Kmiec Blasts Pro-Life Catholics For Flack on OKing Obama

[juliee]

Washington, DC – To hear pro-life advocates tell it, attorney and Obama apologist Douglas Kmiec sold out his alleged pro-life, Catholic views for backing the man who could become the most pro-abortion president in history. In a new editorial in Commonweal, Kmiec strikes back at the pro-life people who blasted him.

Kmiec claims the so-called “right-wing Catholic” bloggers were the ones leading the charge – as if to say that they are out of touch with the pro-life views of the Catholic Church.

Full story at: LifeNews.com/nat4737.html

 

[Ridgerunner]

He sold out his professed faith. So he tries to justify it by saying FOCA is unlikely to pass, ignoring the fact that Obama promised to sign it if it did pass, and the further fact that supporting evil is supporting evil, whether it succeeds or not. He also apparently thinks Obama’s social programs (in toto?) are consistent with Catholic positions. Without really knowing what they would be, I don’t see how he could know that.

It’s funny that he attacks Catholic bloggers,then goes to complain about it in a marginally dissident “Catholic” magazine. Maybe he should have shown up on CAF to defend himself. But he didn’t.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Reading Kmiec’s article, it appears this is what he thinks about those who were critical of him:

"As it is, however, right-wing Catholic bloggers, acting as a thinly disguised political front for the GOP, remain fixated on the goal of precipitating an unnecessary war between the Holy See and America’s next administration. It is dismaying to see a few American prelates and their “anonymous” Vatican commentators acting as witting or unwitting coconspirators in this divisive action. "

And this he said in an article in which he accused prolife bloggers of being name-callers and excessive in their criticism of him. Knowing, as I do, a fair number of prolife Democrats who were also critical of Kmiec’s sellout to abortion, I find his characterization amusing.

 

[PapaSquash]

I can’t help but notice that in an essay entirely devoted to attacking those who opposed his endorsement of Obama, he notes that he should “turn the other cheek” and “offer it up.”

And his description of “tangible consequences” and examples of invective strike me as astonishingly mild. Grow a skin.

 

[fix]

It’s funny that he attacks Catholic bloggers,then goes to complain about it in a marginally dissident “Catholic” magazine. Maybe he should have shown up on CAF to defend himself. But he didn’t.

That it appears in that magazine says much and seems consistent with his positions.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

“In the editorial, Kmiec acknowledges his crimes but continues to peddle a not guilty plea.”

I wonder what crimes were committed? Is Mr Kmiec going to jail?

 

[MDK]

Washington, DC – To hear pro-life advocates tell it, attorney and Obama apologist Douglas Kmiec sold out his alleged pro-life, Catholic views for backing the man who could become the most pro-abortion president in history. In a new editorial in Commonweal, Kmiec strikes back at the pro-life people who blasted him.

Kmiec claims the so-called “right-wing Catholic” bloggers were the ones leading the charge – as if to say that they are out of touch with the pro-life views of the Catholic Church.

Full story at: LifeNews.com/nat4737.html

It’s clear Kmiec is out of touch with reality. He’s controverting the authority established by Christ. Namely, we all know that if we hear the ones sent by Christ, it’s the same as hearing Christ. Kmiec, what problem do you have with Christ?

 

[manualman]

Gee, he’s published in Commonweal. What a shocker.

Sorry Doug, this independent voter detests Republican policies on immigration, trickle-down economics, inheritance tax breaks and numerous other issues. But it takes some SERIOUS liberty to imagine any of those issues to have a greater proportionate impact than the killing of one million innocents per year.

The fact that we’ve failed so far to overturn Roe has more to do with sell-out “pro-lifers” like him than anything else.

If everybody who opposed abortion realize the magnitude of the atrocity and voted on that issue FIRST, we’d be done with it by now and could move on to opposing unjust parts of Republican platforms. Instead guys like Kmiec ensure that catholics largely cancel each other out and have no impact on politics.

Nice job Doug.

 

[RobHom]

… this independent voter detests Republican policies on immigration, trickle-down economics, inheritance tax breaks and numerous other issues. But it takes some SERIOUS liberty to imagine any of those issues to have a greater proportionate impact than the killing of one million innocents per year.

I agree.

The fact that we’ve failed so far to overturn Roe has more to do with sell-out “pro-lifers” like him than anything else.

