Kneeling and silence during the Creed

[netmilsmom]

Dr. Bombay:

(Of course, do the Lions ever maul anybody, really?)

Pitifully, no.

 

[davy39]

We neither bow or kneel during the creed at our parish. But, as in a previous post, we do have applause for the choir, the cleaning committee, the flower committee, etc, etc. All I could think of was the crystal cathedral on tv. Before Mass, it was so noisy, I thought a basketball game would start anytime. Kind of sickening to this old pre-vatican 2 Catholic.

 

[Morning_Glory]

Br. Rich SFO:

You are aware that Christmas Mass is an obligation. Intentionally missing Mass on Christmas (in prior years) is a grave sin requiring Sacramental confession before returning to Holy Communion?

Goodness you are being way harsh here and making assumptions to boot . Yes, I am aware of this NOW. But while being away from the church, and before ceasing to attend church I had no idea. My religious teaching was, sad to say, incomplete.

I am currently waiting for the next sessions of RCIA to start, since there wasn’t enough people to form a class at my parish, and the other nearby parishes either never returned my calls or had already began classes.

So, no Holy Communion and a lot of prayers.

Maggie

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Morning Glory:

Goodness you are being way harsh here and making assumptions to boot . Yes, I am aware of this NOW. But while being away from the church, and before ceasing to attend church I had no idea. My religious teaching was, sad to say, incomplete.

I am currently waiting for the next sessions of RCIA to start, since there wasn’t enough people to form a class at my parish, and the other nearby parishes either never returned my calls or had already began classes.

So, no Holy Communion and a lot of prayers.

Maggie

Not intending to be harsh, just certain. I wanted to insure that any others who read this understand that Sunday and Holy Day Mass is not optional to a Catholic. My prayers are with you on your journey back.

 

[Cocol]

MusicMan:

Bowing during the Creed is one of those things that we’ve had since the Missal of 1970 but never got around to be encouraged universally until the revisions of 2000.

The rubrics call for the faithful to genuflect instead of bow during the words of The Incarnation on the Solemnities of the Nativity of the Lord and the Feast of the Annunciation. If the Creed is sung, then the faithful are to kneel during the words of The Incarnation.

Not sure about having silence while we do so, but certainly if the Creed is sung and the composer had put in silence for the people to observe…

IHS
Hence, when the Creed is/was chanted, beginning with the words, “et incarnatus est…” the tempo slows until the end of “et Homo factus est”, at which point people were/are kneeling, followed by a pause. Then the tempo picks up rapidly as the people rise with the words, “Crucifixus etiam pro nobis…”

God bless.

Cocol

 

[Cocol]

Dr. Bombay:

…he had time at the end of Mass to thank:
The parish secretary. (applause) The parish DRE. (applause) The choir director. (applause) The children’s choir. (applause)
The liturgy committee. (applause) The people who decorated the church. (applause) The lady who signed the Mass for the deaf. (applause) The aforementioned NFL team. (applause and much hooting)

IHS

…and never a Deo gratias to be found?!?

God bless.

Cocol

 

[Michael038]

Joysong:

Yes, our priest observed this customary pause to kneel.
I do not know of any parish that would fail in homage to Our Lord during this part of the Creed on the Solemnity of Christmas. You won’t see it during other times of the liturgical cycle, however.

Welcome home!

Our church didnt do this.

 

[MusicMan]

Dr. Bombay:

liturgical snob

I haven’t been here long enough to know if you coined this term before I used it in one of my previous posts on this topic. I have read enough of your posts for you to have earned my respect. I am humbled at the notion that we may be thinking on similar wave lengths.
Dr. Bombay:

Perhaps he skipped it because he wanted to be sure he had time at the end of Mass to thank:

The parish secretary. (applause)
The parish DRE. (applause)
The choir director. (applause)
The children’s choir. (applause)
The liturgy committee. (applause)
The people who decorated the church. (applause)
The lady who signed the Mass for the deaf. (applause)
The aforementioned NFL team. (applause and much hooting)

We must have our priorities in order after all.

