I am not sure what diocese the op is from.Do you belong to the same diocese as the OP?
Can your bishop over rule Redemptionis Sacramentum?
Someone posted the following from Redemtionis Sacramentum :General Instruction of the Roman Missal states:
I visited a parish yesterday, and right before Mass (while I was kneeling in prayer), a bugler entered the nave and blasted out America the Beautiful, followed by Taps.
- … Even before the celebration itself, it is commendable that silence to be observed in the church, in the sacristy, in the vesting room, and in adjacent areas, so that all may dispose themselves to carry out the sacred action in a devout and fitting manner.
When is this stuff going to end? When are people going to stop taking the focus from God in our churches? I love my country just as much as the next person (I’m a vet), but Mass is not the place for this sort of thing.
No. The only time that such statements should be made is after the post-Communion prayer. The documents clearly state this.The laity are permitted to talk after the Homily, after Communion( announcements), and after the Mass.
but what if the talk aren’t announcements?No. The only time that such statements should be made is after the post-Communion prayer. The documents clearly state this.
They fall under the same category. It’s a solicitation for money. It’s an announcement. It needs to go after the post-Communion prayer. Here is the text from the Roman Missal:but what if the talk aren’t announcements?
Thus, this is where such talks belong.The Concluding Rites
140.** If they are necessary, any brief announcements to the people follow here.**
That is why the celebrant preaches a homily. With all due respect, I do not know why it is so hard to understand this statement from RS:i mean in other situations that there are no solicitations
just story telling that would inspire people or a story that witnesses to the goodness of God in today’s life
That is where such remarks belong.
- Preaching
[161.] As was already noted above, the homily on account of its importance and its nature is reserved to the Priest or Deacon during Mass.260 As regards other forms of preaching, if necessity demands it in particular circumstances, or if usefulness suggests it in special cases, lay members of Christ’s faithful may be allowed to preach in a church or in an oratory **outside Mass **in accordance with the norm of law.261
It does not state that. You posted this same statement a month or so ago. You did not understand the meaning then or do you now. You can not interpret documents to suit your wishes.No. The only time that such statements should be made is after the post-Communion prayer. The documents clearly state this.
But, it does not make your point either. Furthermore, just because something is not specifically stated in the GIRM or in the rubrics of the Roman Missal, that does not give anyone, be he the celebrant or the laity, the authority to tack that on to the Mass. So, absence of this does not give anyone carte blanche to do it.It does not state that. You posted this same statement a month or so ago. You did not understand the meaning then or do you now. You can not interpret documents to suit your wishes.
Show the document. Don’t bother if you cite instruction or testimony as they do not apply.
I asked a Canon Lawyer ,if the laity were permitted to speak after the Homily. He said they were. My Bishop stated they were permitted to talk after the Homily. Read the other posts and you will find support in my statement.But, it does not make your point either. Furthermore, just because something is not specifically stated in the GIRM or in the rubrics of the Roman Missal, that does not give anyone, be he the celebrant or the laity, the authority to tack that on to the Mass. So, absence of this does not give anyone carte blanche to do it.
There are important issues that need to be addressed in our church in promoting Our Redeemer. If a Bishop or a Priest feels that someone in the laity might provide assistenceIn response to the OP’s question, several people have provided sources including papal documents and the GIRM. What is not clear about this issue? Are some people so enthrawed by creativity and entertainment that they do not understand the basic concepts of the liturgy? Personal testimonies, parish business, money campaigns, dance, etc, have no place in the Holy Sacrifice Of The Mass. Turn your attention away from yourselves and towards Our Redeemer.
Again, I point out to you the citation in the actual Roman Missal which you, conveniently tend to ignore. Furthermore, a Canon Lawyer’s opinion does not hold the same weight as an authoritative document issued from the Holy See, in this case, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. Such announcments/statements belong in their proper place, after the post-Communion prayer.I asked a Canon Lawyer ,if the laity were permitted to speak after the Homily. He said they were. My Bishop stated they were permitted to talk after the Homily. Read the other posts and you will find support in my statement.
Before you take a authoritative position , please check your facts. When you originally
dismissed the Bishops statement that I posted ,without any proof other than your erroneous interpatition, I knew I had someone that would not listen to my posts. Thus the tone I have taken with you. Your point has been proven wrong. The laity are permitted to speak after the Homily, after Communion and at the announcements.
What citation?Again, I point out to you the citation in the actual Roman Missal which you, conveniently tend to ignore. Furthermore, a Canon Lawyer’s opinion does not hold the same weight as an authoritative document issued from the Holy See, in this case, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. Such announcments/statements belong in their proper place, after the post-Communion prayer.
No I only asked the question. The Bishops answer was sufficient for me. But perhaps those who are in disagreement with the answers received should take this one step further and contact their Bishop or cite the “Documents” that prove the Bishop wrong or show the error of the Canon Lawyer.those who cited their bishop/canon lawyer do they give you any canon paragraphs or anything?
But you have made a claim without posting a citation. I and others have posted citations.No I only asked the question. The Bishops answer was sufficient for me. But perhaps those who are in disagreement with the answers received should take this one step further and contact their Bishop or cite the “Documents” that prove the Bishop wrong or show the error of the Canon Lawyer.
This question was asked in a unrelated incedent last year. Whether or not one agrees with the laity’s talk after the Homily is irrevelant. The permission is granted.
I have gone as far as I am willing to go on this topic.