To me the greater question is this: 5 of 9 Supreme Court Justices are “Catholic” by their own declaration. adherents.com/adh_sc.html

The balance are 1 Episcopalian, 1 Protestant, and 2 are Jewish.

Now, with a majority of Justices being Catholic…it would seem to me that if one was to bring it back before the court, there would have been more than even chances of success, but no-one ever bothered to. So, where does the blame really lie?

If everybody who opposed abortion realize the magnitude of the atrocity and voted on that issue FIRST, we’d be done with it by now and could move on to opposing unjust parts of Republican platforms. Instead guys like Kmiec ensure that catholics largely cancel each other out and have no impact on politics. .

I think it goes much deeper than that…primarily because to some extent politicians merely use abortion as a “hot-button” to get votes and in reality have little or no reason to actually pursue the abolition of abortion.

But at the same time…considering who one of the main “architects” of the Bush Administration’s so called policy intention to eliminate Roe v Wade is probably the real cause and effect of the failure for it to happen…

Read this article and see if you can figure out why…

mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=239

Its really quite interesting…

 

[RachelsAlumni]

Read this article and see if you can figure out why…
Its really quite interesting…

If you like political mystery thrillers involving conspiracy theories where the bad guys always wear red and the good guys always wear blue.

 

[manualman]

Now, with a majority of Justices being Catholic…it would seem to me that if one was to bring it back before the court, there would have been more than even chances of success, but no-one ever bothered to. So, where does the blame really lie?

I think it goes much deeper than that…primarily because to some extent politicians merely use abortion as a “hot-button” to get votes and in reality have little or no reason to actually pursue the abolition of abortion.

Nonsense. Do a little independent digging and you will immediately discover that catholic justice Kennedy is already on record as supporting the precedent of RoevsWade. Bringing a direct challenge now before the vote count is favorable would only REINFORCE the precedent of Roe instead of potentially overturning it.

Let me guess, you are a “Kmiec” pro-lifer…

 

[MDK]

Nonsense. Do a little independent digging and you will immediately discover that catholic justice Kennedy is already on record as supporting the precedent of RoevsWade. Bringing a direct challenge now before the vote count is favorable would only REINFORCE the precedent of Roe instead of potentially overturning it.

Let me guess, you are a “Kmiec” pro-lifer…

I’ve seen Rob to be a reliable Catholic, not a Catholic in Name Only (CINO) like Kmiec.

As for me, I like your profile, Catholic with no buts. It’s unfortunate that we can’t rely on lawmakers who call themselves “Catholic” to actually be Catholic, and interpreters of the Constitution to interpret according to truth which is apparent and necessary when one lives as a Catholic. How about having nine thinkers like Scalia?

 

[manualman]

I’ve seen Rob to be a reliable Catholic, not a Catholic in Name Only (CINO) like Kmiec.

As for me, I like your profile, Catholic with no buts. It’s unfortunate that we can’t rely on lawmakers who call themselves “Catholic” to actually be Catholic, and interpreters of the Constitution to interpret according to truth which is apparent and necessary when one lives as a Catholic. How about having nine thinkers like Scalia?

I don’t necessarily thing Kmiec is a CINO. By my jab, I meant a catholic who rationalizes voting for overtly ‘pro-choice’ candidates. In my own family, I have people who would never condone or recommend abortion, have offered heroic assistance to mothers to help prevent abortion, attend mass more than weekly, go to confession, even fast and pray and yet consistently vote for pro-abortion candidates. It isn’t an issue of being a CINO, it’s one of being genuinely deceived about the true proportionate impact of abortion compared to other evils in our society.

Scalia isn’t my ideal justice either. Obviously I like his abortion stance. If we’re wishing, I’ll take 9 Jesuses please.

 

[MDK]

I don’t necessarily thing Kmiec is a CINO. By my jab, I meant a catholic who rationalizes voting for overtly ‘pro-choice’ candidates. In my own family, I have people who would never condone or recommend abortion, have offered heroic assistance to mothers to help prevent abortion, attend mass more than weekly, go to confession, even fast and pray and yet consistently vote for pro-abortion candidates. It isn’t an issue of being a CINO, it’s one of being genuinely deceived about the true proportionate impact of abortion compared to other evils in our society.

Scalia isn’t my ideal justice either. Obviously I like his abortion stance. If we’re wishing, I’ll take 9 Jesuses please.

