La ilaha illAllah - No God except Allah?

[R_not]

Actually, I’m Catholic. That’s why I post the quote from the Catechism and told you your opinion is nothing compared to the Church’s teachings and that Catholics will listen to the Church instead of you. A good Catholic always heeds the Church!

And I don’t care - I already told you I will not lie, nor go against the 10 commandments. I don’t believe that you are a Catholic either. I have too often run across muslims who lie about what they are and do what you are doing to me. And you can blindly accept something - that is what muslims accuse us of doing all the time. I will not. I know that allah is not a god, but something that mohammed created and the muslims follow blindly.

The rites that they follow and the stone they worship - are all of that same pagan religion.

this is the fruit of islam:
**“Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us (Muslims).” Tabari IX:69 -
July 27th, 2008
Quran 8:39 – “…And fight them (non-Muslims) until persecution (disbelieve in Islam) is no more, and religion is all for Allah…” {No others left-This sura alone, says it all} **

You can go and bother someone else because no matter how often you attack me - I will post the same thing. I will go to sleep and even if you post something after this - I will not believe that allah is anything even close to a god, but closer to what God threw out of heaven!

Maybe you should read up on their heaven - one heck of a lusty orgy! They get 72 virgins they can rape for eternity - and also little boys. Is that a god you would want to acknowledge? In fact, the more I write about it the more unfathonable it becomes that allah is a god.

There are many Christians who are ignorant of islam. They are taught to be accepting of others while islam does not teach anything of the sort. They teach to do what they have to do until their numbers reach a higher number so they can openly wage jihad. mohammed even redefined sin so as to make killing, raping, enslaving, lying, stealing - ok, if it is done to non-muslims. No where in the koran is there any order to obey the 10 commandments. How could there be when mohammed broke almost all of them! Even lusting and taking his step-son’s wife!

 

[Angelos]

**Well “unfortunately” the word ‘God’ used by your Paul, is translated as ALLAH in Arabic Bibles because this is what it means. ALLAH means ‘The God’ (with Capital ‘G’)

And your god of the Bibles, is a JEALOUS GOD:

Exodus 20: 5 - Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:

Exodus 34:14 - Adore not any strange god. The Lord his name is Jealous, he is a jealous God.

3 Deuteronomy 4:24 - Because the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, a jealous God. - ( Douay Rheim Bible )​

**

Allah is only one of the many godS in the Koran as I have already and repetitively proven. The Koran uncannily teaches that Allah is the BEST of several CREATORS!

More, the Koran also uses the word RAB, which simply means Lord/master with no definite article.

Mohammad’s Allah is such a jealous god that he promises to burn in Hell everything worshipped beside Him, forgetting that the Koran presents Jesus as a false god adored by Christians beside Allah. LOL The result is terrible: Allah, who supposedly took Jesus up to Himself, will burn Him in Hell so as to keep his promise.

 

[Angelos]

**See what Paul is talking?

As per New American Bible of Catholics:

1 Corinthians 4:**

14 I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 5

15 Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through THE gospel.

16 Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me.

17 For this reason I am sending you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord; he will remind you of my ways in Christ (Jesus), just as I teach them everywhere in every church.

18 6 Some have become inflated with pride, as if I were not coming to you.

19 But I will come to you soon, if the Lord is willing, and I shall ascertain not the talk of these inflated people but their power.

20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

21 Which do you prefer?** Shall I come to you with a rod**, or with love and a gentle spirit?

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PZ9.HTM#$4AJ

But in Dauay Rheims Latin Bible, same verses are:

14 I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children.
15 For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.

16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ.
17 For this cause have I sent to you Timothy, who is my dearest son and faithful in the Lord; who will put you in mind of my ways, which are in Christ Jesus; as I teach every where in every church.
18 As if I would not come to you, so some are puffed up.
19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will: and will know, not the speech of them that are puffed up, but the power.
20 For the kingdom of God is not in speech, but in power.

21 What will you? shall I come to you with a rod; or in charity, and in the spirit of meekness?

drbo.org/chapter/53004.htm

The words "I have begotten you. are OMITTED in the New American Bible and replaced with words “my beloved children”

Is Paul actaully threatening followers of The Way to follow his gospel and his fathership and his beloved son Timothy ( is the the same Timothy who got circumcised by Paul) otherwise he will come with a rod…!!!

