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JewishCatholic said:
A simple internet search would’ve eliminated the need for this thread.:confused::D:eek:🤷👍
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That would be the case for every thread.
Please, you have stated the pope has a contrary position on a pretty important matter. Can you back that up?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
That would be the case for every thread.
Please, you have stated the pope has a contrary position on a pretty important matter. Can you back that up?
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I already posted my source. I am unwilling to do so again.
 
In the article Pope Francis stresses the importance of Mass. “nourish us with his word and his life. This means that the mission and identity of the church begin and take form there.” Its pretty clear the Pope doesn’t think you should be banned from the greatness of receiving the living blood and body of our savior Jesus Christ because you walked in a few minuets late. He also said Attendance at Mass also should lead to “the grace of feeling forgiven and able to forgive others,”. You wouldn’t feel forgiven if your fellow parishioners kicked you out the door after arriving late:eek::eek:
 
Brendan_64 said:
There is nothing in that article about a person being able to, or not able to, receive Communion as a result of missing the Gospel.
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Maybe not directly, but the pope strongly infers that he wants people at mass. NOT LEAVING IT!!!
 
JewishCatholic said:
In the article Pope Francis stresses the importance of Mass. “nourish us with his word and his life. This means that the mission and identity of the church begin and take form there.” Its pretty clear the Pope doesn’t think you should be banned from the greatness of receiving the living blood and body of our savior Jesus Christ because you walked in a few minuets late. He also said Attendance at Mass also should lead to “the grace of feeling forgiven and able to forgive others,”. You wouldn’t feel forgiven if your fellow parishioners kicked you out the door after arriving late:eek::eek:
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I’d be real careful basing your theological opinions based on what you THINK this particular pope thinks or is trying to say…

Either way, you can’t cite anything to back your claim, I guess we can move on in the thread…
 
JewishCatholic said:
Maybe not directly, but the pope strongly infers that he wants people at mass. NOT LEAVING IT!!!
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That still does not follow that everyone who walks into Mass ought to receive Communion. The Pope has not said that at all. There is still the requirement to be in a state of grace, free from mortal sin, in order to receive Communion. To do otherwise is to be guilty of the sin of sacrilege. That is Church teaching.

Who mentioned anything about people leaving Mass?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I’d be real careful basing your theological opinions based on what you THINK this particular pope thinks or is trying to say…

Either way, you can’t cite anything to back your claim, I guess we can move on in the thread…
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I just showed you the source where he said that. You’re an intelligent man and I trust you will make the right decision. Follow the pope and welcome fellow Catholics to mass, or boot them out for being late?
 
Brendan_64 said:
That still does not follow that everyone who walks into Mass ought to receive Communion. The Pope has not said that at all. There is still the requirement to be in a state of grace, free from mortal sin, in order to receive Communion. To do otherwise is to be guilty of the sin of sacrilege. That is Church teaching.

Who mentioned anything about people leaving Mass?
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Arriving late to mass is enough to leave the state of grace??? I understand not everyone should be receiving Eucharist. And pope wants everybody at mass, and participating who are able as stated in the article. This sort of rhetoric alienates future members.
 
JewishCatholic said:
I just showed you the source where he said that. You’re an intelligent man and I trust you will make the right decision. Follow the pope and welcome fellow Catholics to mass, or boot them out for being late?
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No, you didn’t. He didn’t say that. Period. You are being dishonest in your assertion.

Try this, “. You are right, that doesn’t say that. I may have overreached in my assertion and zeal to shore up an opinion on the Internet”
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
No, you didn’t. He didn’t say that. Period. You are being dishonest in your assertion.

Try this, “. You are right, that doesn’t say that. I may have overreached in my assertion and zeal to shore up an opinion on the Internet”
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This reminds me of a story. A father told his son that he could have half of his soda. The father found out that it was all gone and the son said, but my half was at the bottom. This is a very similar situation. The pope makes it clear as crystal that he wants us at mass and we should be welcoming those with open arms into the church. that would include not booting people out the door for being late. Then your childish response is basically quote

“But the pope did not use that exact wording, you’re a liar and making your own church rules”
 
JewishCatholic said:
This reminds me of a story. A father told his son that he could have half of his soda. The father found out that it was all gone and the son said, but my half was at the bottom. This is a very similar situation. The pope makes it clear as crystal that he wants us at mass and we should be welcoming those with open arms into the church. that would include not booting people out the door for being late. Then your childish response is basically quote

“But the pope did not use that exact wording, you’re a liar and making your own church rules”
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You have posted your “source” everyone can see the truth.
 
JewishCatholic said:
Arriving late to mass is enough to leave the state of grace??? I understand not everyone should be receiving Eucharist. And pope wants everybody at mass, and participating who are able as stated in the article. This sort of rhetoric alienates future members.
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Not fulfilling your Sunday obligation is grave matter. That isn’t rhetoric, it’s Church teaching.

The issue is at what point during the Mass are you too late to have fulfilled your Sunday obligation at that Mass? Possibly a priest ought not to refuse Communion. Even if the person did arrive too late to fulfil their Sunday obligation, it could be argued that the person could still receive Communion and then go to a later Mass and fulfil their Sunday obligation without receiving.

As to alienating future members, yes we want people to join the Church, but in order to do so we should not water down teachings so as to make things more palatable.
 
Brendan_64 said:
Not fulfilling your Sunday obligation is grave matter. That isn’t rhetoric, it’s Church teaching.

The issue is at what point during the Mass are you too late to have fulfilled your Sunday obligation at that Mass? Possibly a priest ought not to refuse Communion. Even if the person did arrive too late to fulfil their Sunday obligation, it could be argued that the person could still receive Communion and then go to a later Mass and fulfil their Sunday obligation without receiving.

As to alienating future members, yes we want people to join the Church, but in order to do so we should not water down teachings so as to make things more palatable.
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And of course a person could have a very good reason for arriving late and could be applauded for making a heroic effort to get there.
 
We go to Mass because we are sinners and we want to receive God’s pardon, to participate in the redemption of Jesus, in his forgiveness. -Pope Francis

Case Closed.
 
JewishCatholic said:
We go to Mass because we are sinners and we want to receive God’s pardon, to participate in the redemption of Jesus, in his forgiveness. -Pope Francis

Case Closed.
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What has this got to do with receiving Communion or not? Mass is not simply just about receiving Communion. You haven’t closed anything.
 
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