Koreans vs. Muslims

  • Thread starter Thread starter cestusdei
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
C

cestusdei

Guest
Am I the first to notice?

A Korean man murders 32 people. The response from his family? They go into shock and must be hospitalized. The response from Korea and Koreans? They apologize profusely and ask themselves if they are to blame. The whole nation is in shock and horror. Many weep. There is no hesitation on their part. They don’t shy away or say “well they deserved it” or “that’s to bad, BUT…” No one even blames Koreans for this since it is rather unusual.

Muslims kill thousands on 911. They celebrate in the streets. There are no apologies. None of the families of the terrorists show much shock. Many blame the Americans or the US government. There is no effort to assess whether their culture might be at fault in creating these terrorists. Any suggestion of it is immediately attacked. Muslims constantly demand apologies for cartoons or anything else that annoys them and no apology is ever enough. They claim that the CIA, or Bush, or Israel/Jews did it. Terrorism is not an isolated thing with muslims, it happens daily. I have never heard a muslim apologize for ANYTHING, ever.

The constrast is striking. Koreans don’t really need to apologize, but they do. Muslims have a lot to apologize for, but they won’t and instead blame their victims. If you see any columnists mention this constrast you know they stole it from me lol.
 
cestusdei said:
Am I the first to notice?

A Korean man murders 32 people. The response from his family? They go into shock and must be hospitalized. The response from Korea and Koreans? They apologize profusely and ask themselves if they are to blame. The whole nation is in shock and horror. Many weep. There is no hesitation on their part. They don’t shy away or say “well they deserved it” or “that’s to bad, BUT…” No one even blames Koreans for this since it is rather unusual.

Muslims kill thousands on 911. They celebrate in the streets. There are no apologies. None of the families of the terrorists show much shock. Many blame the Americans or the US government. There is no effort to assess whether their culture might be at fault in creating these terrorists. Any suggestion of it is immediately attacked. Muslims constantly demand apologies for cartoons or anything else that annoys them and no apology is ever enough. They claim that the CIA, or Bush, or Israel/Jews did it. Terrorism is not an isolated thing with muslims, it happens daily. I have never heard a muslim apologize for ANYTHING, ever.

The constrast is striking. Koreans don’t really need to apologize, but they do. Muslims have a lot to apologize for, but they won’t and instead blame their victims. If you see any columnists mention this constrast you know they stole it from me lol.
Click to expand...
CestusDei,
At first I thought this is comparing apples and oranges, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense as a fitting analogy…

Are soldiers fought and died to liberate South Korea from the communist menace. Our soldiers are still in S. Korea at peace with the population. For the most part the govt. and population have cooperated with the US and they are doing well.( a stark contrast with the standard of living in the North).

Are soldiers fought and died to liberate Iraq from the human weapon of mass distruction -Sadaam Hussein. Our soldiers are still there still at war and now labeled as occupiers against “freedom fighters”. Instead of gratitude and peaceful cooperation we have resistance.
 
You’ve hit the nail on the head there.
No major Muslim organisation in the UK has unequivocally condemned 9/11 or 7/7 to my knowledge. They make statements that may sound like they do, but when you examine the specifics of what the language mean eg who are innocents in the Islamic definition, the reality is a long way short.
 
Are soldiers fought and died to liberate South Korea from the communist menace. Our soldiers are still in S. Korea at peace with the population. For the most part the govt. and population have cooperated with the US and they are doing well.( a stark contrast with the standard of living in the North).
Click to expand...
Are soldiers fought and died to liberate Iraq from the human weapon of mass distruction -Sadaam Hussein. Our soldiers are still there still at war and now labeled as occupiers against “freedom fighters”. Instead of gratitude and peaceful cooperation we have resistance.
Click to expand...
No offense meant Franciscan, but that is an absolutely terrible comparison. First of all, South Korea lived under a very repressive regime after their liberation. They are doing well now due to their own policies and own achievements and it is a little unfair to pretend that they owe the United States for that now.

The term “human weapon of mass destruction” is meaningless. It was not intelligent of some Americans to expect the Iraqis to treat them with parades and “gratitude” (though in fairness some have!). That represents an unrealistic expectation and projection of American views onto Iraqi people. Remember that when Saddam Hussein was overthrown there was a power vacuum created and a minority that had been in power for many decades (harkening back to British rule) was now powerless. Blaming this on Islam just shows a true lack of understanding.

Also, to address the original point of the post, I think it has much more to do with Korean culture than anything. It is also unfair to characterize all Muslims as unapologetic cheerleaders when 9/11 took place. Many were not. Seeing a few media images is not necessarily descriptive of the entire population of Islam.
 
Non-Muslims in the West saying things like these help Al-Qaeda and their ilk more than any Muslim could possibly do. So blind to their own prejudices they don’t realise they’re causing nothing but mutual suspicion, hatred and destruction.