Which Gospel he is talking about? His own gospel or so-called Gospels attributed to certain unknown saints named as Matthew, Mark Luke and John…no wait but these were not written in the period of Paul and they were “canonised” in the 4th century. May be gospel of Judas- the traitor, Thomas or…where is that Gospel?

Is this the same rod/goad he used to persecute the followers of Jesus when he was Saul not Paul and working for Roman authorities?

What were the Hebrew words whose meanings are “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick against the goad (pricks)”?​

Your argument is baseless and senseless since Paul nowhere endorses the idea that the other apostles/disciples followed a different Gospel than the one he preached. Likewise, Paul never refers to a WRITTEN Gospel in any of his epistles. He never endorses some certain WRITTEN or ORAL Gospels, rejecting the others. He simply proclaims Jesus’ Gospel as the Lord commanded His followers to do!! You must be the follower of the anti-Christ to be criticising Paul for obeying Jesus’ commands.

Anathema on Jesus’ enemies and on the followers of the anti-Christ. Amen!

 

[Khalfan]

we don’t care about the exact words in the same way you don’t…we care about the conveyed message.

If you leave the exact words said in the details of the event happened in the boat, what message do you get, that disciples used to worship Jesus (a) or they rebuked him?

What message you get from the words ‘I am the way truth and life’ without a presumption that Jesus (a) is God?

if you are arguing the very human version of Jesus, it is not something we will dispute about since we do believe Jesus as a human as well but if you want to focus on this point and disregard what the evangelists proclaim about his divinity, this argument will not help you since there is indeed development because the narratives are a flashback that is why you will even see a development in the disciples’ understanding/courage/faith.

How can a man be God and a man at the same time? How can anything be limited and unlimited at the same time?

am not sure i understand your question…it is the same importance to all prophetic writings…

Do you agree with the spiritual inspiration in the prophetic writings of Ellen G. White?

yes, the Logos/Word/Son.

Now you tell me, how can Jesus (a) be the wisdom of God, yet a complete entity seperate from the father/God?

good

 

[Khalfan]

we don’t care about the exact words in the same way you don’t…we care about the conveyed message.

What do you think is the message conveyed in the below gospels?

Mt 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[inJESUS]

If you leave the exact words said in the details of the event happened in the boat, what message do you get, that disciples used to worship Jesus (a) or they rebuked him?

What message you get from the words ‘I am the way truth and life’ without a presumption that Jesus (a) is God?

 

[inJESUS]

What do you think is the message conveyed in the below gospels?

Mt 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

the message is the opposite of what Islam claims : that Muhammad came because the words of God were corrupt…

 

[Angelos]

If you leave the exact words said in the details of the event happened in the boat, what message do you get, that disciples used to worship Jesus (a) or they rebuked him?

The minor fact that Jesus’ disciples rebuked Him because of their fear does not exclude the major fact that they worshipped Him as the only Lord. Although prophet Jonah was infuriated because of God’s mercy and disobeyed His commandment, we cannot say that he did not believe in the Lord of Israel

What message you get from the words ‘I am the way truth and life’ without a presumption that Jesus (a) is God?

We get the message that Jesus is unique. He is the only one through whom we can reach God and He is the source of truth and grace. He cannot be an ordinary prophet.

How can a man be God and a man at the same time? How can anything be limited and unlimited at the same time?

This is a silly question because the way it is constitiuted goes against Christian tenets. We do not believe that a man can become God, but that God can become man for our salvation.

Your second question reminds me of the funny question posed by atheists: Can God/Allah create a stone that He cannot lift?

Do you agree with the spiritual inspiration in the prophetic writings of Ellen G. White?

Since you believe in the innovated notion of revelation, do you also believe that Bahaullah’s book was revealed to Him?

Now you tell me, how can Jesus (a) be the wisdom of God, yet a complete entity seperate from the father/God?

Jesus is not a separate entity from the Father. You must learn what we Christians believe about Jesus before presenting these meaningless questions.

 

[Angelos]

What do you think is the message conveyed in the below gospels?

Mt 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This refutes the Islamic allegation that Jesus came to correct the corrupted word of God.

 

[Khalfan]

This refutes the Islamic allegation that Jesus came to correct the corrupted word of God.

Let the Islamic allegation come from a Muslim and then we will see. By the way, do you believe OT is never corrupted?

