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Robertsxxx
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If you will start forcing women to carry out all those grown people inside their bodies, to make them “survive”, then yeah I’ll be opposed to it.
Otherwise, this analogy isn’t really good.
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Otherwise, this analogy isn’t really good.
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Pro-Life_Teen
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In 97% of abortions they weren’t forced to have sex- which any basic Biology class will tell you leads to babies. Of the 3% that check rape and/or incest for their reason for abortion-- many women heal after traumatic experiences like that better without the added trauma of murdering their child. It isn’t just a ‘rapist’s baby’ it’s her child too.
Are you opposed to “forcing” fathers to hang around and help take care of their children? Forcing a mother to stay at home and take care of her children? We have roles in this life- sister, mother, daughter, son, father, husband… they are how we live. “You can’t make me do this” and “I don’t want to do that” is how spoiled children speak.
She wasn’t forced to have sex in a wide wide majority of cases. And even if so, protecting a child for a minimum of nine months before letting another family take care of them isn’t a huge terrible burden.
The feminists a couple of hundred years ago found abortions appalling, the ultimate attack on what it meant to be a woman. It destroys femininity, to take a woman’s fertility and cure it with a pill, and kill the children she carries in some sick version of equality.
It is an honour to protect life so innocent and precious.
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cathybramble
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yes. i am one of them and know several others from a support group - all of us suffered immensely. some of us still do, even decades later.lol a fair reponse& yea my fault.
So to get at least partly back on topic, do you know of anyone who went through an abortion or was planning to do one & changed their mind?
people who think abortion is liberating or beneficial to women have no clue what they’re talking about. what a fanciful idea put forward – that allowing women to consent to killing their own babies will somehow give them more opportunities for success in careers and so forth. you can take a look at the glass ceiling that still exists to see that abortion has done no such thing for us – although it does let men off the hook for taking responsibility for the children they father. it lets employers off the hook for maternity leave and insurance. everyone who advocates abortion as being a “choice” for women has something to gain from children not being born. except for people like you who are simply ignorant of the facts and prefer to remain that way.
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Chris_LaRock
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“They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn’t want to have an abortion.”killing one’s own baby is marketed as a “choice” - most women who abort, however, are doing so out of external factors such as the inability to financially support their baby.
it is not an accident that ministries like rachel’s vinyard are needed and that there is a name for the aftermath that many women experience following abortion: post abortion stress syndrome.
rachelsvineyard.org/
afterabortion.com/
catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0102.html
feministsforlife.org/
satan is a seducer. he slinks in and helps women believe lies such as, “it’s not a baby yet. it won’t feel pain. you deserve to live your life free of an unplanned child.” and women in this position are eager to be convinced. it’s only afterwards that the reality sinks in: “i have killed my own child.” it’s the regret that can’t be undone, and comes with a suicide rate all its own.
Dr. Randall, abortion physician
“Sonography in connection with induced abortion may have psychological hazards. Seeing a blown-up, moving image of the embryo she is carrying can be distressing to a woman who is about to undergo an abortion, Dr. Sally Faith Dorfman noted. She stressed that the screen should be turned away from the patient.” --“Obstetrics and Gynecology News” editorial February 15-28, 1986
“I was trained by a professional marketing director in how to sell abortions over the telephone. He took every one of our receptionists, nurses, and anyone else who would deal with people over the phone through an extensive training period. The object was, when the girl called, to hook the sale so that she wouldn’t get an abortion somewhere else, or adopt out her baby, or change her mind. We were doing it for the money.”
–Nina Whitten, chief secretary at a Dallas abortion clinic under Dr. Curtis Boyd
“Every woman has these same two questions: First, “Is it a baby?” “No” the counselor assures her. “It is a product of conception (or a blood clot, or a piece of tissue). . .How many women would have an abortion, if they told them the truth?”
–Carol Everett, former owner of two clinics and director of four “A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic” by Carol Everett ALL About Issues magazine Aug-Sept 1991, p 117
“If a woman we were counseling expressed doubts about having an abortion, we would say whatever was necessary to persuade her to abort immediately.”
–Judy W., former office manager of the second largest abortion clinic in El Paso, Texas
"We tried to avoid the women seeing them [the fetuses] They always wanted to know the sex, but we lied and said it was too early to tell. It’s better for the women to think of the fetus as an ‘it’.
–Abortion clinic worker Norma Eidelman quoted in Rachel Weeping p 34
“The counselor at our clinic would cry with the girls at the drop of a hat. She would find their weakness and work on it. The women were never given any alternatives. They were told how much trouble it is to have a baby.”
–former abortion worker Debra Harry, quoted in the film “Meet the Abortion Providers” 1989
“When discussing the sonogram, you are supposed to tell the client that it is a measurement as far as the pregnancy is concerned, but not a measure of the fetal head or anything like that.”
–Rosemary Petruso, on her training to be an abortion counselor. Her story appeared in the St.Louis Review and was also quoted in “Women Exploited: The Other Victims of Abortion” Paula Ervin, editor. Huntington: Our Sunday Visitor, 1985
“Sometimes we lied. A girl might ask what her baby was like at a certain point in the pregnancy: Was it a baby yet? Even as early as 12 weeks a baby is totally formed, he has fingerprints, turns his head, fans his toes, feels pain. But we would say ‘It’s not a baby yet. It’s just tissue, like a clot.’”
