Knock in shambles after 'apparition'

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A blistering attack has been launched by the manager of Knock Shrine against thousands of pilgrims who stampeded and left the place “in a terrible state” on Sunday in the hopes of seeing an apparition of the Virgin Mary.

Pat Lavelle, manager of the County Mayo shrine, said, “Our basilica was left in a terrible state afterwards. It was anything but holy or reverent. There was food and drink spilled inside, chairs turned upside-down, the carpets were soiled and even worse than that.”

Eyewitness Michael Commins, a local newspaper reporter, said it was as if panic suddenly gripped pilgrims in two chapels at the back of the huge basilica dedicated to Our Lady.

irishcentral.com/news/Knock-in-shambles-after-apparition-69403287.html

This is why ecclesial obedience is important!
 
This is what happens when superstition rules over faith. Fortunately, no one was seriously hurt. 😦
 
QUOTE:* Last Saturday, Coleman and another “visionary,” Keith Henderson, knelt in the front row of a packed basilica. They claimed Our Lady appeared to them at 3 p.m., although there was a sense of anti-climax among the rest of crowd, most of whom looked constantly upwards with their cameras and mobile camera phones at the ready.*

Say ‘cheese’? :whacky:

Interesting this has happened again at a time of economic depression in Ireland. I remember the ‘moving statues’ as a youth.
 
Not a valid ‘apparition’ I trust?

These Joe Coleman and Keith Henderson characters are obviously a crocks…🤷
 
Well, anyone can say : “I’ve seen a vision”. You have to go by what occurs as a result: **the fruits. **

Also, examine the behaviour compared with that at previous, approved apparitions. Also, is what’s being pronounced contrary to Church doctrine, is the visionary making money, things like that.

e.g. This one, like Medjugorje, has the BVM saying ‘thanks’ to people for turning up and no particularly portentous message, whereas Fatima was succinct and sobering.

Also a good clue: Does the seer make any predictions which turn out to be false?
 
I wonder who gave them permission to use the Church for this demonstration of mass-hysteria, and are they approved.

I’d run a 100 miles away from these gatherings, far better to go-to Mass, Eucharistic Adoration or say the Rosary than the spinning sun, and turning a Beautiful Shrine into a version of the Spanish bull-run.

Is our faith so weak that we need visual displays, Jesus said, " you believe because you have seen, blessed are those that believe but have not seen."
 
hawkeye said:
I wonder who gave them permission to use the Church for this demonstration of mass-hysteria, and are they approved.

I’d run a 100 miles away from these gatherings, far better to go-to Mass, Eucharistic Adoration or say the Rosary than the spinning sun, and turning a Beautiful Shrine into a version of the Spanish bull-run.

Is our faith so weak that we need visual displays, Jesus said, " you believe because you have seen, blessed are those that believe but have not seen."
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I think you are missing the point of all previous appearances of Our Lady. If this has any merit, and the media is high on sensationalism and selling papers and low on accuracy, much less investigation, then the proper Church authorities will be brought in. If not, not. It will be forgotten.

Peace,
Ed
 
hawkeye said:
I wonder who gave them permission to use the Church for this demonstration of mass-hysteria, and are they approved.

I’d run a 100 miles away from these gatherings, far better to go-to Mass, Eucharistic Adoration or say the Rosary than the spinning sun, and turning a Beautiful Shrine into a version of the Spanish bull-run.

Is our faith so weak that we need visual displays, Jesus said, " you believe because you have seen, blessed are those that believe but have not seen."
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+1.

It may be my Protestant roots showing, but I wouldn’t walk across the street to see an apparition. If Mary has something to say to me she knows where I live. Meanwhile, I have Sacred Scriptures, the Church Fathers, the Catechism…

DaveBj
 
DaveBj said:
+1.

It may be my Protestant roots showing, but I wouldn’t walk across the street to see an apparition. If Mary has something to say to me she knows where I live. Meanwhile, I have Sacred Scriptures, the Church Fathers, the Catechism…

DaveBj
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Hey, did you read my script ? 🙂 was thinking after reading this OP, " If Mary wants to appear to me, She knows where I AM. "
 
Sad…so many seem to want to have a supernatural “experience” rather than living in simple faith.
 
Tigg said:
Sad…so many seem to want to have a supernatural “experience” rather than living in simple faith.
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Oh please. Where did you get this idea? After my years in Catholic grade school and high school, I heard no one say, “I wish I had a supernatural experience.” The nuns certainly didn’t tell us such a thing was going to happen to any of us. If I heard about an apparition and thought there was something to it, I might go down and look but I certainly wouldn’t knock over chairs or soil anyone’s carpet.

If you look back at other Marian apparitions, the recipients were often poor and certainly not looking out the window hoping for something like this. God sends Mary as He wills.

Peace,
Ed
 
Eucharisted said:
A blistering attack has been launched by the manager of Knock Shrine against thousands of pilgrims who stampeded and left the place “in a terrible state” on Sunday in the hopes of seeing an apparition of the Virgin Mary.

Pat Lavelle, manager of the County Mayo shrine, said, “Our basilica was left in a terrible state afterwards. It was anything but holy or reverent. There was food and drink spilled inside, chairs turned upside-down, the carpets were soiled and even worse than that.”