I wonder if they hooted about football teams in the early Church?

With the exception of the NFL team ( ), I don’t think it’s unreasonable to thank the above people at Christmas and Easter for all of their contributions of time and talent. Many of these people serve their ministries to the Church faithfully throughout the year with very little recognition.

I am now serving Music Ministry in my fifth Catholic Church. I have worked for a wide continuum of priests, from the very orthodox to the very liberal. All of them have thanked the above during the GIRM-allowed “announcements” moment at the end of the Mass for their contributions. However… having applause after each of them is going to far. I don’t see an issue with applause after they are all recognized, although I certainly am interested in what others have to say on this topic.

Of course with the Mass you witnessed, I could certainly see where this would be the icing on the cake.

Ug… if I had been you, I would have gone to a more orthodox Mass on Christmas Day too.

 

[netmilsmom]

Morning Glory:

I am currently waiting for the next sessions of RCIA to start, since there wasn’t enough people to form a class at my parish, and the other nearby parishes either never returned my calls or had already began classes.

Maggie

Hey! How far are you from Sterling Heights? You can join my hubby at RCIA!

 

[leaner]

Tonks40:

In regards to the Creed during regular Masses, it’s a bummer that very few in my congregation bows during the words “By the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man.” But then again, I may not be able to observe because I’m bowing.

Is it awful, but I kind of think less of a priest who does not bow during this time, or those who do not bow their heads at Jesus’ name…(as I’ve always been told to do by priests growing up…) – I thought that was ‘standard’ practice for a priest, let alone layperson?

 

[Catholic_Heart]

Morning Glory:

The first time I’ve been to Christmas Mass in many, many years and our priest had us kneel and observe silence for 30 seconds during the part of the Creed where we usually bow.

Not many people bow on a normal Sunday, and father having us kneel and observe silence was really quite wonderful.

Is this familiar with anyone else?

Our pastor had us kneel at that time, too. It was great!

 

[muledog]

I’m not sure if anyone has posted the link to the General Instruction of the Roman Missal yet, but here it is, in case you were wondering.
GIRM:

The Creed is sung or recited by the priest together with the people (cf. above, no. 68) with everyone standing. At the words et incarnatus est (by the power of the Holy Spirit . . . became man) all make a profound bow; but on the Solemnities of the Annunciation and of the Nativity of the Lord, all genuflect.

 

[Dr.Bombay]

MusicMan:

I haven’t been here long enough to know if you coined this term before I used it in one of my previous posts on this topic. I have read enough of your posts for you to have earned my respect. I am humbled at the notion that we may be thinking on similar wave lengths.

With the exception of the NFL team ( ), I don’t think it’s unreasonable to thank the above people at Christmas and Easter for all of their contributions of time and talent. Many of these people serve their ministries to the Church faithfully throughout the year with very little recognition.

I am now serving Music Ministry in my fifth Catholic Church. I have worked for a wide continuum of priests, from the very orthodox to the very liberal. All of them have thanked the above during the GIRM-allowed “announcements” moment at the end of the Mass for their contributions. However… having applause after each of them is going to far. I don’t see an issue with applause after they are all recognized, although I certainly am interested in what others have to say on this topic.

Of course with the Mass you witnessed, I could certainly see where this would be the icing on the cake.

Ug… if I had been you, I would have gone to a more orthodox Mass on Christmas Day too.

MusicMan, I think you are the originator of the term “liturgical snob.” :tiphat: I have been called “uncharitable” and “unchristian” for my various views on the Mass. I hope to be called a “troglodyte” someday.

I have no problem with thanking people at the appropriate time during Mass. But it seems like today, no one can be thanked in a Catholic church without the congregation bursting into applause. Really, is it that applause-worthy?

At this point, when I attend Mass I just expect the proper words of Consecration and valid matter. If I get that, I’m satisfied. Abuses continue apace with no end in sight. No sense grinding my teeth about it. I won’t have any left before too long.