–Kathy Sparks told in “The Conversion of Kathy Sparks” by Gloria Williamson, Christian Herald Jan 1986 p 28
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Chris_LaRock
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Just to clarify: Sometimes women are forced to abort. A friend of mine on another forum was drugged by the abortionist so they could rip her baby apart in her womb without her consent. She was taken to the clinic against her will.
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cathybramble
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that sounds like kidnapping, among other things
your quotes in the previous post support what i was trying to get at - most women who abort are victimized in one way or another, even if they consent to it at the time. that’s all i was getting at.
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AHapka
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If you support a woman having a choice of what to do with her body, then I’m presuming you support her committing suicide should she choose to end her life and I presume you also support her selling her body to make money if she so chooses.
Please let me know what you think, I find it surprising many people (not sure if you are one) who support a woman doing what she wants to do with her body not supporting suicide or prostitution, for some reason…even though it’s her body.
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Chris_LaRock
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I would point out to this pro-abort that the child being aborted is being victimised.
If we are to be permitted to do whatever we choose with our bodies no matter who else is harmed by it, why do we have laws prohibiting smoking in certain public places, drunk driving, or prostitution?
This is why I don’t respond to pro-aborts. They’re murderers.
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Robertsxxx
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If there is a valid evaluate reason for the wanted suicide after careful & prolonged medical examination I am fine.
I do not have a problem with prostitution if it is done in a legal state where women are protected & require check ups.
I’m just curious, if you make it illegal, how much of the constitutions individual human rights are you planning to throw out? Wasn’t it supposed to be “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”? So women get no say in the reproductive rights, jsut because THEY bear the children?
So if you know a women is planning an abortion, even agreeing to the legal consequence, do you tie her to the bed so she’d carry out the kid or what? I’m confused on how the enforcement would work.
It’s a WHAT.
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Robertsxxx
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That’s bull. What kind of sane doctor do an abortion, for the hekc of abortion, they have enough time on their hands. I’d assume somebody from the family/spouse/etc paid them to do this.
- it’s kidnapping & forcing, these are punished by the law.
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Robertsxxx
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PS: I was looking into the medical side of it a bit more & I found a little sneak:
“In a 1990 review, the American Psychological Association (APA) found that “severe negative reactions [after abortion] are rare and are in line with those following other normal life stresses.”[35] The APA revised and updated its findings in August 2008 to account for the accumulation of new evidence, and again concluded that induced abortion did not lead to increased mental health problems… The existence of “post-abortion syndrome” is not recognized by any medical or psychological organization” (basic wiki)
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yellowbicycle
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So, if a woman is about to jump off of a bridge, you wouldn’t stop her? What if she produced, I don’t know, a note, from her psychiatrist which said she was definitely Very Unhappy? Would you stop her? After all, she had been evaluated, and it was then determined, by this particular medical examiner, that her life was indeed not worth living. Would you stop her then, or let her jump?
A woman has no say in her own reproductive rights? Really? Didn’t she choose, in the overwhelming majority of cases, to have sex? Isn’t that a choice she made?
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Valke2
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Pro lifers should make up their minds. Is abortion murder or are the mothers who choose abortion victims? Or perhaps that are victimized murderers?
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Valke2
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What about every drug user who has been victimized by the drug pushing industry?
Or that poor man who dressed as Santa and killed 9 peopld. A victim of the gun indutry?
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Lee_M
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A human being is not a WHAT. Well, I stand corrected, you come pretty close to being a WHAT with your mentallity. I’ll pray for you.
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cathybramble
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i wish pro-baby killers wouldn’t come to a catholic web site trolling for arguments.
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cathybramble
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it was a good thread chris but apparently the catholics or those who know anything about abortion, can’t talk about it without the secular police arriving on the scene to tell us the Church doesn’t know anything, women don’t suffer from abortions and aren’t lied to, and that fully formed unborn babies aren’t people.
i will never participate in another discussion on this topic if this kind of obvious trolling is the norm.
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Valke2
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THen don’t phrase abortion as murder. If you are going to equate abortion with murder than you have to equate the mothers with murderers. Not victims.
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Robertsxxx
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This made me think a bit, which abotions are we discussing here: spontaneous, induced, self-induced?
For instance, I think 60 % of conceptions ends in spontaneous abortion due to various factors: for example - exercion, trauma, even stress, not getting enough of the needed food & other supplements to sustain the fruit.
Yet, smebody in this thread before mentioned that their purpose of pro-life is to save/sustain life. So shouldn’t all pregnant women be rounded up & stacked in some hospitals, not allowed to move besides what is told by the doc, & pumped with meds that would increase the survival of the conception to decrease the numbers of spontaneous or also self-induced abortions as much as possible & “save lives”?
Furthermore, even in spontaneous abortions shouldn’t women be punished? If conception=child & should posses the same rights; when women leave their kids or starve them to death, this is punished. Spontaneous abortion can be caused by various external factors: including malnutrition, injury & trauma. In other words, the women weren’t careful enough, thus killed the “child” by not providing it with all that was needed for its survival.
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cathybramble
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they are not mutually exclusive.
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