Kissing Scapular

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I heard there is an indulgence for kissing your scapular. How often should you kiss the scapular?
 
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I wasn’t aware of any indulgences for kissing the scapular, but I kiss mine before wearing it and after removing it.
 
AlexBr said:
I heard there is an indulgence for kissing your scapular. How often should you kiss the scapular?
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The Sisters of Carmel website says that Pope Benedict XV granted 500 days indulgence every time the brown scapular of Our Lady was kissed. My understanding is that this indulgence was revoked and the only currently valid indulgences granted by the Church are listed in the Enchiridion of Indulgences. I could be wrong though. I’ll ask my priest the next time I see him.
 
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There are a lot of partial indulgences for all sorts of things - even making the Sign of the Cross.

I kiss my scapular when I put it on and take it off.
 
I kiss my brown scapular every time I take it off and when I put it back on. But I don’t know if this gains an indulgence. I consider it a pious devotion, a gesture that shows love, and therefore worth doing indulgence or not. Like kissing the hand of your mother.
 
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AlexBr said:
I heard there is an indulgence for kissing your scapular. How often should you kiss the scapular?
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I spoke with my priest and he said that he thinks that the Enchiridion of Indulgences is the only currently valid list of indulgences, but that he wasn’t sure. He also said he thinks the church’s understanding of time in the afterlife has changed, which is why we only talk about plenary and partial indulgences now instead of actual time (like 500 years indulgence).
 
Sorry for slow response, I have been gone from the forum.

The Sisters of Carmel are a schismatic group. Their website is not a reliable authority for scapulars or anything else. This has already been posted in dozens of past threads on scapulars.

The only indulgences currently in force are those in the current Enchiridion of Indulgences aka Manual of Indulgences. A complete copy of the current Manual of Indulgences is here.

To my knowledge there is no current indulgence for kissing the scapular. You are free to do so as a devout gesture. Sometimes it’s nice to just do something for Jesus and Mary without expecting something in return.

Also, indulgences are no longer expressed in terms of “500 days” or whatever. They are just called “plenary” or “partial”.
 
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I kiss mine often.
Throughout the day many times.
500 days when you kiss it, last I heard.
Many other blessings are included with it as long as it is blessed.
 
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The Sisters of Carmel are a schismatic group. Their website is not a reliable authority for scapulars or anything else. This has already been posted in dozens of past threads on scapulars.
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To back that up, a post from Don Ruggero, one of the great priests CAF has had grace these forums,
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Is there a priest who can answer this question? I pray there is.. Traditional Catholicism
I am not sure why you specify the Discalced Carmelites. I have every bit as much confidence in the O. Carm. friars as I do in the O.C.D. friars…in fact I have worked with many O. Carm. friars personally over the decades; it is they, for example, who have the Shrine of Aylesford with the relics of Saint Simon Stock; I have far fewer encounters with the O.C.D. friars, who are assuredly quite lovely friars – but the O.C.D. is not greater or lesser than the O. Carm. when one is speaking of Carmelit…
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(There was also a post where he gave a link from the bishop about their excommunication. I’ve been looming for it and would like to find it again.)

I’m also looking for the link he endorsed for proper scapula Catechesis but it seems old links are broken.
 
Well I’M STILL KISSIN IT!
Lol thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
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The Sisters of Carmel are a schismatic group. Their website is not a reliable authority for scapulars or anything else. This has already been posted in dozens of past threads on scapulars.
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Can you provide a link on this? I don’t normally read threads on scapulars and I’ve read that their status is irregular, not schismatic.
 
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The decree of the Bishop of the Diocese, wherein he delineates the history of these women who established themselves in his diocese without following the requirements of Canon Law – they also have no standing with the Prior General of the Discalced Carmelites and therefore are in fact not Discalced Carmelites – can be found at this website of the Diocese of Colorado Springs.


The scapular catechesis, which was jointly done by members of the General Council of both the Carmelites of the Ancient Observance [O. Carm.] as well as the Carmelites of the Teresian reform [O.C.D.] may be found at

https://www.meditationsfromcarmel.com/content/scapular-catechesis

Both Father Morello of the Discalced Carmelites and Father McMahon, both of whom I knew is years long passed, have been called from this life.
 
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I heard there is an indulgence for kissing your scapular. How often should you kiss the scapular?
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It is covered in the general norms of the latest indulgences, partial indulgence (1 if with a prayer, and 4 if someone sees it):
  1. Raising the mind to God with humble trust while performing one’s duties and bearing life’s difficulties, and adding, at least mentally, some pious invocation.
  2. Devoting oneself or one’s goods compassionately in a spirit of faith to the service of one’s brothers and sisters in need.
  3. Freely abstaining in a spirit of penance from something licit and pleasant.
  4. Freely giving open witness to one’s faith before others in particular circumstances of everyday life.
Example prayer:
O my God, in union with the Immaculate Heart of Mary (here kiss your Brown Scapular), I offer Thee the Precious Blood of Jesus from all the altars throughout the world, joining with it the offering of my every thought, word and action of this day.

O my Jesus, I desire today to gain every indulgence and merit I can and I offer them, together with myself, to Mary Immaculate that she may best apply them to the interests of Thy most Sacred Heart.

Precious Blood of Jesus, save us!
Immaculate Heart of Mary, save us!
Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us!
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Thank you for that, Father. And I will say it’s great to see you back here.
 
A lot of the older grants were consolidated into broader grants. Kissing the scapular would come under this one:
The faithful, who devoutly use an article of devotion (crucifix or cross, rosary. scapular or medal) properly blessed by any priest, obtain a partial indulgence.
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The “days” or “years” of past indulgences didn’t really have to do with time in Purgatory–the time was a reference to time doing penance on earth, which the indulgence remitted (any satisfaction we fail to make during this life either in the usual way or by virtue of indulgences must be made in purgatory). As those ancient pentitential canons fell into desuetude or were abolished, the “days” on indulgences remained merely to note the relative value of the grant (the more “days” the more satisfaction).

Partial indulgences now, rather than being measured relative to defunct penances, are measured relative to the merit of the act being indulgenced:
Regarding partial indulgences, with the abolishment of the former determination of days and years, a new norm or measurement has been established which takes into consideration the action itself of the faithful Christian who performs a work to which an indulgence is attached.

Since by their acts the faithful can obtain, in addition to the merit which is the principal fruit of the act, a further remission of temporal punishment in proportion to the degree to which the charity of the one performing the act is greater, and in proportion to the degree to which the act itself is performed in a more perfect way, it has been considered fitting that this remission of temporal punishment which the Christian faithful acquire through an action should serve as the measurement for the remission of punishment which the ecclesiastical authority bountifully adds by way of partial indulgence.
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n. 4—A partial indulgence will henceforth be designated only with the words “partial indulgence” without any determination of days or years.

n. 5—The faithful who at least with a contrite heart perform an action to which a partial indulgence is attached obtain, in addition to the remission of temporal punishment acquired by the action itself, an equal remission of punishment through the intervention of the Church.
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https://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-...-vi_apc_01011967_indulgentiarum-doctrina.html
 
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I just have to say that it is sooooo good to see you posting here. I hope we get to see more of your posts. You are such a wealth of knowledge.
 
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