L. Ron Hubbard's "Xenu" story.

[Gaber]

In lieu of the recent Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes divorce, I perked a particular interest in finding out what this Scientology stuff is all about. I have heard things, and read articles on it here and there. But never really spent as much time researching Scientology as I have lately.

Here is the founder, L. Ron Hubbard telling the story of Xenu. An apparent important part of Scientology’s “theology” if you will…

youtube.com/watch?v=DwfxuQtgGE0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Now, I have general respect for individuals personal beliefs with religion as long as what they believe doesn’t affect my belief or life in anyway. And I hope I don’t contradict myself saying this…but how on earth could anybody buy into this?

Personally, I love sci-fi…I’m a huge fan (go see the new film Prometheus). But this just seems ridiculous.

I live in the Cincinnati area and have noticed a great big Scientology billboard on the side of one of the major highways that run through the city. So apparently this thing is growing.

Does anybody know anyone who’s a scientologist? Or that can make sense of the religion?

There’s got to be more to it than some science fiction story.

Don’t know abut the Xenu story. Do know that LRH wrote a lot of SF and was friends with RA Hienlein, twice, as they had a falling out somewhere along the line. I always way preferred RAH to LRH.

I’m not a Scintologist. But I have taken some of the classes they have offered, both directly from them and by way of a loosely affiliated group who had some Scientologist instructors in it. They all made sense, as they were pertinent to how thinking happens relative to situations. And I have to say that their auditing procedure for making unconscious programming conscious, is rather amazing.

As to it being a religion? There is no overt acknowledgement of Jesus in the religious sense, if any. That won’t wash with most Christians, but might with some who understand that God is not personal. But those are exceedingly rare. I didn’t go very far with it past the lessons I took that were helpful, but it also gave me the impression that one had to have a lot of money to get through the rather specific lessons programs. To some, those might be worth it. Like anything else, you choose and do or don’t. But if they get your contact information, they will be somewhat persistent in inviting you to do their thing.

 

[Mgray82]

Don’t know abut the Xenu story. Do know that LRH wrote a lot of SF and was friends with RA Hienlein, twice, as they had a falling out somewhere along the line. I always way preferred RAH to LRH.

I’m not a Scintologist. But I have taken some of the classes they have offered, both directly from them and by way of a loosely affiliated group who had some Scientologist instructors in it. They all made sense, as they were pertinent to how thinking happens relative to situations. And I have to say that their auditing procedure for making unconscious programming conscious, is rather amazing.

As to it being a religion? There is no overt acknowledgement of Jesus in the religious sense, if any. That won’t wash with most Christians, but might with some who understand that God is not personal. But those are exceedingly rare. I didn’t go very far with it past the lessons I took that were helpful, but it also gave me the impression that one had to have a lot of money to get through the rather specific lessons programs. To some, those might be worth it. Like anything else, you choose and do or don’t. But if they get your contact information, they will be somewhat persistent in inviting you to do their thing.

Apparently, L. Ron Hubbard got in trouble with the IRS and was pretty much living on a boat before he died. I don’t think Jesus had that problem.

I’m sure there are some perks in their auditing that could perhaps be a positive influence on a persons particular moods or feelings (I would liken it to, maybe reading a self help book). Though I have never been through their courses or talked to anybody in the church. And which, will never happen.

But that wasn’t my initial question. If you see the original post, I provided a link with L. Ron Hubbard giving his testimony to the “Xenu” or “Xemu” story. My question was; how can anyone believe this non sense? What would drive a person to except it?

On a side note, after digging in and reading stories on the cult’s leader David Miscavige…I can see where this religion is a big crooked scam. And idiots like Tom Cruise need to be confronted with the ridiculousness of this “religion”.

 

[CalCatholic]

Scientologists believe there was intergalactic alien called Xenu 75 million years ago. Xenu was in charge of 76 planets an 26 stars including Earth which was then known as ‘Teegeeack.’ All the planets were ‘over populated,’ with about 178 billion people per planet. So Xenu with the help of psychiatrists called billions of people for* ‘income tax inspections*’ but people instead were given injections of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls. The people were unconscious and taken on ‘space plans,’ which could travel in 9 weeks 300 light years.

