It’s not only important for priests and bishops, but EVERYONE of the faithful who are involved in liturgy. So, when our bishop, who, every year, commands that a video presentation about the Bishop’s Appeal be played during the homily (and only during the homily, no other time) what do you suggest we do in accordance with Church teaching? Follow our Bishop or not?It’s important that priests and bishops have read the norms and clarifications laid out in the GIRM and RS and follow them carefully, to rid the Mass or liturgical abuses, no matter how small. If we let the small things pass, then the bigger things might begin to look smaller.
It actually should be after the Post-Communion prayer, not after the reception of Holy Communion itself.My parish usually has announcements made right after the prayer after Communion. In fact, this past week we had a man who represents the publishing company of those who publish our bulletin’s explain to us how important advertising in the bulletin is. His speech was made after the prayer after communion, then the general parish announcements were made, and then the final blessing and then the dismissal.
For some reason, I don’t like the idea of reading announcements after Communion. It seems to break the spirituality up and makes me lose concentration a lot of the time. They used to read the announcements before the processional hymn, but then our new pastor changed that to after Communion. I just say that they should only announce something if there is an important feast or solemnity coming up, or something of the like. I would save all other announcements for the bulletin, but, you don’t really know if there are many people who read it. Sure, they may pick it up, but do they really read it?
I agree. If it’s a brief mention of a feast, change to Mass time, or charity collection reminder for example, fine, but everything else should be in the bulletin. Why have a bulletin if everything in it is read at Mass.I just say that they should only announce something if there is an important feast or solemnity coming up, or something of the like. I would save all other announcements for the bulletin, but, you don’t really know if there are many people who read it. Sure, they may pick it up, but do they really read it?
If it’s a one off, as its not sacrilegious, you could let it pass. If it was regularly happening then you could write a polite letter to him and quote the GIRM and RS, to show that such an action is not permitted. A Bishop does not have authority to change the GIRM or RS.It’s not only important for priests and bishops, but EVERYONE of the faithful who are involved in liturgy. So, when our bishop, who, every year, commands that a video presentation about the Bishop’s Appeal be played during the homily (and only during the homily, no other time) what do you suggest we do in accordance with Church teaching? Follow our Bishop or not?
Isn’t that exactly what Catholic Z09 said?It actually should be after the Post-Communion prayer, not after the reception of Holy Communion itself.
This happens every year. I know this has been brought to the bishop’s attention. So what now?If it’s a one off, as its not sacrilegious, you could let it pass. If it was regularly happening then you could write a polite letter to him letter and quote the GIRM and RS, to show that such an action is not permitted. A Bishop does not have authority to change the GIRM or RS.
If it were me, as it’s once a year and the intention is good, I would ‘bear’ it. If it was more regular though, I would write to the Bishop. If it was not rectified I would then write to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (CDWDS).This happens every year. I know this has been brought to the bishop’s attention. So what now?
So my bishop is wrong?If it were me, as it’s once a year and the intention is good, I would ‘bear’ it. If it was more regular though, I would write to the Bishop. If it was not rectified I would then write to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (CDWDS).
Yes (respectfully).So my bishop is wrong?
Wow. So if I can’t trust my Bishop, where do I turn, as a Catholic?Yes (respectfully).
After the homily comes silence.
A Bishop can’t change the GIRM or RS. It’s just a fact. He must abide by what is contained in it.Wow. So if I can’t trust my Bishop, where do I turn, as a Catholic?
Of course. But my Bishop is not changing the GIRM, merely adding something to the Mass that is neither prescribed nor proscribed by the GIRM.A Bishop can’t change the GIRM or RS. It’s just a fact. He must abide by what is contained in it.
It’s not as if he’s abusing the Eucharist, he just has the video in the wrong spot, that’s all. No need to lose trust.
As you know, Bishops aren’t 100% infallible in every itty bitty thing they do.
The GIRM and RS are very specific on where such things should be. By not following the perscriptions he is altering the GIRM and RS.Of course. But my Bishop is not changing the GIRM, merely adding something to the Mass that is neither prescribed nor proscribed by the GIRM.
So if a Bishop makes a little mistake, we should lose confidence in him? It’s not as if he is supporting abortion or dithering on child protection.If I can’t follow my Bishop on this matter, why should I follow him on anything else that is not simply repeating something general the Vatican says?
I guess my doubt is, well, the GIRM does not say that nothing can be inserted after the homily, right? So if my Bishop decides (despite my displeasure) to require something presented to the assembly after the homily…is that illicit? Or wrong?The GIRM and RS are very specific on where such things should be. By not following the perscriptions he is altering the GIRM and RS.
