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coolduude
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Can Catholics use the KJV Bilbe?
It seems to distort a lot of things, but maybe that’s just me.
Thanks!
It seems to distort a lot of things, but maybe that’s just me.
Thanks!
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AngelRose81
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The KJV is a protestant translation but you can find some with what they call the Apocrypha in them. In fact the original KJV had them in there. If you are looking for a Bible with that type of language try a Douay-Rheims. I recommend the RSV-CE, however. Ignatius press has some wonderful RSV-CEs
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Epistemes
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What type of distortions? Examples would be nice.Can Catholics use the KJV Bilbe?
It seems to distort a lot of things, but maybe that’s just me.
Thanks!
I know Catholics who use the KJV, though I don’t know their reasons for such. I’m starting to use the Orthodox Study Bible on a regular basis for personal use which includes a NKJV New Testament. Thus far, my faith in Catholic doctrines has hardly been shaken by such a translation.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Jude_Smith
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I knew that some books were missing, but I was surprised to discover recently that much of the Book of Daniel is not there in the KJV.
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tobinatorstark
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Some of Daniel isn’t there and the same is for Esther. As well as 7 books which Protestants call Apocrypha. For a good Catholic Bible I recommend the Douay-Rheims, the Confraternity Edition or the Ronald Knox Bible. Douay-Rheims is my favorite and I have gotten the most out of it than any other Bible
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Jude_Smith
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We have a copy of the KJV because some members of our extended family were or are Protestant. I don’t think I would use it for Bible study, but it was just a case of looking something up. Mostly we use the New American Bible, St. Joseph Edition. That’s what we were given as a wedding present back in 1981. The Douay-Rheims is undoubtedly better in terms of language, and it is available online at drbo.org.
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tmac1956
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The Third Millennium Bible 1611 KJV has all of the books from the 1st edition (all 80 of them). It’s an excellent reference when talking to protestants who hold to the Authorized KJV only – most of these later editions do not contain the Apocrypha and the ones that do, usually don’t have all of the books from the 1st Ed.
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colliric
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Luke 1:28. which should read of cause “Hail, full of Grace”.
This is common in protestant bibles, yes, but still.
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bpbasilphx
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I knew that some books were missing, but I was surprised to discover recently that much of the Book of Daniel is not there in the KJV.**
**No, they are not missing. They are indeed included in the FULL KJV Bible, as originally published in 1611, with the various revisions (last being in English in 1789, and in the USA in 1904).
The supposedly missing parts of Daniel are put in “Song of the Three Children” (which has always been used liturgically in the Book of Common Prayer) and "Susanna and Bel and the Dragon).
The Bible that has parts missing (as far as the Orthodox are concerned) is the Vulgate and its descendants (such as the Douay-Rheims) because it does not include 3-4 Macabees, Psalm 151, Prayer of Manesseh, parts of Job, etc, etc.**
I knew that some books were missing, but I was surprised to discover recently that much of the Book of Daniel is not there in the KJV.**
**No, they are not missing. They are indeed included in the FULL KJV Bible, as originally published in 1611, with the various revisions (last being in English in 1789, and in the USA in 1904).
The supposedly missing parts of Daniel are put in “Song of the Three Children” (which has always been used liturgically in the Book of Common Prayer) and "Susanna and Bel and the Dragon).
The Bible that has parts missing (as far as the Orthodox are concerned) is the Vulgate and its descendants (such as the Douay-Rheims) because it does not include 3-4 Macabees, Psalm 151, Prayer of Manesseh, parts of Job, etc, etc.**
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tobinatorstark
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Most Modern Catholic versions don’t read “Hail full of grace” either. The NAB doesn’t, neither does the JB or NJB. However the Douay-Rheims, Confraternity Edition and Ronald Knox Translation and the RSV-CE all read “Hail full of grace”. Modern versions are also missing blessed are thou amongst women at the end of Luke 1:28. In which the Douay-Rheims, Confraternity Edition and Ronald Knox Translation read. Also the earlier translations of the New American Bible also read “blessed are thou among women” but since has been dropped since revision of the NT in 1986
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colliric
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“Blessed art thou amoung women” comes from latter manuscripts and also the Latin Vulgate and may have been a copiests error, Not to worry though because it reoccurs latter in the chapter in the older manuscripts anyway so the “Hail Mary” is still scriptoral!
It may or may not have been in the older manuscripts after Gabriel’s greeting. However “Hail, Full of Grace” is in the older manuscripts.
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puzzleannie
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can you give examples?Can Catholics use the KJV Bilbe?
It seems to distort a lot of things, but maybe that’s just me.
Thanks!
yes Catholics can read the KJV, although for formal bible study they would be better of with an approved Catholic translation. I think every English speaking person should be familiar with the KJV because it is so formative of our literature and culture.
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colliric
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The KJV is(or was) commonly used by both Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses(they now have their newer bible work, but still refer to the KJV), because it was the major 17th century protestant translation that uses the incorrect translation of the Tetragrammatron which both find fairly popular.
