kissing

[nmoerbeek]

Willingness to jeopardise purity is not a necessary part of a vocation to marriage.

We should surrender our lives to god completely. Their is no sin that is permissible.

Do not interpret my statement as a smear it was a compliment. Scruples though is in an exercise in vanity (St Alphonsous said so in his essay on lukewarmness)

I am not accusing anyone of being scrupulous, but to not lack charity about your responses.

 

[tvdxer]

I truly believe that kissing before marriage is not a sin. Yes it can lead to temptation but that is why we as Catholics practice self control. It’s like saying if you eat one m&m you MUST eat 500 more. We have that choice to either keep going with kissing and let it lead up to sex, or we can say no to our sexual desires. If you are with a boyfriend/girlfriend and you are both committed to saving sex until marriage, then **no one ** can force you to go father than making out. We all have the choice.

Kissing before marriage isn’t a sin. The link I posted earlier in this thread should have been very helpful for all who were wondering whether kisses and other signs of affection were sinful among the unmarried.

To say it again: Kissing and other forms of affection are a sin between unmarried couples if:

1. They are purely sexual in nature: touching areas that shouldn’t be touched, long, passionate kisses, other acts that count as foreplay, etc.
2. They are done to arouse sexual (venereal) pleasure in oneself or one’s partner (“sexual pleasure” seems to be understood as the pleasure “felt when the sex organs are aroused and involves a stirring sensation of the organs of generation” Source: therealpresence.org/archives/Moral_Theology/Moral_Theology_009.htm )
3. They are done without impure intentions, but pleasure does arise, and one consents to the pleasure (exactly what this means I do not fully understand) or willingly delights in it. This might shed some light however:

It cannot be overemphasized that venereal pleasure in itself is not sinful, otherwise married people could not indulge it and, in fact, have a sacrament instituted by Christ to regulate its enjoyment. Even in the unmarried, such pleasure is natural and responds to a divinely-implanted instinct whose purpose is the noble one of leading men and women to conceive and procreate children. It may last for hours without a shred of guilt. But for the unmarried it is wrong to yield to that pleasure in the sense of wanting it in the body by knowing it is there, consenting to its presence and enjoying the genital stimulation which it gives. All three elements must be verified to constitute sin for the unmarried. It is indifferent whether the pleasure is deliberately procured or arises spontaneously; what is forbidden is the intentional yielding to an excitation of the generative organs.

(From the same link)

1. There is an unreasonable danger of consent, or going further.