Eyewitness Michael Commins, a local newspaper reporter, said it was as if panic suddenly gripped pilgrims in two chapels at the back of the huge basilica dedicated to Our Lady.

irishcentral.com/news/Knock-in-shambles-after-apparition-69403287.html

This is why ecclesial obedience is important!
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What a mess! The Bishop has already expressed his disapproval. I wonder how many in the crowd were actual devout, practicing Catholics and not secular looky-loos hoping for a magic show?
 
An interesting opinion piece on this event.

Alleged ‘visionaries’ brought a parody of faith to Knock
IT WOULD be a mistake to assume that everyone who flocked to Knock to see whether Our Lady would appear or the sun would dance was brought there by religious motives. The rubbish left in the Basilica, the overturned chairs and the near stampede to the doors with no regard for the safety of others suggests strongly otherwise.
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Old-fashioned nosiness and a desire to be part of any potential excitement are rooted deep in the human psyche. But equally, not everyone was there out of curiosity or scepticism. Some people genuinely wanted to see something unique that would reinforce their faith. They were not sensation seekers, but spiritual seekers. They worry me far more than the gawpers.
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edwest2 said:
Oh please. Where did you get this idea?

Peace,
Ed
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Well Ed, I saw with my own eyes (at the supposed apparitions at Mother Cabrini Shrine in Colorado several years ago) the camera carrying crowds hoping to catch a picture of the “Lady in Pink” who supposedly was appearing to a young girl or even a picture of the “dancing clouds” in the sky. Unless you went away from the crowd, it was impossible to pray the Rosary for the circus going on, the TV cameras, and exclamations of “Oh - look at the sun - did you see that?” type of mentality. The Bishop quickly put a stop to it all.

As an ardent devotee of our Blessed Mother, I do believe in the Church approved apparitions, but sadly see that many people are looking for a miracle of extraordinary proportions instead of believing in the miracle of the Eucharist present to us at all times. This is supported by recent stats that only 30% of Catholics believe in the Real Presence. If our Lady truly decides to visit us, then that is, indeed, a wonderful event, which as someone else pointed out, will bear great and holy fruit. But now we are seeing Our Blessed Mother on tree trunks, in windows and even on burritos! I know many who have visited Medjugore multiple times.

Here is a quote from St. Louis de Montfort’s *True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin *which reflects the correct attitude to have regarding apparitions (if you substitute the word apparition for devotion.)
"…it is all the more necessary to make the right choice of the true devotion to our Blessed Lady, for now more than ever there are false devotions to her which can easily be mistaken for true one. The devil, like a counterfeiter and crafty, experienced deceiver, has already misled and ruined many Christians by means of fraudulent devotions to Our Lady.
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"Day by day he uses his diabolical experience to lead many more to their doom, fooling them, lulling them to sleep in sin and assuring them that a few prayers, even badly said, and a few exterior practices inspired by himself, are authentic devotions.
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Benedict Groeschel had a series of teachings on this. We are not to search for signs and wonders but believe in our hearts, and through the sacraments and the grace they give, grow in holiness.
 
Tigg said:
Well Ed, I saw with my own eyes (at the supposed apparitions at Mother Cabrini Shrine in Colorado several years ago) the camera carrying crowds hoping to catch a picture of the “Lady in Pink” who supposedly was appearing to a young girl or even a picture of the “dancing clouds” in the sky. Unless you went away from the crowd, it was impossible to pray the Rosary for the circus going on, the TV cameras, and exclamations of “Oh - look at the sun - did you see that?” type of mentality. The Bishop quickly put a stop to it all.

As an ardent devotee of our Blessed Mother, I do believe in the Church approved apparitions, but sadly see that many people are looking for a miracle of extraordinary proportions instead of believing in the miracle of the Eucharist present to us at all times. This is supported by recent stats that only 30% of Catholics believe in the Real Presence. If our Lady truly decides to visit us, then that is, indeed, a wonderful event, which as someone else pointed out, will bear great and holy fruit. But now we are seeing Our Blessed Mother on tree trunks, in windows and even on burritos! I know many who have visited Medjugore multiple times.

Here is a quote from St. Louis de Montfort’s *True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin *which reflects the correct attitude to have regarding apparitions (if you substitute the word apparition for devotion.)

Benedict Groeschel had a series of teachings on this. We are not to search for signs and wonders but believe in our hearts, and through the sacraments and the grace they give, grow in holiness.
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You still don’t understand me. If I thought there was something to it, I’d go. Not out of a sense of needing the experience but going to see myself. Why do people go to Fatima to this day?

Finally, don’t blame Catholics for the media’s lack of restraint and desire for novelty. I’ve never picked up a copy of the Michigan Catholic telling me to believe a vision of Mary on a burrito or clothes iron or other nonsense. The secular media likes to make fun of Christianity. It’s not my fault.

If you do know people who fell for some nonsense, I do hope you’ve spoken to them. Never in my years of being a Catholic have I felt a particular need for some ‘special’ experience. I’m just thankful for Catholic Radio in my area.

Why do only 30% of Catholics believe in the Real Presence? In my view, as someone who works in the media, it has been a long and consistant campaign by the media to, as they might put it, “demythologize” the world and replace it with what they call science. Note the numerous, and sometimes repetitive posts here attempting to explain the Work of God using some form of “science” which is also, schizophrenically, regarded by the same people as ‘silent’ about God and the supernatural. Make sense? No.

Peace,
Ed
 
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