europe gathered together for conferences, they spoke Latin to each other. Indeed intellectual, religious, historical, and philosophical literature was universally written in Latin.
 
King James Bible misses seven books.

How can that be accurate?
From what I understand,the reason the 7 books are missing is because they are too Catholic…Protestants don’t like Catholics and they wanted to create their own bible so they can distance themselves from Catholics and they did it in such a way to confuse people into believing that the KJV was the correct bible and nobody elses…
 
The typical Bible of the Catholic Church is the Latin Nova Vulgata, promulgated 25 April, 1979, by St. Pope John Paul II.

“In past times the Church considered that the old Vulgate edition was sufficient and was abundantly effective for sharing the word of God with the Christian people: something indeed which this New Vulgate edition will be able to accomplish all the more fully.”

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_19790425_scripturarum-thesaurus_en.html
 
In my opinion the NAB is a decent enough version to read from, however, for studying I prefer the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible (New Testament) Second Catholic Edition RSV.
It is easy to read, has great commentary, and where applicable, the commentary references the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It also has a concordance, and a history of the Bible.

I was raised using the Douay–Rheims Bible and have recommended it to many people…Catholics are still persecuted here in the UK but more of in a silent manner…for instance…Guy Falkes day to me is a day to remember someone who was trying to stand up for Catholicism and I pray for him on that day…what he was planning to do might have been wrong but his intentions were good…the King James version is a protestant bible which I shall never read…I have heard too much rubbish from it…but I will not condemn people who read it…it is their choice…I can only tell them about it and recommend the Douay-Rheims Bible…
 
I don’t know, I have all three here along with a KJV. Imho each has its plus and minus. I prefer some of the wording from the NAB over the others, especially in Revelation.

That said I use the RSV-CE-large print, the attraction being the large print not that I think its better. In fact the footnotes are also better imho in the NAB. Frankly I’m not very impressed with it, perhaps it will grow on me.

I was raised using the Douay–Rheims Bible also, again while a good Bible, I prefer the language of BOTH the above. That said it has sentimental value as its ancient like me.

The KJV is a red letter edition from the early 80’s I used for quick reference and basically have notes all over the Bible. Most which btw I can’t read. 🙂
 
From what I understand,the reason the 7 books are missing is because they are too Catholic…Protestants don’t like Catholics and they wanted to create their own bible so they can distance themselves from Catholics and they did it in such a way to confuse people into believing that the KJV was the correct bible and nobody elses…
The reason books are missing is that Luther made egregious errors when translating Scripture into German. Holy Scripture does not contradict itself, but Luther’s mis-translations were quite obviously contradicted by verses in these books. Thus he excised the books from the Lutheran bible.
 
Good to study the history of the Bible. Old Testament is based on the Jewish Bible…Torah etc. New Testament on the writings of the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John although not all were actually written by them.

During time of Christ, the Bible, consisting of just the Old Testament, had seven books which we Catholics still have but the Protestants don’t. These books were written in Greek. Way after His death, the Jews declared that only those written in Hebrew could be used so they were removed. Protestants followed suit after the Reformation. Catholics need to use a Catholic Bible because there is a reference to Purgatory in those books.

The Catholic Bible was approved in the late 300 or early 400AD at the Council of Hippo. However, the majority of people could not read and a hand written Bible was extremely costly. Guttenberg printed the first Catholic Bible in the 1500s. Still costly and majority were still illiterate.

Early Christians were taught orally because they could not read and Bibles were limited. This went on for hundreds of years.

The King James Version is not the Bible used by Christ. I’m amazed that Protestants believe in Sola Scriptura considering that is not in the Bible. Also they quote many things but for some reason just don’t digest the part “This is My Body, This is My Blood.” Some are actually surprised by that passage having never really seen it before. Amazing. Looking through a glass darkly.
Please research again. The Jewish bible then and now does not have the seven books in it. The Jews of Greek descent had the Septuagint with the seven books in it. It has never been adopted by the Jewish believers, to my knowledge.
 