They flew to Earth and the unconscious people were put in to the bases of volcanoes. H bombs were put into the volcanoes, and were detonated. The ‘thetans,’ think refers to souls, of the people that were killed, blew around and captured by an 'electronic ribbon’ and put in ‘vacuums zones’ across Earth where the hundreds of billions of thetans were taken to cinemas to watch for 36 days * ‘three-D, super colossal motion picture*,’ where thetans were given data on world religions.

Some thetans went into the bodies of people that survived the volcano explosion, which are known as ‘body thetans’ which scientologists believe can be removed by doing certain tasks.

Why do people believe is, what evidence is there?

Sounds like a great science fiction novel!

 

[twf]

Sounds like a great science fiction novel!

Sounds like a mediocre, cheesy, 1950’s era pulp sci-fi novel…at best

 

[Nabooru]

Don’t put Scientology on the same shelf with Star Wars. It’s insulting to the latter.

 

[Gaber]

Apparently, L. Ron Hubbard got in trouble with the IRS and was pretty much living on a boat before he died. I don’t think Jesus had that problem.

I’m sure there are some perks in their auditing that could perhaps be a positive influence on a persons particular moods or feelings (I would liken it to, maybe reading a self help book). Though I have never been through their courses or talked to anybody in the church. And which, will never happen.

But that wasn’t my initial question. If you see the original post, I provided a link with L. Ron Hubbard giving his testimony to the “Xenu” or “Xemu” story. My question was; how can anyone believe this non sense? What would drive a person to except it?

On a side note, after digging in and reading stories on the cult’s leader David Miscavige…I can see where this religion is a big crooked scam. And idiots like Tom Cruise need to be confronted with the ridiculousness of this “religion”.

OK, I read a synopsis of the story. Shades of Nibiru and Credo Mutwa’s Chitauri! So, it’s another one of the “alien seed origins” of the human race stories. I still have to maintain that whatever the basis of the whole thing is, that the courses that I personally took were materially useful.

But that of course doesn’t mean that I know much at all about other “levels” of the organization, save that they really like acronyms and money, and will be persistent as some other religions in contacting you. And similarly to some other religions whose origins are ether dubious or misunderstood, there is some good happening at the street level, one might say. But that is not a recommendation for persuing any of them too deeply. Good seems to show itself without respect for explanations of it. So I would say that Good comes before religions, though religions claim to be about Good.

 

[Deo_Volente]

Grace & Peace!

I also think it’s interesting that Hubbard was rooming with Jack Parsons for a while. Parsons was the genius behind the development of rocket fuel, ushering in the space age, but was also a committed Thelemite, a follower of Aleister Crowley. Parsons and Hubbard shared a mistress for some time, and apparently Hubbard collaborated with Parsons on the “Babalon [sic] Working” meant to invoke a manifestation of the Thelemite “Babalon”, the Scarlet Woman, into Parsons’ life. Hubbard and Parsons later tried to go into business together, but even Crowley was skeptical, thinking Hubbard was duping Parsons…and he was.

I don’t know if anyone’s done a comparison of Scientology with certain patterns evident in the gnostic religions, but there seems to be some overlap, not least of which in the figure of a semi-divine being who brainwashes and oppresses souls. I would not be surprised if some industrious person were to discover even more parallels with the gnostics, or beyond that, with general trends and tropes of Western occultism and/or Thelema.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy!

 

[Mgray82]

Taken from exscientologykids.com/ot3.html

How can anyone fall for that? Are these people all idiots?

No, they’re not idiots. They’re not idiots at all. A lot of OTs are really intelligent individuals. Please realize that by the time anyone is allowed to look at the OT3 materials, they’ve spent several years of their life in Scientology, and have spent tens of thousands of dollars on the CoS. Their friends and sometimes family are mostly, if not all, Scientologists. Everyone around them - people they love and trust - are often talking about how amazing the materials are, how life-changing they are, how brilliant it all is (without actually saying what’s in the materials, of course). That kind of environment can make anyone believe anything.
Not to mention the fact that if they reject the materials as false, they’ll be thrown out and separated from friends, family and loved ones.
The point has also been made that the OT3 materials aren’t any “weirder” than any other religion. We’ll leave the decision on that one up to you.

