Koreans vs. Muslims

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hammer, I was in the military so I KNOW the roe. We don’t try to target civilians and if a soldier does he can be prosecuted. When have you heard terrorists prosecuting other terrorists for killing civilians? You do want the Satanic muslims to win. Go ahead and admit it. In your tunnel vision you cannot discern good from evil. We are the good guys. If you live in America then I suggest you emigrate immediately. You forfeit the right to live in our country. If you live in a nation under our protection the same goes. It is people like you that Osama is counting on, the “useful idiots” that Lenin described in his day.
I find it rather funny that if you criticize America you suddenly are for the Muslims.

Both Americans and Muslims don’t realize that its possible to be against both. Both groups are so caught up in “you’re either with us or against us”. This is why both Americans and Muslims hate Catholics: the Church has taken a position to be against both Americans and Muslims.
 
You equated the Allies and Nazi’s. Now you equate us and the islamic terrorists. I think you misunderstand the Church. We are not pacifists. I doubt Rome wants Osama to win the war. But the idea doesn’t seem to bother you. You would sing a different tune if we lost I think. Did you watch pbs crossroads tonight? They showed the stoning of some women caught in adultery. Utterly brutal and revolting. These killers are the people you are helping. It’s a bit like you saying “cops and criminals are the same since both use violence.” But I bet if you were being robbed you would call a cop.
 
You equated the Allies and Nazi’s. Now you equate us and the islamic terrorists. I think you misunderstand the Church. We are not pacifists. I doubt Rome wants Osama to win the war. But the idea doesn’t seem to bother you. You would sing a different tune if we lost I think. Did you watch pbs crossroads tonight? They showed the stoning of some women caught in adultery. Utterly brutal and revolting. These killers are the people you are helping. It’s a bit like you saying “cops and criminals are the same since both use violence.” But I bet if you were being robbed you would call a cop.
What was the difference between the Nazis and the Soviets?

There’s no way this war can be won. It’s not a “just war”, thus it can not be won.

If a cop is a criminal then, yes, he is the same as a criminal, as he IS a criminal.

If I was being robbed, that is if my life was being threatened, I would shot the perpetrator, not call the police. What good would calling 911 be?
 
You equated the Allies and Nazi’s. Now you equate us and the islamic terrorists. I think you misunderstand the Church. We are not pacifists. I doubt Rome wants Osama to win the war. But the idea doesn’t seem to bother you. You would sing a different tune if we lost I think. Did you watch pbs crossroads tonight? They showed the stoning of some women caught in adultery. Utterly brutal and revolting. These killers are the people you are helping. It’s a bit like you saying “cops and criminals are the same since both use violence.” But I bet if you were being robbed you would call a cop.
What was the difference between the Nazis and the Soviets?

There’s no way this war can be won. It’s not a “just war”, thus it can not be won.

If a cop is a criminal then, yes, he is the same as a criminal, as he IS a criminal.

If I was being robbed, that is if my life was being threatened, I would shot the perpetrator, not call the police. What good would calling 911 be?
 
You equated the Allies and Nazi’s. Now you equate us and the islamic terrorists. I think you misunderstand the Church. We are not pacifists. I doubt Rome wants Osama to win the war. But the idea doesn’t seem to bother you. You would sing a different tune if we lost I think. Did you watch pbs crossroads tonight? They showed the stoning of some women caught in adultery. Utterly brutal and revolting. These killers are the people you are helping. It’s a bit like you saying “cops and criminals are the same since both use violence.” But I bet if you were being robbed you would call a cop.
What was the difference between the Nazis and the Soviets?

There’s no way this war can be won. It’s not a “just war”, thus it can not be won.

If a cop is a criminal then, yes, he is the same as a criminal, as he IS a criminal.

If I was being robbed, that is if my life was being threatened, I would shot the perpetrator, not call the police. What good would calling 911 be?
 
