La ilaha illAllah - No God except Allah?

[meedo]

1 - God that Moses spoke to, loved the Jews. But the being that muhammad met in the dark Hira cave can’t wait to kill the jews and christians…

wrong. God Loves the believers whomever they are . When the jews disobeyed they were punished . And many times. The temple was destroyed twice, imposition of wondering in the desert etc etc … From the followers of Moses there were believers and disbelievers. God doesnt love a race!!! If God loved all the jews no matter what then how did the babyleon enslavement and the temple destruction happened!!!

1. The Jewish God strictly forbids His people from taking blood, and blood taking is an abomination! But Allah praises even blood-sucking insects, like mosquitoes!

Bible - Ge 9:4 - But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Quran - Sur 2:26 - Allah does not shy away from citing any kind of allegory,* from the tiny mosquito and greater. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord.

Excuse me but there are mroe than one verse in the Quran that forbids blood drinking or sucking. This example is very silly. God said that he doesnt shy away from took an example of a Mosquito because some idiots thought that a Mosquito example is too little for God to take as an example!!! The funny thing is that they cant comprehend that it is easy for God to build the universe as easy to create a mosquito!!! I guess you didnt even understand what this verse is about before unloading this rediculous explanation of yours!!!

1. The Jewish God appeared personally to Moses in a burning bush during the day and descended as a dove on Christ in full view of the public. But Allah’s ‘gabriel’ appeared in the dark in the Hira cave alone (without witnesses) with Muhammad who later freaked out in pain (according to hadiths and an admission by Muhammad’s own foster mother).

Bible - Ex 3:2 - And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

The jewish God appeared to Moses as a Bush . NOT PERSONAL!!! In fact it was moses requesting that he wants to see hinm which he was denied.

As for teh Dove. Well. It was a Dove!!! unless it spoke and said it was God!!!

Muhammed met God and he stated he saw Light. He met him when he assended to heaven.

Very clearly then, the being that met muhammad in the dark Hira cave was NOT the same as the one that Moses saw at the burning bush. Plus of course, the quran recorded not a single miracle by muhammad nor prophesy unique to islam. In other words, allah unlike the God that met Moses was unable to perform any great works. If muhammad was the greatest prophet greater than even Moses or Enoch why was he inferior in miraculous power to them? Why was Moses buried by God, Enoch brought up to the heavens by God, Jesus resurrected, but Muhammad still rotting in Mecca? …

There is nothing clear about any of your statement except two things. First you dont know anything about Islam , and it seems also Judaism . Second, you are insulting and ill mannered towards people who are revered by people other of your faith!This is not bieng Blunt , this is bieng insultive!! Its insultive to call somebody ‘‘rotting’’.

''Sorry for the bluntness, but these are facts. ‘’

facts for you only fiction for every body else who is sensible!

‘’‘So, even if allah literally means god, nobody should say “there is no god but allah” cos that is the same as saying “there is no fish but fish”, cos that is oxymoronic. Now if allah is a NAME, then we ought to ask, why did God refuse to tell Moses His name when Moses asked? But God instead replied with “I am”. None of the prophets in the bible knew God by name cos God never gave His namecard.’’’

names doesnt make any difference. You can worship with the wrong name and the correct diety. Guess what !!! in arabic jesus name is not spelled as jesus in English but the important thing is what they mean when they utter the word!

Muslims worship the God of Moses and Abraham and Muhammed. In our Case he revealed his name to be Allah.

Now, if a criminal comes up to you and say “hey, here’s God’s namecard, take it and worship”. What would you say? Let’s not be deceived.

The only criminal whom i know is the one who taught you any thing about Islam . You show nothing but brainwashed hatred!! But it seems to be the fruits of what you have been taught

bye

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Salaam dulcissima

dulcissima:

This is the way that God is distinguished from being one of many gods. He is The God. Essentially “illah” is god and “Allah” is God.

I guess I should have translated “La ilaaha illa Allaah” as being “There is no god except Allah.”

This is the correct understanding and means that all acts of worship are solely due to Allah.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[murtad]

wrong. God Loves the believers whomever they are .

