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manualman
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Mark me up as mis-informed then. I thought a non-catholic marrying a catholic DID have to promise to raise the kids catholic. If it ain’t true, it SHOULD be!
How depressing that we show no statistical difference from the general populace. Personally, I’d like to see further breakdown than merely all those who self-identify as catholic and were baptised. How about looking at those who go to confession at least once a year and mass weekly? etc…
How depressing that we show no statistical difference from the general populace. Personally, I’d like to see further breakdown than merely all those who self-identify as catholic and were baptised. How about looking at those who go to confession at least once a year and mass weekly? etc…
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puzzleannie
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the Catholic party must promise to raise the children Catholic, and the non-Catholic partner must be informed of that promise, and of law binding on the Catholic partner, which means they must go through the marriage preparation together.
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Cobbfmly
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My husband was not Catholic at the time we were married. During our pre-marriage meetings with the priest the question of if my husband would allow any children we had to be raised Catholic was among the questions that was on the form that the priest asked us questions from and filled out. So, I can see how married couples can consider this a church teaching.
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gam197
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At one time a man’s word was considered as good as “Gospel truth” and I thought that is why the priest asked before the marriage before both parties so there would be no war over whether it was OK for the Catholic to raise their child Catholic.
Is was indeed binding but now a man’s word may not have much meaning.
Granted there were always some who took advantage of a verbal contracts but in the past often even business contracts were verbal and as good as gold.
Is was indeed binding but now a man’s word may not have much meaning.
Granted there were always some who took advantage of a verbal contracts but in the past often even business contracts were verbal and as good as gold.
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sweetchuck
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Catechism of the Catholic Church 1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority.137 In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage.138 This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.139
137 Cf. CIC, can. 1124.
138 Cf. CIC, can. 1086.
139 Cf. CIC, can. 1125.
It seems that those who really do not know the Catholic Church teachings are the Georgetown University researchers responsible for this report.
137 Cf. CIC, can. 1124.
138 Cf. CIC, can. 1086.
139 Cf. CIC, can. 1125.
It seems that those who really do not know the Catholic Church teachings are the Georgetown University researchers responsible for this report.
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Digitonomy
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What you quoted is exactly what puzzleannie said, which is consistent with the statement from the Georgetown study.
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sweetchuck
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I didn’t see any reference in any previous post to the exact Catechism or Code of Canon Law references to which this pertains, which I thought would be useful to anyone not knowing “why” this remark in the Georgetown study was in error.
Anywho…
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Harmony1988
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Why get married to a non-Catholic when the Bible warns against it?
Similarly if you are a non-Catholic marrying someone with conflicting beliefs? I don’t get it.
‘cause we looove each other’
pfft.
Similarly if you are a non-Catholic marrying someone with conflicting beliefs? I don’t get it.
‘cause we looove each other’
pfft.
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Bennie_P
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To get converts like Me
The proud father of two beautiful devout Catholic Boys.http://javascript<b></b>:openWindow('cr/1636.htm');
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OriginalJS
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This seems to have been sidetracked on the old issue of education of children. If Catholics were once outside of the American mainstream, that day has long since passed. They are now fully integrated in American culture. So it only makes sense that a demographic study of Catholics would parallel the American population in general.
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OriginalJS
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Why does the Church sanction these marriages?
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MelanieAnne
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One of the premier, and most beloved, members of our parish’s RCIA team is married to a non-Catholic (and he may even be a “nothing”, I don’t really know, I just know he’s a very nice man.)
I have never asked her how she feels about the situation but I imagine she prays every day for her husband to become a member of Our Church. Why should such a wonderful person not have her marriage sanctioned by the Church?
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Harmony1988
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Yes great, but many times there is no ‘conversion’ and I know it, cause someone in my family has that problem. This is like closing your eyes at 9 am and attempting to cross the highway just hoping you won’t get knocked over, hoping thing will work out, but NOT really doign what the Bible says.To get converts like Me
http://javascript<b></b>:openWindow('cr/1636.htm');
What the canon law is saying is ONCE they are married, what needs to be done for conversion, no way are they saying go get married to someone with a different belief. Either you didn’t read it properly or are trying to deceive me, didn’t work.
Geez
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Harmony1988
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That’s great, what’s done is done and now that you are a catholic it’s a good thing, but do know that many marriages don’t turn out that way, hence why the Bible warns against it, why else would the Bible warn against it?To get converts like Me
Thinking caps please.
