Last Words of Jesus

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Verisimilitude said:
I thought there was no conflict in the Quran?

Why would God trick everybody?

Do you honor what those governments say in religious matters only or are you a citizen from there? Is Paarasurey free to stay in his disbelief if he lived in those countries?
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I would prefere Paarsurrey to answer my question. Which i wrote for post #30. Thank you
 
Well to respond to some allegations about who Jesus was referring to when on the cross He said “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me”. We know that it was God’s human nature dying on the cross.
As far as His last words, would it be what He said before He died, before He ascended into heaven, when He asked Saul why he was persecuting Him, has He really said what we call last words. I don’t think so. He is still speaking to us. Many however are deaf.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi friend!

I don’t think Jesus ever mentioned from his mouth the words "THE LAMB’S SUPPER or the first MASS. " Neither I have read in Quran from Jesus mouth nor in the NTBible saying these words or commanding to observe them. If you or anybody else thinks otherwise, kindly quote from both the respected Books.

Thanks
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What kind of response is that. You might as well tell me that a horse was never mention in the Traffic Report for this week. Doesn’t make any sense.

The Lamb’s Supper is a book. the Mass is just an adopted name of the Worship we Catholic participate in. You sound like a bible only Muslim:rolleyes:. I was giving a good book that would actually explain a lot. It’s not necessarily meant for you, but for others. It’s a small book. the 4th Cup explains further what Jesus in the Christian’s Sacred Scripture means. It is rooted in the Passover. You can believe a rock is god if you want. I was just adding cognitive information for all to see. Catholics would greatly benefit from reading these books and then turn around and read the early church fathers.

Jesus died for you too. He’s calling you home. He calls all of us home. Whether or not you accept that is on you. God knows your heart. I don’t judge you eternal salvation. I just think your response to mine was …well strange.
 
planten said:
he put Doubting Thomas in his place and then he rose up to heaven.
What does this mean “He put doubting Thomas in his place?” I am interested in knowing what is the meaning of putting in his place please. Does it mean “putting doubting Thomas in his own place?” scooter should please explain it. Thanks.
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Hum! Who said a thing like that? It sounds rather harsh! I think Jesus knew the Apostles couldn’t force him to believe them, and He also knew that Thomas would have liked to believe them but just was unable to. I know this idea of Jesus “putting doubting Thomas in his own place” is held by a number of people, but after having read Dostoyevsky’s comment on Thomas’s unbelief in The Brothers Karamazov (in the chapter introducing Alyosha (Alexei), the youngest of the three brothers Karamazov), I just am sure it’s not quite the way it went!
 
planten said:
Interesting topic. What were the last words of jesus. Important people have important last words.
What were last words of Jesus?
For example, gMark’s last words of Jesus were, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me”?
That was according to the gospel of Mark. But I am surprised to see these words. Jesus said “My God, My God…”. It means Jesus had a God? What will the christians please say about it?
The other thing is posted by the scooter: It is about Jesus:
Thanks.
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It’s also the first verse of Psalm 22. After His resurrection, Jesus asked Mary of Magdala to tell His “brothers” (the Apostles and the rest of His disciples): “I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” He comes from Him…
 
Lapell said:
It’s also the first verse of Psalm 22. After His resurrection, Jesus asked Mary of Magdala to tell His “brothers” (the Apostles and the rest of His disciples): “I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” He comes from Him…
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**These words of Jesus are also meaningful. That is “My Father and your father”. It means that God was the father of others too and they were his sons/daughters." ???

'My God and your God" shows that there is a God of all of us and He is also the God of Jesus too. So Jesus is same as us. Our God and Jesus God is the same. That means Jesus is same as us.**
 
Lapell said:
Hum! Who said a thing like that? It sounds rather harsh! I think Jesus knew the Apostles couldn’t force him to believe them, and He also knew that Thomas would have liked to believe them but just was unable to. I know this idea of Jesus “putting doubting Thomas in his own place” is held by a number of people, but after having read Dostoyevsky’s comment on Thomas’s unbelief in The Brothers Karamazov (in the chapter introducing Alyosha (Alexei), the youngest of the three brothers Karamazov), I just am sure it’s not quite the way it went!
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** That seems a good reply. Putting doubting Thomas in his place… is not a good phrase…**
 
planten said:
**These words of Jesus are also meaningful. That is “My Father and your father”. It means that God was the father of others too and they were his sons/daughters." ???

'My God and your God" shows that there is a God of all of us and He is also the God of Jesus too. So Jesus is same as us. Our God and Jesus God is the same. That means Jesus is same as us.**
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Well, we already were creatures of God, but through our baptism, we were made children of God. Some denegate it rejecting God’s ways, but we are supposed to follow God’s revealed ways to us: “Like father,like son!”
 
Our baptism made us part of the Church, the mystical body of Jesus the Christ, who is the Son. so we are sons in the one Son of God. This is how the Church tells it… voilà!
 
It may not be simple to outsiders… it’s not even so simple to us, but this is our faith, and I adhere to it.
God bless you!
 
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