NO, its not wrong to say God loves Jews especially since they have begun to accept the Messiah! OTOH, the deity of Islam loves Arabs only and that is why a good Muslim will have to betray his Coptic or Syriac culture in favor of an Arab culture. Remind yourself, Muslim, that the 22 so-called “Arab” States were not Arab but Arabised via Jizyah and Kharaj and Muslims brainwashed in mosques to think they are Arabs.

When the jews disobeyed they were punished . And many times. The temple was destroyed twice, imposition of wondering in the desert etc etc … From the followers of Moses there were believers and disbelievers. God doesnt love a race!!! If God loved all the jews no matter what then how did the babyleon enslavement and the temple destruction happened!!!

God chose the Jews and this is true as it is in the Scripture. He chose them to bring out His Messiah. God created many cultures or religions, such as Jews, Copts, Assyrians, Ethiopians and Armenians as well as Greeks and Latins and the Russian and Chinese. The Messiah of Israel will unite all cultures (Jews and Gentiles alike) who will praise him in their own language. Islam, OTOH destroyed the culture of the Copts and Assyrians by brutal Arabisation and thus, is a false religion. In fact, Islam should be called a Nazi-style cult as Muhammad and Adolf Hitler are no different. The former wanted an Arabic-speaking world, the latter an German-speaking world.

Muhammed met God and he stated he saw Light. He met him when he assended to heaven.

Muhammad did not meet God but Satan and certainly the “Light” you claim he saw was not really Light but darkness that engulfed the Islamic world for 1,400 years. Certainly Muhammad did not ascend to heaven but he was in severe delusions and suffering from schizophrenia.

There is nothing clear about any of your statement except two things. First you dont know anything about Islam , and it seems also Judaism . Second, you are insulting and ill mannered towards people who are revered by people other of your faith!This is not bieng Blunt , this is bieng insultive!! Its insultive to call somebody ‘‘rotting’’.

No, we all know a lot about Islam. We learnt true Islam from Ali Sina’s FaithFreedom and Jochen Katz’s Answering-Islam. Also, you, Meedo being Muslim are totally ignorant in Judaism otherwise you will never be a Muslim. Another name for the Catholic faith is Messianic Judaism.

‘’‘So, even if allah literally means god, nobody should say “there is no god but allah” cos that is the same as saying “there is no fish but fish”, cos that is oxymoronic. Now if allah is a NAME, then we ought to ask, why did God refuse to tell Moses His name when Moses asked? But God instead replied with “I am”. None of the prophets in the bible knew God by name cos God never gave His namecard.’’’

The very phrase “There is no god but Allah” is ridiculous as it goes against English rules. Correct usage is “There is no deity but Allah” or “There is no deity but God”. God is proper noun for the English deity, while Allah is proper noun for the Arab deity. You, Arab wanabees/nationalists should keep your deity to yourself and in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Britain please respect the majority culture - yes, I mean assimilate into the English culture!

names doesnt make any difference. You can worship with the wrong name and the correct diety. Guess what !!! in arabic jesus name is not spelled as jesus in English but the important thing is what they mean when they utter the word!

That’s true only in the Christian context as we are culturally diverse – we have Jewish culture, Coptic culture, and Assyrian culture in the Church. However, in Islamic context names do matter and you can ONLY be saved by worshipping Allah, the deity of the Arabs, and what is worse become Arabs.

Muslims worship the God of Moses and Abraham and Muhammed. In our Case he revealed his name to be Allah.

Muslims do not worship the God of Moses/Abraham, who you do not know at all. You worship God in vain not knowing who He is.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

murtad:

Remind yourself, Muslim, that the 22 so-called “Arab” States were not Arab but Arabised via Jizyah and Kharaj and Muslims brainwashed in mosques to think they are Arabs.

Islam, OTOH destroyed the culture of the Copts and Assyrians by brutal Arabisation and thus, is a false religion. In fact, Islam should be called a Nazi-style cult as Muhammad and Adolf Hitler are no different. The former wanted an Arabic-speaking world, the latter an German-speaking world.