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Harmony1988
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It’s a valid marriage, go read the Bible as to what constitutes a marriage and the law of the Church.
The Bible doesn’t explicitly CONDEMN it, but it WARNS, why? Because conflicting beliefs, LOGICALLY leads to problems.
Protestant beliefs are vastly different to a Catholic’s beliefs, I’m talking about devouts here, it’s not putting your faith first, it’s putting your wants first.
The Church doesn’t ban it, because the Bible doesn’t, the marriage is valid, though it’s not encouraged because it’s just common sense, you don’t have to be religious to understand that concept, people who have conflicting beliefs have a great chance of fighting and the relationship not working out. It’s logic, as simple as that.
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Harmony1988
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I never said the marriage was not sanctioned, people are not reading properly, the marriage is always valid.
What I’m talking about is getting into a marriage with someone with different beliefs, WHY? it’s not like the world is running short of catholics or something, the Bible warns against it, 'do not be yoked…etc."
It’s putting ‘wants’ ahead of ‘faith’, but the biblical definition of a complete marriage is CONSENTING people and the consummation.
However it doesn’t make void the warning about getting married to people of differnt faiths, it’s not just biblical, it’s common sense, there are plenty that start moaning later that their husband or wife want’s to do things that are un-catholic or their children lacked a catholic education, bla bla bla, and I’ve seen it happening in my famil
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This is from the CARA study explaining their comments:
*23 The Church requires the Catholic spouse in the marriage to “promise to do all in his or her power” to have their children baptized and raised in the Catholic faith. This addition of “all in his or her power” is new to the Church’s 1983 Code of Canon Law. Unlike the previous 1917 version of the Code of Canon Law, the new rule does not require the Catholic spouse make an absolute promise and the non-Catholic spouse does not make a promise and is instead “informed at an appropriate time of these promises which the Catholic party has to make, so that it is clear that the other party is truly aware of the promise and obligation of the Catholic party.”
*So, if you dig deeply enough into the study you will find where the hair has been split. If you don’t dig into the details you will be left with the impression that the Church has rescinded her position that Catholics in mixed marriages should still raise the children as … Catholics. I guess that’s not the impression Georgetown wants to convey.
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rwoehmke
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My Mom who was the Catholic spouse in a mixed marriage pounded on us very often to not even think about dating someone of a different religion. Start dating them and a certain percentage will marry them. She sure had it right. My brother, sister and I married Catholics because we never dated anything else. I tried the same theme with my own kids with mixed results. One is still single, two are married to Catholics, one married a divorced Baptist in the Baptist church and has left the Church, one married an atheist and practices no religion, and one married a woman who thought she might be Episcopal who turned out to be not baptized. Out of nine grandchildren, six are baptized Catholics, two are Baptists, and one is to be raised in no-religion. The atheist spouse is a real problem when it comes to religion. It is interesting that the non-Catholic spouses are all pro-choice, but would never have an abortion themselves.
By the way my Evangelical Lutheran father taught us our Baltimore Catechism. At his death when my sister told the minister that he had done this, the minister was not sure he wanted to handle the funeral service. He said,“He should never have done that.” My father however was a man of his word. He made a promise and he kept it in spades, Catholic schools, Catholic College and all that. My Mother and Father were dead for a number of years, when I saw them at the wedding Mass when my 3rd son married the unbaptized young woman who thought she was Episcopal. They weren’t there long, but they showed up in a non-existent balcony on the left wall of the church. They looked young again and happy.
By the way my Evangelical Lutheran father taught us our Baltimore Catechism. At his death when my sister told the minister that he had done this, the minister was not sure he wanted to handle the funeral service. He said,“He should never have done that.” My father however was a man of his word. He made a promise and he kept it in spades, Catholic schools, Catholic College and all that. My Mother and Father were dead for a number of years, when I saw them at the wedding Mass when my 3rd son married the unbaptized young woman who thought she was Episcopal. They weren’t there long, but they showed up in a non-existent balcony on the left wall of the church. They looked young again and happy.
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drafdog
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For more on marriage from sociological point of view see “Faithful Attraction” by A.M. Greeley Ph.D. Dr. Greeley analyzes marriage and religion and their influences on one another.
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