I wonder if the Mass I attended on Christmas Eve is what some people mean by the “new springtime.” Because that kind of thing, to greater or lesser degrees, seems to be quite common in the average American parish.

 

[Morning_Glory]

Br. Rich SFO:

Not intending to be harsh, just certain. I wanted to insure that any others who read this understand that Sunday and Holy Day Mass is not optional to a Catholic. My prayers are with you on your journey back.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to be harsh myself. Thanks for the prayers, they are truly needed.

 

[Morning_Glory]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Hey! How far are you from Sterling Heights? You can join my hubby at RCIA!

It depends. If I take the overland roads, it would be about an hour. If I take I-75, I could be there in a few months .

 

[maryj]

Monica37:

We did not do this this year. I was kinda shocked because we have done this in our parish at Christmas and Easter every year. I was also surprised that no one else seemed surprised. I have to admit that I looked around because I knew that we were supposed to do it. We do have a new priest so maybe that was it. I like doing it though. The TLM does this at every Mass.

Kinda shocked and so totally disappointed. Our associate pastor was ordained last June, seems like we belong to the same parish, wouldn’t that be funny!!!

 

[maryj]

Tonks40:

In regards to the Creed during regular Masses, it’s a bummer that very few in my congregation bows during the words “By the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man.” But then again, I may not be able to observe because I’m bowing.

We bow profoundly at my parish, at the instructions of all three priests in our parish, and the reason I know that most everyone is bowing is not by turning and looking but by the change of the tone of voices!! all heads bowed and then returned upright. It has always been such a joyous sound to me. Kinda like when one of the readings is too long to finish on one page and everyone in the church turns the page at the same time. I don’t know what that has to do with this thread though, my apologies!!

 

[SummaTheo]

Dr. Bombay:

At this point, when I attend Mass I just expect the proper words of Consecration and valid matter. If I get that, I’m satisfied. Abuses continue apace with no end in sight. No sense grinding my teeth about it. I won’t have any left before too long.

I wonder if the Mass I attended on Christmas Eve is what some people mean by the “new springtime.” Because that kind of thing, to greater or lesser degrees, seems to be quite common in the average American parish.

Have no fear Benedict is here: onelacatholic.blogspot.com/2005/12/benedict-starts-cracking-down-on.html

 

[Morning_Glory]

**Theo,

I’m glad to see that you are back home!!

I am finding that after posting this that I am watching Fr., even closer now to see when to bow and cross myself.

Something that is starting to bother me a little lately: Father has had to start to tell people when to stand and when to kneel lately. Weird. I’ve seen some “new” faces lately, but they are older parishoners. New Year’s Sunday I was the only person standing before the Sign of Peace. Thought I was doing something wrong, but Fr., then told everyone to stand. No, I wasn’t standing early either .**

 

[AMDG1]

Dr. Bombay:

Very nice.

At the Christmas Eve Mass I attended, the Creed was skipped altogether. So was the Penetential Rite. And the Kyrie. On the plus side, there was clapping during the Gloria. The kids were invited to surround the altar and, of course, remain standing right through the Consecration. Father encouraged us all to hold hands during the Our Father. And he gave a big shout out just before the final blessing to our local NFL team for their big Christmas Eve victory and wished everyone a Happy Hanukah and Kwanza. It was truly an inspiring celebration of the Sacred Mysteries.

Or it reduced my time in Purgatory. Take your pick.

Too stinkin’ funny. Sounds like I could run into you at my church. Our priest also told us all to hold hands during the Our Father…which kinda surprised me and I stared straight ahead in shock for a moment (too long) when my wife stuck her elbow in my ribs and said through her teeth “hold that guy’s hand across the aisle.” I complied (hey, she’s the boss) but I have no idea what the guy looked like because I didn’t even look at him. I think this was well-intentioned enough (and certainly harmless) but good grief !