Muhammad did not meet God but Satan and certainly the “Light” you claim he saw was not really Light but darkness that engulfed the Islamic world for 1,400 years. Certainly Muhammad did not ascend to heaven but he was in severe delusions and suffering from schizophrenia.

No, we all know a lot about Islam. We learnt true Islam from Ali Sina’s FaithFreedom and Jochen Katz’s Answering-Islam. Also, you, Meedo being Muslim are totally ignorant in Judaism otherwise you will never be a Muslim. Another name for the Catholic faith is Messianic Judaism.

The very phrase “There is no god but Allah” is ridiculous as it goes against English rules. Correct usage is “There is no deity but Allah” or “There is no deity but God”. God is proper noun for the English deity, while Allah is proper noun for the Arab deity. You, Arab wanabees/nationalists should keep your deity to yourself and in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Britain please respect the majority culture - yes, I mean assimilate into the English culture!

That’s true only in the Christian context as we are culturally diverse – we have Jewish culture, Coptic culture, and Assyrian culture in the Church. However, in Islamic context names do matter and you can ONLY be saved by worshipping Allah, the deity of the Arabs, and what is worse become Arabs.

Muslims do not worship the God of Moses/Abraham, who you do not know at all. You worship God in vain not knowing who He is.

Wow! Murtad. I hope you feel better now. I thank CA forums for allowing you to vent from time to time. Take care.

Joseph.

 

[Sufi]

The word for God in arabic is ilaha, if you are heaing allah-ha, chances are they are saying the word ilaha. But Muslims actually use the word Allah, and the phrase La ilaha illAllah, which translates there is no God but Allah. It’s interesting, I always thought Allah was just the Muslim word for God but it isn’t. I also didn’t know Allah was one of the many pagan Gods’ during Muhammed’s time.

Saint? Saints have knowledge. Do you know that we will be ranked by our knowledge on the day of Judgement?

Allah = God
illa = god

Do you see the difference? Or should I explain a little more?

 

[Sufi]

If Allah is the Arabic word for God, how does this phrase “La ilaha illAllah” make sense? ilaha means God in arabic, why don’t Muslims say La ilaha ill ilaha? That would translate there is no God but God. But the phrase La ilaha illAllah specifically names the Muslims God as ‘Allah’. We know from Jewish scripture God’s name is YHWH or Yahweh, not Allah. Allah was one of hundreds of God’s worshipped pre-Islam before Muhammed brought Islam to the Arabian peninsula.

I just found this very interesting as I always heard “there is no God but God”, and just assumed it would translate “there is no Allah but Allah”. I never realized Allah was the name of the Muslims God and not the word for God.

YHWH is Jewish right? What does the wrod YHWH mean in English?

 

[eleonardo]

NO, its not wrong to say God loves Jews especially since they have begun to accept the Messiah! OTOH, the deity of Islam loves Arabs only and that is why a good Muslim will have to betray his Coptic or Syriac culture in favor of an Arab culture. Remind yourself, Muslim, that the 22 so-called “Arab” States were not Arab but Arabised via Jizyah and Kharaj and Muslims brainwashed in mosques to think they are Arabs.

God chose the Jews and this is true as it is in the Scripture. He chose them to bring out His Messiah. God created many cultures or religions, such as Jews, Copts, Assyrians, Ethiopians and Armenians as well as Greeks and Latins and the Russian and Chinese. The Messiah of Israel will unite all cultures (Jews and Gentiles alike) who will praise him in their own language. Islam, OTOH destroyed the culture of the Copts and Assyrians by brutal Arabisation and thus, is a false religion. In fact, Islam should be called a Nazi-style cult as Muhammad and Adolf Hitler are no different. The former wanted an Arabic-speaking world, the latter an German-speaking world.

Muhammad did not meet God but Satan and certainly the “Light” you claim he saw was not really Light but darkness that engulfed the Islamic world for 1,400 years. Certainly Muhammad did not ascend to heaven but he was in severe delusions and suffering from schizophrenia.