 

[Angelos]

Let the Islamic allegation come from a Muslim and then we will see. By the way, do you believe OT is never corrupted?

The Word of God can never be corrupted. Christians believe that God is able to preserve His message

 

[Tanvirulislam]

@Saint_Michael : Dear bro! I let me explain you. It is very easy. First of all to know any realigion you should ask to the scholar of that religion. common people knows only few things.I am too common person. but i can reply your ques. First of all you didnot try to learn arabic properly thats why you are unable to understand “La ilaha illallah.”

Please reply my quest.If suppose in the same place 3 living being are present
(i.e - a) Saint_Michael, b) Animal, c) Birds.

So which of the following sentence is correct?

1. There is no Saint_Michael except Saint_Michael among these living being.
2. There is no human except Saint_Michael among these living being.

Here Saint_Michael is name and human is its class. So Allah is the name ilaha is the class of god. I think now it is clear to you. Any body if interested can reply to me on tanvirrulislam@gmail.com

 

[schaick]

I believe that Muslims think they are worshipping the GOD of the Holy Bible.

There is one entity that would not want mankind to believe or confuse the fact that GOD made HIS Word incarnate and send Him as a Gift of Grace to pay for our sin of debt.

Either Mohammad in the Quran left a very vague mesage about the Crucifixion of Jesus that has allowed Muslims to twist the facts away from truth.

Or satan/devil has his hands in the whole issue.

For goodness sakes all - atheists, Buddhists, Sihks, etc. know the fact that Jesus was crucified.

 

[schaick]

If you leave the exact words said in the details of the event happened in the boat, what message do you get, that disciples used to worship Jesus (a) or they rebuked him?

What message you get from the words ‘I am the way truth and life’ without a presumption that Jesus (a) is God?

How can a man be God and a man at the same time? How can anything be limited and unlimited at the same time?

Do you agree with the spiritual inspiration in the prophetic writings of Ellen G. White?

Now you tell me, how can Jesus (a) be the wisdom of God, yet a complete entity seperate from the father/God?

You are trying to explain GOD by human standards. Muslims have limited the abilities of GOD.

One could say that Muslims believe the Quran was created yet existed forever.

We say Jesus did exist forever and was born of a woman in human form as a man.

For the Christian GOD is UNITY. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are unity, manifesting to mankind in different ways. I don’t know how HE did it but know HE did.

Please do not forget that GOD is SPIRIT.

 

[schaick]

Allah is only one of the many godS in the Koran as I have already and repetitively proven. The Koran uncannily teaches that Allah is the BEST of several CREATORS!

Thank you for pointing this out- LOL!! All these years of studing Islam and that never hit me!!

If there is a best there are more then just the Creator!!

37.125
YUSUFALI: "Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators,-
PICKTHAL: Will ye cry unto Baal and forsake the Best of creators,
SHAKIR: What! do you call upon Ba’l and forsake the best of the creators,
LITERAL: Do you call an idol statue/master , and you leave the creator’s best ?

23.14
YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
PICKTHAL: Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
SHAKIR: Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.
LITERAL:Then We created the drop/male’s or female’s secretion (into) a blood clot/sperm/ semen , so We created the blood clot/sperm/semen (into) a piece of something chewable of flesh or other , so We created the piece of something chewable of flesh or other (into) bones , so We dressed/clothed the bones (with) flesh/meat, then We originated/developed him (into) another creation, so blessed (is) God, best (of) the creators.

 

[jakasaki]

@Saint_Michael : Dear bro! I let me explain you. It is very easy. First of all to know any realigion you should ask to the scholar of that religion. common people knows only few things.I am too common person. but i can reply your ques. First of all you didnot try to learn arabic properly thats why you are unable to understand “La ilaha illallah.”

Please reply my quest.If suppose in the same place 3 living being are present
(i.e - a) Saint_Michael, b) Animal, c) Birds.

So which of the following sentence is correct?

1. There is no Saint_Michael except Saint_Michael among these living being.
2. There is no human except Saint_Michael among these living being.

Here Saint_Michael is name and human is its class. So Allah is the name ilaha is the class of god. I think now it is clear to you. Any body if interested can reply to me on tanvirrulislam@gmail.com

**This is dead wrong to bring back a thread from 4 years ago.

Most members who participated on here have been banned while others have completely disappeared from CAF years ago. **