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maverickspaniel
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When an individual is ordained a transitional deacon if that person decides to get married he must go through the process of laicization. Once this is done he is free to marry.
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FrDavid96
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No. That’s not how it works.
First, no one is ordained as either a transition deacon or a permanent deacon. A deacon is a deacon because he has been ordained a deacon. There is only one order of deacon.
Laicization means a return the the status of a lay-person. It means no longer in active ministry of whatever order he was ordained. Laicization does not mean “free to marry.”
A release from the promise of celibacy is required to get married. This can be done after laicization, or part of the process, or it may even happen (in very rare circumstances) for an active cleric. Laicization is not a pre-requisite for a release from the promise of celibacy, nor is the release from the promise of celibacy necessarily included in laicization.
Two different realities. Two different canonical processes.
Those are two different things–not to be confused with each other.
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Mi_Rose
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I know a deacon who was allowed to remarry after his first wife died. It is rare but it happens in cases where the wife is needed to care for minor children or the wife’s aging or ill parents or in this case when the woman was the widow of a deacon and she had a terminal illness that would require someone to take care of her.
When the bishop told the deacon community he said it would never happen again in our lifetime.
Obviously this case had to go to Rome.
When the bishop told the deacon community he said it would never happen again in our lifetime.
Obviously this case had to go to Rome.
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For diocesan deacons who are married at ordination, I would guess there would be some conditional kind of promise of “If my present wife dies, I will then become celibate”. Obviously he is bound by his marriage vows to forsake all others in the meantime.maverickspaniel:
Laicization means a return the the status of a lay-person. It means no longer in active ministry of whatever order he was ordained. Laicization does not mean “free to marry.”
A release from the promise of celibacy is required to get married.
For religious order deacons, which we hardly ever hear about, I think there are temporary or permanent vows that have to be addressed.
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Mi_Rose
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A married deacon is bound by chastity as are all Catholics. Because his marriage vows precede his diaconal ordination and promises he is not bound by celibacy while his wife is alive according to most theologians but there are those who believe that all deacons should be celibate regardless of marital state.
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FrDavid96
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There is no “promise” as such (conditional or not), however it is made very clear to a married candidate for diaconate that should his wife precede him in death, he is not eligibly to re-marry. He is required to acknowledge that he is aware of this and accepts it. It’s just not a formal promise in the same way that an unmarried candidate makes a promise.
The end result is, of course, the same.
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FrDavid96
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Mi_Rose
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Debunked yes. Oh and not something I have ever believed. That doesn’t mean there are not theologians who still argue about it. It seems to me that some theologians think their job is to argue.
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Mi_Rose
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My husband is a deacon and we have seven children. I do ot agree with celibacy for married deacons at all.
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Mi_Rose
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How can I like that more than once Deacon Jeff?
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FrDavid96
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I am sometimes amazed at the fact that the Catholic Church puts so much emphasis on the “procreative end” of marriage over and over again. And rightly so.
And yet, to some people (a tiny minority), that whole “procreative end thing” just gets tossed out the window and dismissed as irrelevant when speaking of validly married deacons. I mean “fer cryin’ out loud” do they not understand the definition of the word “married”?
And yet, to some people (a tiny minority), that whole “procreative end thing” just gets tossed out the window and dismissed as irrelevant when speaking of validly married deacons. I mean “fer cryin’ out loud” do they not understand the definition of the word “married”?
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