Your original post wasn’t hard to understand. I restrained myself from using additional terms to illustrate the point of not fully adhering to Catholicism, like Cafeteria Catholic, Catholic when Convenient… hoping that it would be understood. It is these who are not fully committed, pick and choose, interpreting for themselves who are more likely to become deceived and be off track. I hoped you would realize that the idea was not fully buying into full Catholicism, like not relying on the Magisterial teachings, full doctrine, full Sacraments. Since no man is perfect, and Christ is still in Heaven seated on His Throne, Scalia type is a decent choice in government or on the bench. You do realize that perfection for man is not possible without Christ, and I know of none other than the God-man who have lived perfectly. While there is one Christ, one Lord, one Shepherd, we here on earth are called to listen those whom He sent. In doing so, we are listening to Christ. So, if the lawmakers and justices listen to those Christ sent, they will be listening to Christ… If they listen to and do the will of Christ, that’s what we want here on earth, while the King is in Heaven.

Nine people with gift of wisdom from the Holy Spirit is obviously what is desired, people who are in Christ and don’t compromise the truth in making law nor in interpreting law.

 

[RobHom]

If you like political mystery thrillers involving conspiracy theories where the bad guys always wear red and the good guys always wear blue.

I do like fiction written by good authors, but when it comes to real life I tend to look in many places for information. I am not a “conspiracy buff” by any stroke of the imagination…I am a pragmatist and a realist…

Oh, by the way…I am an “NPA” registered voter, with absolutely no allegiance to any party…

 

[RobHom]

Nonsense. Do a little independent digging and you will immediately discover that catholic justice Kennedy is already on record as supporting the precedent of RoevsWade. Bringing a direct challenge now before the vote count is favorable would only REINFORCE the precedent of Roe instead of potentially overturning it.

OK, so…what about the Episcopalian and the Protestant, or maybe at least one of the Jewish Justices…

You seem to have given up already. Why, when all of the Justices identify with religious groups that all good adherents of those groups detest abortion.

Let me guess, you are a “Kmiec” pro-lifer…

MDK already answered that for you…

 

[manualman]

Rob, you honestly think nobody has checked to see how those guys would vote? It’s an open and shut case, we are down 5-4.

Go ask Father Pavone if you like. Unless you think he’s in on the conspiracy to keep us all voting red…

 

[RobHom]

Rob, you honestly think nobody has checked to see how those guys would vote? It’s an open and shut case, we are down 5-4.

Go ask Father Pavone if you like. Unless you think he’s in on the conspiracy to keep us all voting red…

Then if all of this is known…then why do people consistently and insistently demand that the government solve the issue? As the old saying goes “there is more than one way to skin a cat”.

I personally believe that there are many non-violent and wholly legal ways of defeating abortion… and they don’t involve the government or lawmakers.

Oh, btw…I’m not much of one for conspiracies…

 

[manualman]

It’s a matter of basic justice. Will abortion end if it is made illegal? Nope. If regular murder hasn’t ended, why would abortion? So why are other kinds of murder illegal? Answer: because it HELPS.

I get the idea of opposing abortion in other ways, and appreciate it. But the biblical principle applies here (bad paraphrase warning!): should the hand say to the ear, what good are you? Or the eye say to the foot, how far can you see?

The effort is multifaceted and requires pressure on all fronts. The facts of life are that the only way to criminalize abortion are to:

1. Pass a constitutional amendment.
2. Overturn RoevsWade.

Since Roe was a horrible judicial abuse of power in the first place (making up constitutional rights) AND since it is as close at replacing ONE justice on the wrong side of things, that has been the major strategy on the legal side.

Of course we need to do other things as well. My family has taken in relatives in crisis pregnancy and helped arrange an adoption for another as part of our response. But that doesn’t give me a pass on voting for somebody who is out to perpetuate Roe. Too bad this is a moot discussion now. Kmiec and his cohorts just set back the date Roe will be overturned by DECADES.

 

[turtle18]

I don’t necessarily thing Kmiec is a CINO.

Come on…if Kmiec were the devout Catholic he claims he is, he would be taking these issues to Confession, not to every public forum where he is trying to justify how right he is and how wrong & evil all the rest of us are. Pride goeth before the fall.

I think St. Kmiec protests just a little bit too much…

Church history is full of Catholics with muddled consciences who supported nazism & slavery. The problem always comes in when one believes their own conscience is somehow smarter, better & bigger than than the God-(name removed by moderator)ired teachings of the Church.