Perhaps when everyone has already hated each other into oblivion they’ll realise how self-defeating this is. :confused:
 
Kadaveri said:
Non-Muslims in the West saying things like these help Al-Qaeda and their ilk more than any Muslim could possibly do. So blind to their own prejudices they don’t realise they’re causing nothing but mutual suspicion, hatred and destruction.

Perhaps when everyone has already hated each other into oblivion they’ll realise how self-defeating this is. :confused:
Click to expand...
well that’s what you think
I personally think that the West is quite eager enough to try and pretend there is no Islamist agenda that needs to be confronted
have you any knowledge of what Islmaic extremists get up to in Birmingham K?
do you have any specific refutations of the points made? apart from the pseudointellectual, Guardianista-style charge of “prejudice”?
 
cestusdei said:
Am I the first to notice?
Click to expand...
No, I noticed it too
cestusdei said:
A Korean man murders 32 people.
Click to expand...
Actually, a Korean Muslim man murders 32 people. Read more here. That article claims the Muslim had a criminal record 6 years ago for inciting religious hatred.
cestusdei said:
The response from his family? They go into shock and must be hospitalized. The response from Korea and Koreans? They apologize profusely and ask themselves if they are to blame. The whole nation is in shock and horror. Many weep. There is no hesitation on their part. They don’t shy away or say “well they deserved it” or “that’s to bad, BUT…” No one even blames Koreans for this since it is rather unusual.
Click to expand...
Koreans are good people and my neighbour is a Korean guy. I would never blame the Korean race for this murder as the crime was done by a Muslim who was a staunch Islamist.
cestusdei said:
Muslims kill thousands on 911. They celebrate in the streets. There are no apologies. None of the families of the terrorists show much shock. Many blame the Americans or the US government. There is no effort to assess whether their culture might be at fault in creating these terrorists. Any suggestion of it is immediately attacked. Muslims constantly demand apologies for cartoons or anything else that annoys them and no apology is ever enough. They claim that the CIA, or Bush, or Israel/Jews did it. Terrorism is not an isolated thing with muslims, it happens daily. I have never heard a muslim apologize for ANYTHING, ever.
Click to expand...
Blaming Jews is very typical of these fascists as antisemitism is found right inside their Qur’an and Hadith. These Islamists love conspiracy theories
cestusdei said:
The constrast is striking. Koreans don’t really need to apologize, but they do. Muslims have a lot to apologize for, but they won’t and instead blame their victims. If you see any columnists mention this constrast you know they stole it from me lol.
Click to expand...
That’s correct. Koreans do not need to apologise nor should they apologise. Its Muslim leaders, particularly the Ulama and Mufti who should apologise.
 
Murtad, the first link didn’t work for me. Could you give some more info on the VT murderer’s affiliation with Islam?
Thanks
 
jack_hawkins said:
well that’s what you think
I personally think that the West is quite eager enough to try and pretend there is no Islamist agenda that needs to be confronted
have you any knowledge of what Islmaic extremists get up to in Birmingham K?
do you have any specific refutations of the points made? apart from the pseudointellectual, Guardianista-style charge of “prejudice”?
Click to expand...
I agree with Jack Hawkins and I would add, I’m neither blind nor prejudice Sir. Simply a realist. I see the truth as it is and have no agenda to coverup or excuse evil.
 
Its Muslim leaders, particularly the Ulama and Mufti who should apologise.
Click to expand...
The gunman at VPI did not indicate in his letters, or plays that Islam was a significant factor in his attacks.

Also, the Government of Iran and Pakistan sent sympathies and condemned the violence.
 
I lived in Korea for 10 years. Korea is apologizing because it is part of their culture of collectivism. I really hope nobody blames the Korean race for what happened.

Unfortnately, if an American had done this in Korea, other Americans there would have to flee for their lives. Koreans seem to think that the action of one is a reflection of that one’s society.

I doubt Cho Seung-hui was Muslim. Where is the evidence for that?
 
The difference between Koreans and Muslims is that [South] Koreans aren’t at war, or feel threatened by the United States.

Why should Muslims apologize for “terrorist attacks” against their enemy?

Why aren’t you (as an American) apologizing for “terrorist attacks” against Muslims?

You see, moral relativism is a two-way street.
 
Catholic_Hammer said:
The difference between Koreans and Muslims is that [South] Koreans aren’t at war, or feel threatened by the United States.

Why should Muslims apologize for “terrorist attacks” against their enemy?

Why aren’t you (as an American) apologizing for “terrorist attacks” against Muslims?

You see, moral relativism is a two-way street.
Click to expand...
It’s funny that you use the words moral relativism. To me moral relativism means you make no distinction between moral violence and evil violence. That there is no good or evil it’s all relative to subjective experience/your world view etc.