The common formal language among intellectuals in Western Europe before and during the Renaissance was Latin. The Pope who commissioned St. Jerome to write the Latin Vulgate Bible did so because when bishops in Western Europe gathered together for conferences, they spoke Latin to each other. Indeed intellectual, religious, historical, and philosophical literature was universally written in Latin.
That too. 🙂
 
The King James bible actually had all 73 books. It was only later, under the influence of Continental protestants, that it was revised. /QUOTE]
I believe that the first edition of the KJ was complete
 
The Catholic bible was put out in 397. The King James accepted the authority of the Catholic Church by accepting the 27 NT books that they considered for the NT. The 1611 version of KJV had all 73 books. In 1885 the 7 books went missing. There are all sorts of stories for this. Some say the protestant churches took them out. Some say the printer thought it would be cheaper to take them out. Whatever the reason I feel they are walking on thin ice. I understand that you can still get KJV versions with the 73 books. What a mess.
King James is NOT the only accurate bible because it was first published in 1600s, 1300 years after the Council of Hippo approved the books in the bible. A friend of mine who is a protestant owned an early 1900 King James Bible that has the seven deuterocanonical books between the Old and the NT sections.
It is a bible that converse many unbelievers to our Christians faith. But if we need the truth, we have to seek the truth.
Shalom!
 
You can start with the fact that Jesus grew up a Middle Eastern Jew but the KJV reads like something from the Dark Ages. :p;)
The KJV is, from a literary perspective, by far the most beautiful and most influential English version - The scholars who did this work had a limited access to original documents other than the “Textus Receptus” and the Vulgate - the errors in Jerome are minor, and due to misunderstandings of similar words - which is why Michelangelo carved Moses with “Horns” on his head - whereas the correct translation would be 'rays of light" or commonly, “shining” -
Similarly, changes in usage in English make much of the KJV difficult -ie - Psalm 119 verse 151 -…" I prevented the dawning of the morning…" - is now correctly translated as “I got up before sunrise…” - the literal Latin basis of “prevent” - to come before or do one thing before another has evolved in the general mind today to mean “stop” - so the confusion - There are many more instances - not all the newer translation are fully satisfactory, but for myself, I recommend the New English Bible and the Jerusalem Bible (full edition with footnotes) -
The last century of scholarship, linguistic studies, and archaeology have helped us make great strides in improving the translations of the scripture - but many terms will remain a mystery to the lay reader simply because the philological foundations to many words are impossible to impart to every person - nevertheless, a deeper knowledge of the Greek roots can be enormously helpful in deepening faith - if interested, ask me why the Greek word we translate “holy” is in fact, a negative.
 
Please research again. The Jewish bible then and now does not have the seven books in it. The Jews of Greek descent had the Septuagint with the seven books in it. It has never been adopted by the Jewish believers, to my knowledge.
A group of Jews in Jamnia (Javneh) reviewed the canon and then decided to remove those books (deuterocanonicals) for which they did not find the Hebrew originals. Subsequently copies of the Hebrew deuterocanonicals were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.
 
So any converts to this person’s church must be English speakers, apparently. How do they witness to/ (or proselytize :D) people in non-English speaking countries?
 
The KJV is, from a literary perspective, by far the most beautiful and most influential English version - The scholars who did this work had a limited access to original documents other than the “Textus Receptus” and the Vulgate - the errors in Jerome are minor, and due to misunderstandings of similar words - which is why Michelangelo carved Moses with “Horns” on his head - whereas the correct translation would be 'rays of light" or commonly, “shining” -
Similarly, changes in usage in English make much of the KJV difficult -ie - Psalm 119 verse 151 -…" I prevented the dawning of the morning…" - is now correctly translated as “I got up before sunrise…” - the literal Latin basis of “prevent” - to come before or do one thing before another has evolved in the general mind today to mean “stop” - so the confusion - There are many more instances - not all the newer translation are fully satisfactory, but for myself, I recommend the New English Bible and the Jerusalem Bible (full edition with footnotes) -
The last century of scholarship, linguistic studies, and archaeology have helped us make great strides in improving the translations of the scripture - but many terms will remain a mystery to the lay reader simply because the philological foundations to many words are impossible to impart to every person - nevertheless, a deeper knowledge of the Greek roots can be enormously helpful in deepening faith - if interested, ask me why the Greek word we translate “holy” is in fact, a negative.
Okay, out of curiosity, why? 🙂
 
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