Kneeling during the Consecration

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I still don’t understand why they had to mess around with the whole thing! They want unity and we already had that, now we have chaos!! I do not want to kneel because I want to be different or show that I am more reverent than anyone else…I want to kneel because I want to pray. I want to speak to the Lord and have Him speak to my heart. The way it is now we all stand around looking and feeling stupid with little time for intimacy. Some churches are doing it this way and some that. I can’t help but feel since all the bishops are not in unity on this that where chaos and confusion are found that this is not of God. I believe that the devil has entered the church and causing the disunity that we are feeling. What is wrong with people praying like they used to? I feel like a puppet being yanked around on a string and I know that several of the priests who pushed for these changes in our diocese are off on other areas that are important like pro-life!
 
This is totally off-topic - but what is a dorm? I assumed initially that it was short for ‘dormitory’, but clearly no one’s talking about everyone squashing into a bedroom for Mass. Something to do with a college? Probably I’m the only UK person on the list who doesn’t know this, but I’d be grateful for clarification.

Sue
 
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Teresita:
This is totally off-topic - but what is a dorm? I assumed initially that it was short for ‘dormitory’, but clearly no one’s talking about everyone squashing into a bedroom for Mass. Something to do with a college? Probably I’m the only UK person on the list who doesn’t know this, but I’d be grateful for clarification.

Sue
At Notre Dame our dorms or dormitories have chapels. We have Mass in those Chapels at night on Sundays and days of the week.
 
Here’s an explanation from Catholics United for the Faith that I found today. I thought I’d pass it along…it may repeat some of what’s been said already:

Kneeling during the consecration is the norm. Number 43 of the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) essentially repeats the 1975 GIRM with regard to kneeling at the consecration. It adds to the list of exceptions that of health concerns along with lack of space, etc. (reasons of health should obviously be understood as health problems that impede kneeling in some way). However, kneeling at the consecration continues to be the universal norm.

The US bishops received permission to extend the time of kneeling through the Great Amen, that is, through the entire Eucharistic prayer. The new GIRM, no. 43 (in the universal edition prior to approved US adaptations), notes that wherever this practice exists, it is “laudably retained” (hic laudabiliter retinetur). So, not only does the new GIRM repeat the norm of 1975, it adds the positive comment on what is particular law in the United States and other places.

The Vatican approved edition of the GIRM, with adaptations for the dioceses of the United States, reads as follows for no. 43:
Code:
In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason. Those who do not kneel ought to make a profound bow when the priest genuflects after the consecration. The faithful kneel after the Agnus Dei unless the Diocesan Bishop determines otherwise.
Notice that the diocesan bishop may determine another posture after the “Lamb of God,” but that same provision is not given in the case of the Eucharistic Prayer. Kneeling from the end of the Sanctus through the Great Amen is particular law for all the dioceses of the United States. The bishop is the one who regulates liturgical celebrations in his diocese, but he does so in terms of the law, not arbitrarily.

The latest statement on this is in the July 2002 Newsletter from the United States Committee on the Liturgy. It states: “The variation from kneeling as the uniform posture during the Eucharistic Prayer is permitted only ‘on occasion’ and when the circumstances found by GIRM (no. 43) are clearly present." The full paragraph states:
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Such uniformity serves as a "sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered for the sacred Liturgy" and it "both expresses and fosters the spiritual attitude of those assisting" (GIRM, no. 42). Likewise, a lack of uniformity can serve as a sign of disunity or even a sense of individualism. A particular example of this disunity has been cited by many of the Bishops in regard to a diversity of postures during the Eucharistic Prayer, "the center and summit of the entire celebration" (GIRM, no. 78).
Thus, the variation from kneeling as the uniform posture during the Eucharistic Prayer is permitted only “on occasion” and when the circumstances found by GIRM (no. 43) are clearly present. (The July 2002 BCL Newletter is available on the website.)

The intentions of the bishops’ conference are clear that a deviation from kneeling throughout the Eucharistic prayer must always be exceptional. Clearly, this norm cannot be modified arbitrarily.
 
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Crusader:
You are mistaken.

The only valid reasons for not kneeling during the consecration in the Latin Rite in the USA is:

1.) An individual is unable to stand due to health constraints.

2.) There is not enough physical room to kneel.
No dearie, it is you who are mistaken. The GIRM states:

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**They should kneel at the consecration, except: (1) when prevented by reasons of health, **

(2) lack of space

(3) the number of people present


**(4) or some other good reason. **
 
one reason parishes encourage standing during the entire Eucharistic prayer is oddly enough out of concern for reverence. if you cannot kneel because of bad knees, back etc, the only option is sitting, while others kneel, you can only stand if everyone else is standing, and sitting feels more irreverent (unless you are in a wheelchair). Our postures and other actions at Mass are signs of unity only if we are united and all are allowed to follow the laws. Preventing people, shaming them, or berating them for following the law is a breech of Christian charity and destroys unity.
 
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puzzleannie:
one reason parishes encourage standing during the entire Eucharistic prayer is oddly enough out of concern for reverence. if you cannot kneel because of bad knees, back etc, the only option is sitting, while others kneel, you can only stand if everyone else is standing, and sitting feels more irreverent (unless you are in a wheelchair). Our postures and other actions at Mass are signs of unity only if we are united and all are allowed to follow the laws. Preventing people, shaming them, or berating them for following the law is a breech of Christian charity and destroys unity.
Er - but if you’re in a wheelchair, or have severe arthritis (as one or two dear ladies in our parish have) then you can’t stand properly either. Whatever the standard is, there are going to be people who can’t participate in it! Why anyone should feel shamed or berated because they can’t kneel I really don’t know. In England, we kneel from after the Sanctus through to the Great Amen, then again from after the Agnus Dei through to the final prayer; lots of our elderly people (including the sisters) don’t kneel because they’re physically incapable, and I haven’t noticed anyone shaming or berating them!

Sue
 
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