Kneeling punishments for children?

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As many people have said, I don’t think it’s a good idea. My parents raised me in a way that I associate kneeling with prayer. My logic is that if they see kneeling as a punishment, then they might feel the same way about prayer. And we all know that prayer is anything but a punishment.
 
Ophelia23 said:
The photo posted above is cruel and it makes me cringe just to see it. I do not come to CAF to see images of abused children. Please take the photo down.
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I wasn’t posting with any negative intentions. I was simply recalling a photo I had seen that goes along with the subject matter of this thread. It makes me cringe too, and I also think it is cruel. But I think it brings to light the harsh reality, and seeing the photo prevents people from underestimating just how cruel it is. I apologize for offending you so gravely. My intentions are to never hurt or offend anyone when I post. I will take it down as soon as I figure out how.

God bless.
 
MarshallJackson said:
I wasn’t posting with any negative intentions. I was simply recalling a photo I had seen that goes along with the subject matter of this thread. I also think it is cruel, and I believe seeing the photo prevents people from underestimating just how cruel it is. I apologize that you take such offense at that. I will take it down as soon as I figure out how.

God bless.
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Actually, I thought your image was probably the best answer to the OP 🤷
 
It’s abusive. Time out works just fine for most kids. Especially kids in Catholic families who tend to be quite a lot better behaved than their secular counterparts.

Forcing them to kneel on rice is painful and humiliating. That sort of “discipline” will not help your child in any way.
 
Rence said:
Actually, I thought your image was probably the best answer to the OP 🤷
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That was my thought, but all the same I don’t want to upset anybody. Unfortunately I’m having trouble figuring out how to delete it since it was posted about an hour ago 😦
 
MarshallJackson said:
That was my thought, but all the same I don’t want to upset anybody. Unfortunately I’m having trouble figuring out how to delete it since it was posted about an hour ago 😦
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I think that after a certain period of time, posts can no longer be edited. After taking some time away from the thread, I have come back in with a clearer mind. I understand your intentions. I perhaps am being over-sensitive to the image. And to what Rence said, I agree. Perhaps your photo really is the best possible response to the OP. It shows how incredibly cruel the whole concept is.

I hold absolutely no ill will toward you, my friend. 🙂
 
MarshallJackson said:
That was my thought, but all the same I don’t want to upset anybody. Unfortunately I’m having trouble figuring out how to delete it since it was posted about an hour ago 😦
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Only the mods can take it down, now. You can PM one of them if you want, though I think it adds to the thread.

The point of discipline should not be causing pain and suffering. It should be teaching. Spanking and time-outs accomplish that just fine for younger kids, and I don’t see how this other method is in any way preferable. Even if it’s not abusive- and I haven’t tried it, so I don’t know if I’d use that term- it’s still messy, humiliating, time-consuming, and may cause negative associations with kneeling. It doesn’t seem like it can be used as a convenient teaching aid the way time-outs can be. In all likelihood, it’ll just lead to resentment.
 
Ophelia23 said:
I think that after a certain period of time, posts can no longer be edited. After taking some time away from the thread, I have come back in with a clearer mind. I understand your intentions. I perhaps am being over-sensitive to the image. And to what Rence said, I agree. Perhaps your photo really is the best possible response to the OP. It shows how incredibly cruel the whole concept is.

I hold absolutely no ill will toward you, my friend. 🙂
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Oh, that would explain it :o haha. I completely understand the sensitivity to the image. I felt the same when I first saw it. I have such knobbly knees that I have trouble kneeling on much of any hard surface in the first place, let alone putting my weight on even smaller points of contact. It’s crazy to even think about. :confused:
 
For those who think that we need to teach our children self discipline through physical mortification…

children need to be children.

Matthew 6:34 sufficient unto the day is the veil thereof.

Children need to know they are loved and cared for. They will come across enough bad stuff in their lives without having to undergo some 19th century idea of what constitutes growing up.
 
MarshallJackson said:
I wasn’t posting with any negative intentions. I was simply recalling a photo I had seen that goes along with the subject matter of this thread. It makes me cringe too, and I also think it is cruel. But I think it brings to light the harsh reality, and seeing the photo prevents people from underestimating just how cruel it is. I apologize for offending you so gravely. My intentions are to never hurt or offend anyone when I post. I will take it down as soon as I figure out how.

God bless.
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Just like how the pro-lifers use abortion photos to make people face up to the realities of abortion. So much easier to talk about this stuff in the abstract, when you don’t have a suffering child in front of you. But you see the consequences, maybe you think twice…
 
I think the OP was trolling for “evidence” to indict Catholics, operating under the bigoted assumption that Catholics enjoy punishing children.

From my experience, the opposite is the case. Catholics are generally nonviolent towards their children.

When you go to mass, you see families closer than what you typically see elsewhere. Children and parents clinging to one another in acts of love. You see siblings all in a row taking care of the younger ones in turn.

Those kids didn’t become so through violence and humiliation, but love. That is why Catholic parents in this thread have been so revolted. Such a suggestion flies in the face of everything they know to be true and good.
 
Terrible idea. Thankfully God ordained consequences to actions so I don’t have to make any up to distract away from the natural order.
 
Rete said:
I think the OP was trolling for “evidence” to indict Catholics, operating under the bigoted assumption that Catholics enjoy punishing children.

From my experience, the opposite is the case. Catholics are generally nonviolent towards their children.

When you go to mass, you see families closer than what you typically see elsewhere. Children and parents clinging to one another in acts of love. You see siblings all in a row taking care of the younger ones in turn.

Those kids didn’t become so through violence and humiliation, but love. That is why Catholic parents in this thread have been so revolted. Such a suggestion flies in the face of everything they know to be true and good.
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Well, other than Shin’s disturbing response, they aren’t getting confirmation of it being anything but an abuse against children!
 
Bonnie said:
It hurts - a lot! I used to have a skirt with a row of small beads sewn near the hem. In trying to get at something on a low shelf I accidently knelt on a bead. The amount of pain was surprising.

A child, being smaller, probably wouldn’t have as much pain. But I’m not a proponent of using pain to punish children. I think it’s barbaric.
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“Sick” was the first comment that came to my mind, but “barbaric” works too.
 
Cider said:
:mad: why would anyone even consider this?
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The only thing I can think of is if the child was in the habit of leaving a similar mess around that other children would accidentally kneel on as they played on the floor–if you don’t believe me that it hurts the other kids when you leave that mess, then you kneel on that, now do you believe me? and now get up, clean it up, and keep it cleaned up.

If it is not a natural consequence of what they’re doing to someone else, I can’t imagine it.
 
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