Kneeling During Consecration

[dal11]

i need everyones help, please. me and my brother got into a big discussion about his parish. they took out their kneelers. he said now that they have no kneelers to kneel on he isn’t required to kneel. i say just because they took the kneelers out this dosen’t release you from kneeling. dosen’t it have to meet some other requirements?something like there’s no room or a physical disability or even physical discomfort to which you can’t stay kneeling, but not just because they took your kneelers out. does anyone know what the g.i.r.m. says about this. should he still kneel? i say yes.

 

[katherine2]

he cannot be denied communion because he does not kneel.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

dal11:

i need everyones help, please. me and my brother got into a big discussion about his parish. they took out their kneelers. he said now that they have no kneelers to kneel on he isn’t required to kneel. i say just because they took the kneelers out this dosen’t release you from kneeling. dosen’t it have to meet some other requirements?something like there’s no room or a physical disability or even physical discomfort to which you can’t stay kneeling, but not just because they took your kneelers out. does anyone know what the g.i.r.m. says about this. should he still kneel? i say yes.

The GIRM says kneel from the “Holy, Holy, Holy” to the “Great Amen.” At least in the US, with the exceptions you already noted.

 

[rlg94086]

katherine2:

he cannot be denied communion because he does not kneel.

I don’t think his brother can deny him communion, unless his brother is the priest . The bigger question is why in the world were the kneelers removed? I’m guessing there are plenty of other abuses to go with that action. Time to find a new parish…

God Bless,

Robert.

 

[Sowndog]

I wouldn’t make too great a fuss about this issue. I pray for the day when this is all the Church has to worry about!

 

[rlg94086]

Sowndog:

I wouldn’t make too great a fuss about this issue. I pray for the day when this is all the Church has to worry about!

In the greater scheme of things, you are of course right. Don’t sweat the small stuff!

That said, if given a choice of parishes where one is following the Church teachings and the other isn’t, I’ll take the one that is. I join you in your prayers.

God Bless,

Robert.

 

[dal11]

maybe i explained it wrong. he isn’t being denied communion. i’m talking about during the consecration should they be kneeling even though they don’t have kneelers. i was hopeing someone could show me what it says exactly in the g.i.r.m. about kneeling during consecration.

 

[netmilsmom]

rlg94086:

In the greater scheme of things, you are of course right. Don’t sweat the small stuff!

That said, if given a choice of parishes where one is following the Church teachings and the other isn’t, I’ll take the one that is. I join you in your prayers.

God Bless,

Robert.

I join in prayers as well. Doing the novena to the Miraculous Metal for the poorly guided Catholics. Time to include this!

For all of those who want to follow the churches teachings, talk with your feet! More conservative parishes are there to be found!

 

[rlg94086]

dal11:

maybe i explained it wrong. he isn’t being denied communion. i’m talking about during the consecration should they be kneeling even though they don’t have kneelers. i was hopeing someone could show me what it says exactly in the g.i.r.m. about kneeling during consecration.

Sorry for the little diversion…

Here’s what I found on EWTN’s website (through a search):

Circumstances. The law itself foresees the possibility that the celebrant could grant an exception, or the person excuse himself from kneeling, “on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason” (GIRM 43). The keys are good reasons and occasions. If Mass must be held in a gym or outdoors, or it’s a crowded Midnight Mass, or you are sick and don’t feel you can kneel, or similar just causes, then there is a good reason for not kneeling. Occasions means particular circumstances that apply once, or periodically, or even for a period of time, such as during a church’s construction, as opposed to being the norm.

No kneelers. The liturgical law says we are to kneel, it does not require kneelers. There can only be one of two reasons a Catholic church would be built without kneelers or would remove them. Either the pastor is faithful and wants his people to do some penance by kneeling on the floor, in which case they should oblige him, or, he intends to disobey the liturgical law of the Roman Rite, in which case they should obey the Church. Naturally, if it is too hard for them to kneel then they are excused by n.43.

ewtn.com/expert/answers/kneeling_at_the_consecration.htm

IOW…yes, your brother should kneel unless he is unable according to GIRM 43, and the priest was wrong to remove the kneelers if he was doing it to disobey liturgical law.

God Bless,

Robert.