You are equating what Americans are doing in Iraq with what Jihadists are doing in Iraq and around the world.That’s moral relativism. Many people are doing that it’s part of the anti-American Left’s talking points.

But let’s be clear to make them equal–Now that’s moral relatavism.
 
Franciscan said:
It’s funny that you use the words moral relativism. To me moral relativism means you make no disctinction between moral violence and evil violence. That there is no good or evil it’s all relative to subjective experience/your world view etc.

You are equating what Americans are doing in Iraq with what Jihadists are doing in Iraq and around the world.That’s moral relativism. Many people are doing that it’s part of the anti-American Left’s talking points.

But let’s be clear to make them equal–Now that’s moral relatavism.
Click to expand...
They ARE the same thing: Americans killing innocent Iraqis is just as evil as Saudis (most of the 9/11 “terrorists” were Saudi from what I understand) killing innocent Americans.

To insist that Muslims need to apologize for “terrorist attacks” against Americans is to insist that Americans apologize for “terrorist attacks” against Muslims.

Back to the original point: it is clear there exists a kind of “state of war” between Americans and Muslims, but not between [South] Koreans and Americans. THAT is the reason [South] Koreans are apologizing, and THAT is the reason Muslims don’t apologize to Americans and Americans don’t apologize to Muslims.
 
hammer, It is NOT the same thing. You are functioning as a terrorist apologist. We don’t intend to kill innocents, the islamic terrorists do. You are arguing right out of Osama’s playbook. No one equates Churchill with Hitler, but folks like you do. Thanks for proving my point. Muslims are at war with everyone who is not muslim. That’s what the terrorists say and what YOU say.

Yesterday 3 bible publishers were murdered in Turkey. 2 were converts. Do you think they deserved it? Muslims do. I don’t see thousands of them in the streets shouting about the “hijacking” of their religion.

The Koreans are acting in a very human way to the tragedy. Muslims do not act that way and as we see continue to blame others.
 
cestusdei said:
hammer, It is NOT the same thing. You are functioning as a terrorist apologist. We don’t intend to kill innocents, the islamic terrorists do. You are arguing right out of Osama’s playbook. No one equates Churchill with Hitler, but folks like you do. Thanks for proving my point. Muslims are at war with everyone who is not muslim. That’s what the terrorists say and what YOU say.

The Koreans are acting in a very human way to the tragedy. Muslims do not act that way and as we see continue to blame others.
Click to expand...
If you don’t think bombing a civilian neighborhood isn’t for the intention of killing innocent people, you’re stupid. If they didn’t intend to kill innocent civilians, the US military wouldn’t be bombing them. What is it that you don’t understand?

The difference between Churchill and Hitler? Churchill’s side won the war. THAT is the primary difference, and why history is written as it is today. Would Hitler be the villain and Churchill a hero if the Germans would have won The War?

Anyway, the point is: why should you expect Muslims to apologize for an “act of war” when they believe to be in a “state of war” with the United States? The [South] Koreans are traumatized by this tragedy because they have no general ill-will towards Americans.
 

B]“The difference between Churchill and Hitler? Churchill’s side won the war. THAT is the primary difference, and why history is written as it is today. Would Hitler be the villain and Churchill a hero if the Germans would have won The War?”​

ALERT! ALERT! MORAL RELATIVISM!!!

You should be ashamed of yourself. Hilter and Churchill are morally equal in your mind because you have no sense of morality, of good and evil.

According to your warped, faulty logic: If someone broke into your home and threatened to kill your spouse and you reached for a weapon and killed him. You would be evil (as evil as the man who had the intent to kill your spouse). Because you make no distinction between moral violence and violence done by evil.

This begs the question do you believe in absolute Good and absolute evil?

I believe the 9-11 terrorists and the Iraqi’s who behead people are motivated by absolute evil.

I believe defeating these is an agenda that is absolutely GOOD.
Individual people have the capacity to do good or evil.

When good people cooperate with evil or bring about evil that is “immoral”.

When evil people bring about good or cooperate with Good it is a deception.
 
Catholic Hammer, please read,

Definitions of Moral relativism on the Web:

the belief that right and wrong (ethics) are arbitrary and transitory, determined by the individual or the culture.

Moral relativism is the position that moral propositions do not reflect absolute or universal truths. It not only holds that ethical judgments emerge from social customs and personal preferences, but also that there is no single standard by which to assess an ethical proposition’s truth. Many relativists see moral values as applicable only within certain cultural boundaries. …

👍
 
I am amazed – I can almost literally feel the raging xenophobia in this thread. Cestus, you say you’re a priest? What kind of holy man, or even an imperfect man inspired to holiness, damns a billion people with a wave of his hand?

This is revolting.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top