There’s no argument.
Once again, if the US military didn’t want to kill civilians they wouldn’t do it.
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Oh Please.You really shouldn’t talk about things you know nothing about.
The US military goes out of it’s way to avoid civilian casualties.
One of our first Rules of Engagement are to “Treat All People with Dignity and Respect”. US Marines and soldiers have died going out of their way avoiding civilian casualties. Many opportunities to eliminate enemy targets have been missed in order to avoid civilian deaths.
If we really wanted to we could could have eliminated ALL the threats in Iraq by flattening the whole country, we have that power, but we didn’t.
 
if the US military didn’t want to kill civilians they wouldn’t do it.
This statement would be hilarious, if not for the soldiers that have had to sacrifice their lives and limbs because they had to use force that put them in more danger, in order to spare the lives of innocent civilians.

Do you seriously not understand that if we really wanted to kill Iraqi civilians, there would be **millions **dead by now?

Do you seriously not understand how much money we spend on precision-guided weapons in order to avoid civilian casualties? It would be much safer for American soldiers and far cheaper to drop large munitions from stealth bombers. But nope, we send soldiers in to scout the positions, verify the targets, and have a spotter point a laser for a guided missle to hit the target.

If civilian casualties occur, we apologize, have hearings to determine what happened and who is at fault, and often pay reparations.

I don’t know how old you are, but there were obviously some important history lessons you weren’t taught in school. In World War II, we didn’t have precision weapons, and we (and the enemy) killed many civilians and destroyed a lot of infrastructure. We spent a great deal of money to help rebuild Germany and Japan. Has any Muslim country or group helped us rebuild the towers, or paid reparations to the families of those killed in the 9/11 attack? If so, I’d love to see documentation of it.

By your logic, if someone breaks into your home, and you take action to protect your family, you’re on the same moral level as them. Strange logic. Very strange.
 
No, that is the dumbest comment one cound… and sadly has… made! Didn’t you say you were a realist? Then get real!
Let’s see if we can say something equally as dumb…
if motorists didn’t want to kill pedestrians they wouldn’t - even if they had to keep the car garaged all the time
if doctors didn’t want to kill patients they wouldn’t - even if they had to stop treating any patients whatsoever
 
Am I the first to notice?

A Korean man murders 32 people. The response from his family? They go into shock and must be hospitalized. The response from Korea and Koreans? They apologize profusely and ask themselves if they are to blame. The whole nation is in shock and horror. Many weep. There is no hesitation on their part. They don’t shy away or say “well they deserved it” or “that’s to bad, BUT…” No one even blames Koreans for this since it is rather unusual.

Muslims kill thousands on 911. They celebrate in the streets. There are no apologies. None of the families of the terrorists show much shock. Many blame the Americans or the US government. There is no effort to assess whether their culture might be at fault in creating these terrorists. Any suggestion of it is immediately attacked. Muslims constantly demand apologies for cartoons or anything else that annoys them and no apology is ever enough. They claim that the CIA, or Bush, or Israel/Jews did it. Terrorism is not an isolated thing with muslims, it happens daily. I have never heard a muslim apologize for ANYTHING, ever.

The constrast is striking. Koreans don’t really need to apologize, but they do. Muslims have a lot to apologize for, but they won’t and instead blame their victims. If you see any columnists mention this constrast you know they stole it from me lol.
Last year I received a ticket for parking at an expired meter (it was broken). I’m pretty sure this event highlights some major flaws in Islam but I haven’t been able to make the connection. I figured you guys could help.
 
By Adrian Hong
Friday, April 20, 2007; Page A31

"Monday’s events at Virginia Tech were tragic. As our nation mourns, countries around the world continue to send condolences and words of encouragement to the American people.

Included in the aftermath of these shootings has been the response of Koreans in the United States. Many first-generation immigrants, part of a diverse and vibrant community, have taken it upon themselves to apologize for the actions of gunman Cho Seung Hui, citing a sense of collective guilt and shame simply by virtue of a shared ethnicity."

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902942.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
 
What was the difference between the Nazis and the Soviets?

