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zab
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I don’t like the tone of your posts.
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mkingdomlvr
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I’ve done that too-it’s sort of like a walking lunge. It works fine. I’m standing when I receive and I’ve yet to trip anyone.
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OldRedleg
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I don’t think that anyone who wants to kneel to receive communion is engaged in a “dangerous, illicit, and indecent practice”. Additionally, I agree that they are engaged in “the ancient traditional way to receive Communion.” Receiving while kneeling on the tongue can clearly be seen as a sincere expression of devotion and respect for the Eucharist. I have no doubt of your sincerity and devotion as a Catholic.
What I find interesting is the immediate assumption that anyone who abides by the norms of the United States by standing is somehow less reverent, or does not have a sincere devotion and respect to the Eucharist.
If the Bishops of the United States have asked us to stand, and you choose to exercise your right to kneel, you are going against their wishes. You are defying the desire of the Bishops and the Priests who are trying to uphold their oath of obedience to them. I think you have to agree with that assessment.
Why is it okay for you to change your posture, to kneel, to suit our own individual piety, when the Church makes it clear that our unity of posture and gesture is an expression of our participation in the one Body formed by the baptized with Christ?
Lets all try to be more civil in our posting. All of us are seeking truth in our own ways.
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OldRedleg
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I liked “cooky”. Made me think of the Cooky Monster…
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Cat
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Thank you.
Sancto Spiritu, you can label me melodramatic if you like. At this point in my life, I’m only 52 and I’m seriously facing the possibility of not walking at all in the near future (possibly next year at this time.)
This is devastating to me. The sole exercise that I have ever done regularly is walking. I love touring old homes, craft fairs, quaint villages and towns. I love travel and hiking through woods.
I can’t do any of this now, and I am totally broken-hearted. I can barely walk from my bedroom to the bathroom.
I wish I could say that I am rejoicing in my trials and offering them up to the Lord Jesus, but I’m not. Hopefully someday I will get to that point, but at THIS point in my life, I am so upset that I cry just thinking about it. It is a horrible thing to contemplate immobility at the age of 52, when many people this age are climbing Mt. Everest, or at least taking a walk around the block.
I think your sarcasm is cruel. Bubble wrap? I’m not some stupid doll. I’m a wife and mother and daughter and I have (had) a life. What a monstrous thing to say! Do you think that’s cute or clever? Did your parents raise you to make fun of disabled people? Do you think that shows reverence to the Lord Jesus?
Do you also joke about people with Down’s Syncdrome carrying drool buckets?
I think that if you read “the documents” you will find many many writings by the saints and our Popes and the inspired writers of Scripture admonishing us to love one another. Your calling me “melodramatic” is not showing love. Quite the contrary.
Someday perhaps YOU will face a disabling condition, and hopefully, no one will tell YOU that you are being melodramatic.
How old are you? I’m guessing about 21. Most 14-year-olds that I know (I work with teenagers a lot in various musical venues) have more compassion.
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Actually, in the Ordinary Form, kneeling for communion IS “against the rules.” The GIRM sets out the rubrics for the Priests and laity for the Mass in the Ordinary Form. This is from Rome, not just some whim.
If you have a specific attachment to kneeling, I would suggest trying to attend a Mass said in the Traditional Latin form (Extraordinary Form). The F.S.S.P. is one order that offers Mass according to the liturgical books of 1962. (I attend an F.S.S.P. mass in Sacramento almost every week.)
Otherwise, you could also spend time either before or after mass in Eucharistic adoration.
While I understand your sentiments completely, we are called to obedience, not just in the things we like, but in all things that are justly required by our superiors - in this case the GIRM. So, unless and until the GIRM is changed, it’s not OK to just go out on your own and do what you like - it’s not pleasing to God to disobey His Church, no matter how reverently you feel you are doing it.
There are correct times and places for all things (to paraphrase the Bible), and kneeling during communion at an OF mass is not the correct time for that.
Peace,
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Walking_Home
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Actually Rome has spoken on the matter of kneeling for communion—and as Rome being the legitimate authority on the matter of how the GIRM is to be applied and understood–Rome has stated that those who kneel are not to be interfered with.
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zab
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I hope that you did not mean this in the way that it sounds. You should not be discouraging people from attending Mass if they want to be there.
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Sancto_Spiritu
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Wrong. Kneeling is not against any rules. If it were, the GIRM would say so. But it doesn’t.
Oh, and if kneeling for Communion is against the rules, you can be the one to tell the Pope, as he only gives Communion on the tongue to kneeling people.
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OH NO! Naughty Pope! :tsktsk:
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Corki
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- It might be going against the wishes of the Bishops - not all the Bishops, but the USCCB. But their *wishes *and mine don’t always correspond. It’s no big deal. The Bishop’s don’t follow the wishes or even flat-out directives of the Vatican and I think that’s a bigger deal but the topic of another thread. What the Vatican has explicitly stated is that going against the wishes of the USCCB is not the same as being disobedient. The power to compel our obedience to a Bishop is limited. (and requiring obedience to the USCCB is non-existent, IMHO
) - During the Communion procession, we do not have a unity of posture anyway. The Body of Christ who have not received yet are usually a mix of sitting and kneeling. Those who have received are the same. Those who want to be part of the procession but not receive are walking with arms crossed. Some are wandering as if it was intermission at the theater. The USCCB asked for a sign of reverence that was a bow but since they left it vague, we see everything from a deep bow (like during the Creed) to a nod of the head to a barely imperceptible flinch. Somehow, in all of this disunity, the only thing that gets people riled up is whether someone wants to genuflect or kneel?
- If you believe someone is acting uncharitably, please report the post to the moderator. It’s their job to keep us all in line.
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Phemie
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Once again, I repeat, Rome has spoken and said that those who kneel for Communion in the OF are neither disobedient nor doing anything illicit but are upholding an ancient tradition.
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pickguard1
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edit* In the United States, that is.
Of course, the Pope can require anyone to receive communion however he likes - he does have universal jurisdiction and authority, after all. But everyone else is subject to their local ordinary (Bishop), who is, in turn subject to the Pope’s authority.
So really, until the Pope comes to town and gives communion to people on the tongue while kneeling, the norms established in the GIRM should be followed.
just my :twocents:
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