No, we all know a lot about Islam. We learnt true Islam from Ali Sina’s FaithFreedom and Jochen Katz’s Answering-Islam. Also, you, Meedo being Muslim are totally ignorant in Judaism otherwise you will never be a Muslim. Another name for the Catholic faith is Messianic Judaism.

The very phrase “There is no god but Allah” is ridiculous as it goes against English rules. Correct usage is “There is no deity but Allah” or “There is no deity but God”. God is proper noun for the English deity, while Allah is proper noun for the Arab deity. You, Arab wanabees/nationalists should keep your deity to yourself and in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Britain please respect the majority culture - yes, I mean assimilate into the English culture!

That’s true only in the Christian context as we are culturally diverse – we have Jewish culture, Coptic culture, and Assyrian culture in the Church. However, in Islamic context names do matter and you can ONLY be saved by worshipping Allah, the deity of the Arabs, and what is worse become Arabs.

Muslims do not worship the God of Moses/Abraham, who you do not know at all. You worship God in vain not knowing who He is.

At least we know where you stand on the issue

 

[pumpqeen]

Meedo has again shown us how incoherent and illogical are muslims.

I quoted him/her on the terrorism taught by allah against jews and Christians in Qur’an – Sur 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.” Hadith : The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!

And all meedo can do is say “NO! allah loves the believers whomever they are!” Duh~. Has anyone seen bozo lately? I mean who is this guy anyway? Allah says to kill, terrorise and this fella pops out his head and says allah loves you. J. We hope allah loves meedo too J

The example on blood sucking insects is sufficient to show that allah thinks nothing of taking blood. Are we new to muslims drawing innocent blood? No. Now, let’s not confuse ourselves with verses that serves only to excuse islam. We are talking about orientations toward blood drawing, not off-tangent on-off quirky statements. Perhaps Meedo should think about what I say too, cos even if GW Bush should curse and swear and destroy the ka’abah, I am sure that if GW Bush were to turn around tell Meedo, “boy, I love you!”, and Meedo will similarly support GW Bush. Why? Cos, Meedo thinks GW Bush truly loves him with that act of love.
As for Moses meeting God, are we hearing it right? God Himself told Miriam and Aaron that with Moses, He speaks face to face. And here we have a nutcase telling us that it was NOT PERSONAL. Hey, is this guy a wacko or what?
Oh, the dove. I guess, the dove needs to speak to prove that it was God’s spirit to Meedo, but all Muhammad had to do was lie and sleep with little girls to prove to Meedo that he is good enough to be his prophet. Sheeesh~
I rest my case on the “names” issue. No point killing a dead ant.

 

[meedo]

Meedo has again shown us how incoherent and illogical are muslims.

I quoted him/her on the terrorism taught by allah against jews and Christians in Qur’an – Sur 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.” Hadith : The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!

And all meedo can do is say “NO! allah loves the believers whomever they are!” Duh~. Has anyone seen bozo lately? I mean who is this guy anyway? Allah says to kill, terrorise and this fella pops out his head and says allah loves you. J. We hope allah loves meedo too J

The example on blood sucking insects is sufficient to show that allah thinks nothing of taking blood. Are we new to muslims drawing innocent blood? No. Now, let’s not confuse ourselves with verses that serves only to excuse islam. We are talking about orientations toward blood drawing, not off-tangent on-off quirky statements. Perhaps Meedo should think about what I say too, cos even if GW Bush should curse and swear and destroy the ka’abah, I am sure that if GW Bush were to turn around tell Meedo, “boy, I love you!”, and Meedo will similarly support GW Bush. Why? Cos, Meedo thinks GW Bush truly loves him with that act of love.
As for Moses meeting God, are we hearing it right? God Himself told Miriam and Aaron that with Moses, He speaks face to face. And here we have a nutcase telling us that it was NOT PERSONAL. Hey, is this guy a wacko or what?
Oh, the dove. I guess, the dove needs to speak to prove that it was God’s spirit to Meedo, but all Muhammad had to do was lie and sleep with little girls to prove to Meedo that he is good enough to be his prophet. Sheeesh~
I rest my case on the “names” issue. No point killing a dead ant.