There’s no way this war can be won. It’s not a “just war”, thus it can not be won.

If a cop is a criminal then, yes, he is the same as a criminal, as he IS a criminal.

If I was being robbed, that is if my life was being threatened, I would shot the perpetrator, not call the police. What good would calling 911 be?
So now we are as bad as the Soviets too? But you equated US with the Nazi’s. Don’t change the subject. If this war cannot be won then who wins? Osama. You will end up a muslim. It is a just war. I will grant you think Osama is a hero and that Saddam was misunderstood. But most folks see them as serial killers. What’s next for you? Canonize Ted Bundy?

Cops are not generally criminals. So you equate cops with thugs. Then you say you personally would shoot a robber. Maybe he needs your money more then you? It is just that he take it, even by force. You have no right to stop him. Calling 911, well that’s what most normal people would do because it is the job of the police to enforce the law. I can see our educational system has utterly failed in your case.
 
Valke, I think a priori has done so. One Korean said he felt as a Korean a sense of shame and the need to apologize. I have NEVER heard a muslim say anything like that. Wouldn’t it be refreshing if one did?
 
Valke, I think a priori has done so. One Korean said he felt as a Korean a sense of shame and the need to apologize. I have NEVER heard a muslim say anything like that. Wouldn’t it be refreshing if one did?
Are you going to start campaigning for reparations for slavery, the treatment of Native Americans, or any of the myriad crimes against humanity committed by any ethnic, religious, or social groups you happen to belong to any time soon?

Without sin, first stone, blah blah blah.

By the way, the Muslims have a head start on you. Get to getting.
 
Why should all of Islam apologise for 9/11? I really do not understand this line of thinking.

Did all of Catholicism apologise for the Manchester bombing in 1996? Did all of Judaism apologise for the King David Hotel bombing?

Why apply this standard only to the followers of Islam?

Remember also that Islam does not have the hierarchy that Catholicism does. There is no papacy or even the formal structure of many Protestant churches and the vast majority of Muslims prefer it this way.
 
Valke, I think a priori has done so. One Korean said he felt as a Korean a sense of shame and the need to apologize. I have NEVER heard a muslim say anything like that. Wouldn’t it be refreshing if one did?
I didn’t feel the need to apologize for white guys when Jeffery Dahmer (sp?) or Terry Nichols was caught. I don’t know why Koreans would feel the need to apologize, especially where there’s no evidence that this was a racially motiviated killing.
 
Has any Muslim country or group helped us rebuild the towers, or paid reparations to the families of those killed in the 9/11 attack? If so, I’d love to see documentation of it.
Well there was a Saudi prince who offered $10,000,000 in aid the next day, though it was rejected. And there’s all THIS.
 
So now we are as bad as the Soviets too? But you equated US with the Nazi’s. Don’t change the subject. If this war cannot be won then who wins? Osama. You will end up a muslim. It is a just war. I will grant you think Osama is a hero and that Saddam was misunderstood. But most folks see them as serial killers. What’s next for you? Canonize Ted Bundy?

Cops are not generally criminals. So you equate cops with thugs. Then you say you personally would shoot a robber. Maybe he needs your money more then you? It is just that he take it, even by force. You have no right to stop him. Calling 911, well that’s what most normal people would do because it is the job of the police to enforce the law. I can see our educational system has utterly failed in your case.
Yes, both the US government and the Nazi government are/were run by Satanists.

No, I won’t end up a Muslim. I’ll die for the Faith, in the Faith.

Police enforce traffic laws, investigate crimes, and [sometimes] stop riots and the such, but they don’t “enforce”. Defending myself with deadly force is quite acceptable, just is a “just”, defensive war. For example, the Spanish conquest of America was “just” in that they stopped a murderous, Satanic empire from continually sacraficing human beings to their “gods”.

As for “our educational system”, I hold an American passport, but was educated in Bavaria, Franconia, and Limburg.
 
This thread has moved way off topic, and is now closed.

Thanks for your participation.

God bless-

Rachel
 
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