Does the GIRM perscribe break-dancing (I know this sounds silly), but does it? The GIRM and to my knoweldge RS does not forbid it, so can a Bishop add break-dancing.
General Instruction of the Roman Missal 24. The priest must remember that he is the servant of the sacred Liturgy and that he himself is not permitted, on his own initiative, to add, to remove, or to change anything in the celebration of Mass. Cf. Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concilium, no. 22.
The GIRM prescribes silence after the homily nothing else, silence. Then come the Credo and Prayer of the Faithful.
Your Bishop is right! The talk by the laity is allowed after the homily. Do not allow others to interpet the rules falsely in a weak attempt to prove their position. The lack of respect towards a Bishop is reprehensible. I have distanced my postings on this topic because of these rants.You may personally not approve of the laity speaking at this time yet there are valid circumstances where this is allowed.I guess my doubt is, well, the GIRM does not say that nothing can be inserted after the homily, right? So if my Bishop decides (despite my displeasure) to require something presented to the assembly after the homily…is that illicit? Or wrong?
The priest is not adding anything on his own initiative in this case, he’s ordered by his Bishop.
There is still silence after the homily, so that requirement is not being violated.
I don’t see where my Bishop is violating anything, I am just not comfortable with the way he is apparently interpreting and applying the liturgical directives.
Pointing out a small error by a Bishop is hardly disrespectful or consitutes a rant, espcially when the offical documents and ruberics are quoted from but those with a differing opinion can not site any such documents.Your Bishop is right! The talk by the laity is allowed after the homily. Do not allow others to interpet the rules falsely in a weak attempt to prove their position. The lack of respect towards a Bishop is reprehensible. I have distanced my postings on this topic because of these rants.
But not after the homily - before the final blessing.You may personally not approve of the laity speaking at this time yet there are valid circumstances where this is allowed.
The Code of Canon law admits it barely touches on liturgical law!Last year I personally mailed my Bishop this query regarding whether this was permissible, he replyed that it was. A Canon Lawer gave the same answer to the question.
The GIRM says after the homily there is silenceI have faith in my Bishop, I suggest that you continue to have faith in yours.
I am now finished on this “question”
With all due respect, thomas, you are wrong. The rubrics specifically state where such talks belong. Are you also going to ignore Redemptionis Sacramentum, which specifically states that:Your Bishop is right! The talk by the laity is allowed after the homily. Do not allow others to interpet the rules falsely in a weak attempt to prove their position. The lack of respect towards a Bishop is reprehensible. I have distanced my postings on this topic because of these rants.You may personally not approve of the laity speaking at this time yet there are valid circumstances where this is allowed.
Last year I personally mailed my Bishop this query regarding whether this was permissible, he replyed that it was. A Canon Lawer gave the same answer to the question.
I have faith in my Bishop, I suggest that you continue to have faith in yours.
I am now finished on this “question”
Again, the bishop does not carte blanche authority to overrule the authoritative documents of the Holy See. The GIRM section, which I quoted and which you continue to ignore, outlines what a bishop can and cannot do. Please, with all due respect, do not continue misleading people with what I consider to be a very flawed interpretation. You have yet to cite any authoritative source, other than your opinion and a canon lawyer’s opinion, on the matter. Rather than go to opinions, go to the source.If the need arises for the gathered faithful to be given instruction or testimony by a layperson in a Church concerning the Christian life, it is altogether preferable that this be done outside Mass. Nevertheless, for serious reasons it is permissible that this type of instruction or testimony be given after the Priest has proclaimed the Prayer after Communion.
As it has been said countless times, the GIRM and rubrics say what is to happen, not that which is not allowed. The GIRM says that there is to be some sacred silence. The rubrics in the Missal state:I guess my doubt is, well, the GIRM does not say that nothing can be inserted after the homily, right? So if my Bishop decides (despite my displeasure) to require something presented to the assembly after the homily…is that illicit? Or wrong?
The priest is not adding anything on his own initiative in this case, he’s ordered by his Bishop.
There is still silence after the homily, so that requirement is not being violated.
I don’t see where my Bishop is violating anything, I am just not comfortable with the way he is apparently interpreting and applying the liturgical directives.
The GIRM states:After the homily, the profession of faith is said…
The GIRM and rubrics must be read along side of one another and they work together. In the GIRM, the sacred silence is considered part of the Homily, as it is in the same section. So then, one would read this as: “After the homily, which includes a brief period of silence at its end, the profession of faith is said…”66…After the homily a brief period of silence is appropriately observed.