Your post is just a prime example of blind hate and ignorance and bad mouthing. It shows the weekness of your argument . If you are following your faith by writing such posts then definetly what your faith teaches you is anything but charity!!

 

[pumpqeen]

Charity is NOT = Accepting trash and lies.

And BTW, its weAkness.

 

[IslamicBelief]

Some of the Catholics in my school who come from the middle east call God “Allah-ha”.

check out this link…
(jesus speaks of mohammad & allah!)
youtube.com/watch?v=mcZ284Bh1vU

 

[Rayaan]

Jesus also reffered to God as Allah…

He would also not have recognised the name Jesus Christ…

You should all use the same name he used for himself and God…

Jesus also bowed to pray, you should all pray in the same way and you should stop all innovations like Christian Rock…

 

[Angelos]

Jesus also reffered to God as Allah…

SO you believe that He was an Arab, not an Israelite? The Koran is in manifest error then to claim Jesus to be of Jewish descent.

He would also not have recognised the name Jesus Christ…

True, because the Queen of England had not put her faith in Christ at that time.

You should all use the same name he used for himself and God…

Names like Issa? The name that even Christian Arabs do not use? The Koran erroneously calls Jesus “ISSA”, the correct form of which is “YESUWA” in Arabic.

Jesus also bowed to pray, you should all pray in the same way and you should stop all innovations like Christian Rock…

Apart from praying, what else should we do in the same way as Jesus did? Go to the temple courts and observe the feast of Jewish Passover? Ride a donkey or walk instead of driving?

 

[wisdomseeker]

One thing i dont quite understand is, if islam recognize Jesus is being the Son of a virgen and more. why do they reject the teachings of Jesus Himself though to believe in some guy that came not to long ago and has not done much for anyone?

 

[Angelos]

The Islamic creed actually reads:
“La ILAHE, illaAllah”, which literally means "No goddess (female deity), but THE GOD.

 

[Rayaan]

No it dosent, that ignorant even for you people.

The Islamic Testament is I HEAR BY TESTIFY THERE IS NO GOD, BUT GOD, AND MUHAMMED IS HIS FINAL MESSENGER

When did I claim Jesus to be an Arab, I stated that the way Jesus behaved and acted was different to the way the chrstians do, the words he used are different from the words the christians use.

And I beleive that you should reject innovations like christian rock, translation of the bible, translations of chirtianity and either understand and use the words of Jesus himself or not bother saying anythung at all.

 

[Angelos]

No it dosent, that ignorant even for you people.

The Islamic Testament is I HEAR BY TESTIFY THERE IS NO GOD, BUT GOD, AND MUHAMMED IS HIS FINAL MESSENGER

I deliberately used the shortened version of the Islamic creed since I focused on the word ILAHE. ILAHE means female deity/goddess in Arabic. Can you deny this?

When did I claim Jesus to be an Arab, I stated that the way Jesus behaved and acted was different to the way the chrstians do, the words he used are different from the words the christians use.

Please clarify me: in what ways Jesus’ behavior was different from the Christian way? What are you comparing and contrasting Jesus’ actions to?

And I beleive that you should reject innovations like christian rock, translation of the bible, translations of chirtianity and either understand and use the words of Jesus himself or not bother saying anythung at all.

Do not worry, I reject all the innovations about Christ’s teachings and acts in the Koran, which was written by ignorant people six centuries after the Biblical Jesus.

 

[Rayaan]

Well dont use shortened versions of anything,…

If Muslims want to tell you that you can only believe in One True God and condemn belief in female deities, then we shall do so…

We dont need you to speak for us,.

Please clarify me: in what ways Jesus’ behavior was different from the Christian way? What are you comparing and contrasting Jesus’ actions to?

Jesus lived and behaved like a Muslim, Jesus was a Muslim, the way he prayed, the way he spoke…

The problem with Christianity is that it was taken away from its roots and orgins in the Middle East, used as a Political tool by the early church and the The Roman Empire to spread a European version of Christianity across the Roman world and then beyond…

It began with incorporating pagan holidays (dates) and connecting them to pseudo christian holidays like Christmas Day, also incorporating pagan items like Christmas trees, red robins.

