Kinsey Report

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Mirdath said:
I said ‘bizarre vendetta’, but other than that you’re putting words in my mouth.

**I didn’t say they were your words - I am referring to you, yes, and others who refute Dr. Reisman. **

Most of his evidence on pedophilia, and why bother gathering evidence on the past child predation of a person who never did anything of the sort? Kinsey interviewed or received surveys from thousands of people, only a few of whom were pedophiles. Sure, his samples contained a disproportionate number of incarcerated people – not all of them pedophiles, I might add, but people who don’t change addresses and have little to do but fill out surveys – and that is a serious methodological problem, but when the stats were ‘cleaned’ to reflect that, the Institute found the numbers weren’t all that different.

The research I am referring to wasn’t about pedophilia in particular, in fact it had nothing to do with pedophilia. Maybe you can tell us exactly how Kinsey got information from “trained observers” aout how long it takes a 5 month old to have 3 orgasms? What exactly is the benefit of this research?

Yeah, you do have to justify it. There is nothing in that quote that in any way resembles ‘women who are raped deserve it’. Either show the connection or leave off.

Maybe you can tell us in what context this particular quote is justified, because as I said, I’m not going to bother.

What makes you think it was so inhibited beforehand? It might not have been spoken of in polite society, but you bet it was going on. Even the legendarily prudish Victorian age was full of smut, deviancy, and prostitution. The only thing the Kinsey Reports changed was the willingness of people to talk about what was already happening.

**Unfortunately the data doesn’t bear this assumption. According to Kinsey:Crimes and Consequences, of the 324 homicides in NY in 1930, 1935, and 1940 (108 per year), only 17 (6 per year) involved the rape of women or children. FBI data for 1995 (the year they have listed in their book) NY had 3,333 rape-murders.
This increase is in large part due to Kinsey’s influence over the Model Penal Code, which decriminalized crimes that untimately weakened the institution of marriage and moral fabric of this country.
There are more teenage pregnancies, more STD’s, more instances of pornography and objectification of women, all due to Kinsey’s claim that uninhibited sex is natural and desireable, necessary for the health of the individual.

Make of this what you will but I will no longerpost here until you at least try to respond to what others have posted as well. I have already said I’m tired of the subject and am getting weary of saying the same things over again.

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Jennifer123 said:
The research I am referring to wasn’t about pedophilia in particular, in fact it had nothing to do with pedophilia. Maybe you can tell us exactly how Kinsey got information from “trained observers” aout how long it takes a 5 month old to have 3 orgasms? What exactly is the benefit of this research?
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Pedophilia is one of many paraphilias. It is, perhaps, the most reprehensible – although that is actually debatable, considering the depths of depravity humans are capable of – and as a human behavior, it is worthy of study. Not approval, but study. Do you think we should be ignorant of evil?
Maybe you can tell us in what context this particular quote is justified, because as I said, I’m not going to bother.
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I don’t have to tell you anything. You’re the one making the assertion that the quote means ‘victims of rape had it coming’, not me. Back it up.
Unfortunately the data doesn’t bear this assumption. According to Kinsey:Crimes and Consequences, of the 324 homicides in NY in 1930, 1935, and 1940 (108 per year), only 17 (6 per year) involved the rape of women or children. FBI data for 1995 (the year they have listed in their book) NY had 3,333 rape-murders.
This increase is in large part due to Kinsey’s influence over the Model Penal Code, which decriminalized crimes that untimately weakened the institution of marriage and moral fabric of this country.
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I notice you shift from ‘rape of women or children, plus homicide’ to ‘rape-murder’. Men can be raped too, you know – and the Reports came at a time when New York’s population was growing and centralizing at a tremendous rate. Think that might have had something to do with it? The Fifties were a turbulent era, no matter how much some people might see it as ‘the good old days’. And if Kinsey made people talk more about sex, he also made them more likely to report sexual crimes.