 

[sambos671]

In lieu of the recent Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes divorce, I perked a particular interest in finding out what this Scientology stuff is all about. I have heard things, and read articles on it here and there. But never really spent as much time researching Scientology as I have lately.

Here is the founder, L. Ron Hubbard telling the story of Xenu. An apparent important part of Scientology’s “theology” if you will…

youtube.com/watch?v=DwfxuQtgGE0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Now, I have general respect for individuals personal beliefs with religion as long as what they believe doesn’t affect my belief or life in anyway. And I hope I don’t contradict myself saying this…but how on earth could anybody buy into this?

Personally, I love sci-fi…I’m a huge fan (go see the new film Prometheus). But this just seems ridiculous.

I live in the Cincinnati area and have noticed a great big Scientology billboard on the side of one of the major highways that run through the city. So apparently this thing is growing.

Does anybody know anyone who’s a scientologist? Or that can make sense of the religion?

There’s got to be more to it than some science fiction story.

The fact that many people actually got depressed because they couldn’t go to Pandora in the movie Avatar makes it easy for me to believe people buy into scientology. Or how about the people who are certain the world will end on December 21,2012 because the Myan long count calander ends on that date. Or the number of people who listen and believe everything on George Noory’s Coast to Coast radio show. I’m not in the least bit suprised.

 

[Mgray82]

If you listen to the link I provide in the original post. In his speech about Xenu…he talks quite a bit about “boxes”.

 

[colliric]

Apparently, L. Ron Hubbard got in trouble with the IRS and was pretty much living on a boat before he died. I don’t think Jesus had that problem.
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Actually he was in trouble for more serious stuff than that… His “Guardian Office” orchestrated the biggest known espionage operation ever organised against the US government. It was called Operation Snow White and involved over 5000 Scientologist agents working in 30 diffrent countries.

He was the only party involved who had not been brought to justice, and he went into hiding (for the rest of his life) as soon as the FBI investigation had begun. Rumor was he died a lot earlier than the official Scientology statement indicated.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

Yes that’s right, the biggest Spy operation ever committed against the US government wasn’t the Ruskis during the Cold War… It was dang Scientologists!

 

[Gaber]

Actually he was in trouble for more serious stuff than that… His “Guardian Office” orchestrated the biggest known espionage operation ever organised against the US government. It was called Operation Snow White and involved over 5000 Scientologist agents working in 30 diffrent countries.

He was the only party involved who had not been brought to justice, and he went into hiding (for the rest of his life) as soon as the FBI investigation had begun. Rumor was he died a lot earlier than the official Scientology statement indicated.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

Yes that’s right, the biggest Spy operation ever committed against the US government wasn’t the Ruskis during the Cold War… It was dang Scientologists!

Wouldn’t you love to know what they might have about black ops?

 

[Nine_Two]

The point has also been made that the OT3 materials aren’t any “weirder” than any other religion. We’ll leave the decision on that one up to you.

I disagree on this.

Of every thing any religion the world over, Christian, or non-Christian teaches, the idea that an evil alien space lord nuked a bunch of volcanoes with space ships that look exactly like DC-10’s (or was it 8’s?), and that almost all the evil empire’s technology looks like that of Earth in the 1950s (coincidentally the time when the religion emerged), is by far the weirdest teaching out there.

I challenge anyone to come up with a teaching from any religion weirder than that.

P.S. I used to enjoy reading gnostic texts, they’ve got some weird stuff, but even they look plain and normal next to Scientology.

 

[Mgray82]

I disagree on this.

Of every thing any religion the world over, Christian, or non-Christian teaches, the idea that an evil alien space lord nuked a bunch of volcanoes with space ships that look exactly like DC-10’s (or was it 8’s?), and that almost all the evil empire’s technology looks like that of Earth in the 1950s (coincidentally the time when the religion emerged), is by far the weirdest teaching out there.

I challenge anyone to come up with a teaching from any religion weirder than that.

P.S. I used to enjoy reading gnostic texts, they’ve got some weird stuff, but even they look plain and normal next to Scientology.

Agreed. That was quoted from an ex-scientologist website explaining the “Xenu” story.