Making Latin the official tool of the church and language of christianity and then the Reformation which was utilised as a way not only to limit the power of a corrupt church but also to change and adapt aspects of Christianity to fit in with European society.

Meaning Gods will was made no fit in with human society, NOT human society was made to fit in with Gods will.

Muslims believe that the society and the individual MUST bend to fit in with Gods will, NOT the other way around hence any reformation is intolerable, we do not have the power to reform and change Gods will to satisfy human desire and belief…

If Jesus returned today he would find Christians from America to Europe to Asia a travesty against Gods command,

When Jesus returns he will lead islam against the disbelief of greed material wealth that the faithless world has become.

 

[Angelos]

Well dont use shortened versions of anything,…

Why??? Solely because you ask me to do so? Who has appointed you a judge and ruler over me?

I guess you should go and warn the muazzeens who use that shortened version of the Islamic creed while reciting the vocal invitation to prayer five times a day!

If Muslims want to tell you that you can only believe in One True God and condemn belief in female deities, then we shall do so…

We dont need you to speak for us,.

First, thanks for acknowledging the fact that the Islamic creed denies female deities through the word ILAHE. Second, I am no one’s slave or a programmed robot. Only I decide when to speak and what to say.

Jesus lived and behaved like a Muslim, Jesus was a Muslim, the way he prayed, the way he spoke…

Yes, He was a Muslim according to a book written six hundred years after Him. Hence it has no historic or religious authenticity. Christians, on the other hand, do not claim Jesus to be a Christian because their faith is not based on a book like the Koran, which is full of deliberate anachronisms aiming to change world history and ignore the truth.

The problem with Christianity is that it was taken away from its roots and orgins in the Middle East, used as a Political tool by the early church and the The Roman Empire to spread a European version of Christianity across the Roman world and then beyond…

You must believe in this fable or else your blind faith in the Koran will definitely be shaken and the castle of Islamic myth will eventually collapse.

It began with incorporating pagan holidays (dates) and connecting them to pseudo christian holidays like Christmas Day, also incorporating pagan items like Christmas trees, red robins.

These external symbols have nothing to do with Christian theology and do not prove the supposed corruption of Christianity because they cannot be found in the Bible.

However, Mohammad incorporated all the pagan elements and tenets into Islam through verses in the Koran. For instance, the Koran endorses the sanctity of the two hills in Mecca visited and venerated by Meccan pagans. Above all, Kaaba, which Muslims believe to be the house of Allah today, was the pantheon of Meccan pagans. Mohammad adopted that building through its unhistorical and unbiblical ascription to Abraham!

Making Latin the official tool of the church and language of christianity and then the Reformation which was utilised as a way not only to limit the power of a corrupt church but also to change and adapt aspects of Christianity to fit in with European society.

You should study history. Latin never became the official language of the major Church in the East, nor was the Eastern Church affected by the Reformation.

Meaning Gods will was made no fit in with human society, NOT human society was made to fit in with Gods will.

Is this why the Koran could not prohibit the drinking of alcohol at once? Is this why Muslims were allowed to marry the wives of their adopted sons only after Mohammad had fallen in love with Zainab and been allowed to marry her through a verse?

Muslims believe that the society and the individual MUST bend to fit in with Gods will, NOT the other way around hence any reformation is intolerable, we do not have the power to reform and change Gods will to satisfy human desire and belief…

You rather bend to fit in with Mohammad’s teachings, who strove to make God change his mind and his revelation in order to satisfy his messenger’s personal desires and beliefs.

If Jesus returned today he would find Christians from America to Europe to Asia a travesty against Gods command,

When Jesus returns he will lead islam against the disbelief of greed material wealth that the faithless world has become.

Excellent Islamic fable perfectly expressing Muslims’ wishful thinking!

 

[ora_pro_nobis]

Wow. Two people who have absolutely no knowledge of each others’ religions arguing on a thread that was started nearly two years ago. Calm down fellas.