In short, correlation does not mean causation, and your statistics ignore all kinds of important social factors – they’re meaningless.
There are more teenage pregnancies, more STD’s, more instances of pornography and objectification of women, all due to Kinsey’s claim that uninhibited sex is natural and desireable, necessary for the health of the individual.
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Any substance to your claim that the sorry state of sexual morality is to be laid entirely at Kinsey’s doorstep? Sexual morality has always been pretty atrocious, and it’s always a safe target for self-righteous moralization. You’re not doing it, of course you’re not. It’s always everybody else – since before we started walking on two legs. People have sex, and not always how you like it or how you say God likes it. We have done so for millennia. Get over it.

Sure, there are more reported teenage pregnancies. There are more teenagers who are more willing to talk about it, in a time in which people tend to get married later and later, and are less inclined to hold a shotgun wedding. The prevalence of STDs is up: there are more people to have and spread them – and I think you’ve forgotten the syphilis and gonorrhea epidemics of the early 20th century. There’s more pornography: we have the printing press, the laser printer, and the internet. Used to be you had to go buy an amphora to get your porn. Now you can download it for free. None of this is directly attributable to a quirky entomologist in Indiana.
 
Regardless of the evidence, you continue to defend Kinsey and the Report. You appear to not want to believe that Kinsey, Hugh Hefner, Playboy magazine or Planned Parenthood had no connection to one another. The available information shows otherwise.

This fraudulent Report affected the law, it deceived people. It deceived two or three generations of people. It has led to the widespread creation of totally dysfunctional relationships between the sexes. It is wrong to defend it. The truth will stand under scrutiny and then, with God’s help, people will open their eyes and see that modesty, decency, coutesy and true commitment are not just words in the dictionary.

My brothers and sisters in Christ - pray that God’s Holy Spirit moves across this country since Jesus told us our battle is not against flesh and blood.

God bless,
Ed
 
Mirdath said:
Any substance to your claim that the sorry state of sexual morality is to be laid entirely at Kinsey’s doorstep? Sexual morality has always been pretty atrocious, and it’s always a safe target for self-righteous moralization. You’re not doing it, of course you’re not. It’s always everybody else – since before we started walking on two legs. People have sex, and not always how you like it or how you say God likes it. We have done so for millennia. Get over it.

Sure, there are more reported teenage pregnancies. There are more teenagers who are more willing to talk about it, in a time in which people tend to get married later and later, and are less inclined to hold a shotgun wedding. The prevalence of STDs is up: there are more people to have and spread them – and I think you’ve forgotten the syphilis and gonorrhea epidemics of the early 20th century. There’s more pornography: we have the printing press, the laser printer, and the internet. Used to be you had to go buy an amphora to get your porn. Now you can download it for free. None of this is directly attributable to a quirky entomologist in Indiana.
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Quirky? There are things I would call quirky, but a man who shoved toothbrushes bristle-end first down his urethra and praised pedophiles who sadistically tortured children for hours on end for Kinsey’s research is not one of them, but whatever. 🤷

Kinsey is indeed the reason for the sad state of sexuality today. Kinsey’s associates went on to found institutes all over the country to promote his teachings, which again are scientific fallacies. These institues, through the work of Kinsey’s associates, were the first institutions to grant degrees in “human sexuality”, graduates who then went on to program and teach Kinsey’s curricula to children all over the nation.

The Kinsey Institute’s SEICUS organization which was founded with money from Playboy, is the largest sex-education producer in the country. The first director of SEICUS, who was also Medical Director of Planned Parenthood, stated the mission of SEICUS as one that sought to promote awareness of the vital importance of infant and childhood sexuality. :rolleyes:

But you insist that this all has nothing to do with the rampant amounts of STD’s and pregnancies among children today. I find Kinsey and the result of his work an outrage but that’s just me.
 
I still don’t see what all the fuss is about. The report has done me no harm. I would have known I was predominantly homosexual in orientation whether there had been a report or not. And I am not prone to suicide or depressed about it or anything for that matter. I hold my head high as an equal member of society and have the utmost confidence that I will get to heaven like everyone else.
 
Jim,

The fuss is about basing law on a distorted report. About convincing other people that its distortions are factual. All people should speak truthfully to each other, but when we, as a group of people, discover that a distortion has been peddled as fact, we need to get to the truth while exposing false information.

God bless,
Ed
 
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