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VinnyDee78
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Can someone refer me to an authoritative source that confirms or further clarifies the following points (or can you tell me something I should already know)…
- Generally, the seven books included in both Roman and Greek scripture include the books Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, First and Second Maccabees, and additional parts in Esther and Daniel. However, it is my understanding that 1 & 2 Esdras (Ezra) have fallen in and out of favor with the Roman Catholic Cannon but are included in the Greek. Then again I have seen reference that Esdras and Ezra are the same, and 2 Esdras is Nehemiah in the KJV. Is this correct?
- Are the Apocrypha writings considered KJV or are there multiple versions of those books too?
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VinnyDee78
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I am interested in knowing what you mean by getting the “most out of it.” Are the references linked better, additional information provided for clarity, includes topical guides, recieved inspiration, during your studies? Very interested. Thanks
“For a good Catholic Bible I recommend the Douay-Rheims, the Confraternity Edition or the Ronald Knox Bible. Douay-Rheims is my favorite and I have gotten the most out of it than any other Bible.”
“For a good Catholic Bible I recommend the Douay-Rheims, the Confraternity Edition or the Ronald Knox Bible. Douay-Rheims is my favorite and I have gotten the most out of it than any other Bible.”
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VinnyDee78
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I am interested in knowing what you mean by getting the “most out of it.” Are the references linked better, additional information provided for clarity, includes topical guides, recieved inspiration, during your studies? Very interested. Thanks
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tobinatorstark
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When I started reading the Bible on a regular basis, I read the NAB. I felt inspired to read the Bible. Half way through reading it I became a little distraught as I felt I was missing something and not getting a full meaning. I kept looking for another good Catholic Bible. When I came across the Douay-Rheims I researched it and bought it. I have felt the Holy Spirit present a lot more and the I didn’t feel like I was missing anything. I kept referring back to the Haydock Bible Commentary and it seem like I was saying the same thing. It seem like my point of view changed a little and it seemed to clarify the questions I had when I read from the NAB. I also get the same feeling from the Confraternity Edition and the Ronald Knox Translation. I feel Christ a lot stronger when I understand his word to the fullest. Reading the Douay made me feel that I can defend my faith at its fullest. Over time I became uninspired to read other translations because I just wasn’t getting the same message or I wasn’t getting the message at all. Even when I read the Catechism I look up my scripture passages for in the Douay for clarity. I am still leary about using the RSV-CE at this point.But when I say I get the most out of it, I mean just that. I understand it better, feel more inspired and am able to utilize it better, plus having the Holy Spirit present stronger also helps
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VinnyDee78
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Thank you for your insights Tobinatorstark.
It is good to know that my Catholic brethren make choices like this with the feelings of the Spirit as their companion. I will be picking up the version you recommend for my continued interfaith studies and understanding why men believe the way they do. I appreciate your honest reply, it did not fall on deaf ears.
Have you ever done a comparison between the KJV (where my experience is) and the Douay-Rheims version? I’d be curious to know what you may or may not have deducted from that exercise… (if ventured)
If there are any other opinions out there, I would be interested in hearing why any particular version is preferred over another - not necessarily from an historical perspective, but rather from an experiential perspective.
Thank you in advance - Vinny
It is good to know that my Catholic brethren make choices like this with the feelings of the Spirit as their companion. I will be picking up the version you recommend for my continued interfaith studies and understanding why men believe the way they do. I appreciate your honest reply, it did not fall on deaf ears.
Have you ever done a comparison between the KJV (where my experience is) and the Douay-Rheims version? I’d be curious to know what you may or may not have deducted from that exercise… (if ventured)
If there are any other opinions out there, I would be interested in hearing why any particular version is preferred over another - not necessarily from an historical perspective, but rather from an experiential perspective.
Thank you in advance - Vinny
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tobinatorstark
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There are differences with the KJV and Douay-Rheims. Although they resemble each other in many ways, there are significant differences. Leviticus 5:5 Says to do penance and the KJV says to confess sins. Luke 1:28 the Douay-Rheims says Hail full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed are thou amongst women while the KJV says Hail favored one, the Lord is with thee, blessed are thou amongst women. Also there is a verse in an early chapter of Matthew that the Douay says Penance 3:2. Any way the word penance occurs 66 times in the Douay while the KJV changes it everytime to confess. Also the Psalms are numbered differently. Most Bibles on the market follow that of the KJV. The Douay-Rheims follows that of the Latin Vulgate, Clementine Edition. You’ll notice the difference with some of the book names. Josue instead of Joshua. I, II, III, IV Kings instead of I, II Samuel and I and II Kings. In parentheses aka I, II Samuel and aka I, II Kings, I, II Paralipomenon instead of I, II Chronicles, I, II Ezra instead of Ezra and Nehemiah. Other books like Isaiah and Jeremiah are Isaias and Jeremias. Also the KJV most likely wont contain the 7 Duetrocanonical books of Ecclesaticus (Sirach), Baruch, Wisdom, I, II Machabees (Maccabees), Tobias (Tobit) and Judith. Occasionally you’ll find a KJV with those 7 books sandwiched in between the OT and NT. Even most modern Catholic Bibles put Maccabees in a different place instead of being the last 2 books of the OT. Also Canticle of Canticles is Song of Songs. I forgot to mention that. Overall the KJV is a good Bible for a Protestant and since you grew up with the KJV the Douay-Rheims should be a breeze to pick. BTW what Catholic version are you using right now??
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