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i try to make daily mass,lots of times i get stuck at work and because of that i get late to mass,sometimes after the reading of scripture.A priest told me in order to receive communion you need at least to be at the scripture reading.
i thought this applies only to Sunday and days of obligation.the question is , am i able to receive communion during the week if come to mass after the reading of scripture?

thank you
 
Not sure… it is distracting to those at the mass, especially if it’s a small group. Try AAA! (ask an apologist)
 
i try to make daily mass,lots of times i get stuck at work and because of that i get late to mass,sometimes after the reading of scripture.A priest told me in order to receive communion you need at least to be at the scripture reading.
i thought this applies only to Sunday and days of obligation.the question is , am i able to receive communion during the week if come to mass after the reading of scripture?

thank you
Yes you are able to receive.

I struggle with this myself, and question if I’m habitually “late” for daily Mass why is that? Can I make daily Mass more of a priority? Or am I doing the best I can given my circumstances? what do you think?
 
i try to make daily mass,lots of times i get stuck at work and because of that i get late to mass,sometimes after the reading of scripture.A priest told me in order to receive communion you need at least to be at the scripture reading.
i thought this applies only to Sunday and days of obligation.the question is , am i able to receive communion during the week if come to mass after the reading of scripture?

thank you
There is no point in the Mass when you have to be there in order to receive. Being there to at least hear the gospel is the customary point that most people speak of, but the Church does not define any moment–so this is just a personal custom, even if it might be shared by a lot of people.

One way to look at this is to remember the fact that a Catholic can receive Communion even outside of Mass at any appropriate time, so long as there’s nothing else prohibiting it (all the other requirements still apply). Sometimes, rarely, it happens that a regular daily Mass attendee is so late as to miss the entire Mass. The priest can still administer Communion outside of Mass–using the appropriate ritual. So if you can receive when missing the “whole” of Mass, you can likewise receive if you miss the “part” of Mass. Having said that though, you should follow the counsel of the priest who is celebrating that Mass.

And keep in mind that receiving Communion is a different issue than that of fulfilling the Sunday/Holy Day obligation.
 
I agree with the other posters about there being no specific rule about when you are too late for Mass. That said, I believe you should follow your priest’s request in this matter. If you find you are that late again, then say an Act of Spiritual Communion rather than going forward to receive. If you can, stay behind on those days for a few minutes of Adoration of Our Lord before returning to work.

God will bless your efforts to attend daily Mass and your obedience to your priest in this matter.
 
There is no point in the Mass when you have to be there in order to receive. Being there to at least hear the gospel is the customary point that most people speak of, but the Church does not define any moment–so this is just a personal custom, even if it might be shared by a lot of people.

One way to look at this is to remember the fact that a Catholic can receive Communion even outside of Mass at any appropriate time, so long as there’s nothing else prohibiting it (all the other requirements still apply). Sometimes, rarely, it happens that a regular daily Mass attendee is so late as to miss the entire Mass. The priest can still administer Communion outside of Mass–using the appropriate ritual. So if you can receive when missing the “whole” of Mass, you can likewise receive if you miss the “part” of Mass. Having said that though, you should follow the counsel of the priest who is celebrating that Mass.

And keep in mind that receiving Communion is a different issue than that of fulfilling the Sunday/Holy Day obligation.
I could not agree with you any more
keep in mind that receiving Communion is a different issue than that of fulfilling the Sunday/Holy Day obligation
 
I’ve run into this many times myself - unavoidably. To avoid being a distraction, I enter via a back door, and set in the back row. This puts me about 20pews behind everybody else, so to avoid lagging behind everybody else, or having to run up the aise during Communion, I usually move up during the sign of peace when there’s some commotion anyway.
 
I read the previous posts about being late for daily Mass. While I agree habitual tardiness is a real spiritual problem, I had a friend who was late for a weekday Mass, mind you because she had been volunteering at a soup kitchen and got caught in traffic. She came in just as the Gospel was over. She did go up to Communion and the priest REFUSED to give her Holy Communion because she came after the Liturgy of the Word. Is it a priest’s prerogative to do this?
 
I read the previous posts about being late for daily Mass. While I agree habitual tardiness is a real spiritual problem, I had a friend who was late for a weekday Mass, mind you because she had been volunteering at a soup kitchen and got caught in traffic. She came in just as the Gospel was over. She did go up to Communion and the priest REFUSED to give her Holy Communion because she came after the Liturgy of the Word. Is it a priest’s prerogative to do this?
Yes. It’s his decision.

If she were there for the entire Mass it would not be his decision, of course. Priest’s can’t just arbitrarily decide who can receive. If he says that coming after the Gospel is not being ‘properly disposed’ to receive he can do that. He’s not actually refusing her Communion, he’s saying that this isn’t an appropriate moment.

Since this person missed the entire first half of the Mass, he could still decide to allow her to receive, but he can likewise choose not to.
 
She did go up to Communion and the priest REFUSED to give her Holy Communion because she came after the Liturgy of the Word.
Since this person missed the entire first half of the Mass, he could still decide to allow her to receive, but he can likewise choose not to.
I would add that there’s nothing wrong (in theory) with receiving Communion for the first time in the day if you just happen to show up during the Communion rite. In other words, there was nothing canonically wrong with her presenting herself to receive Holy Communion even though she had missed half the Mass.

(Now, if she did that on a Sunday, she would not have fulfilled her obligation, but that’s another matter entirely.)
 
I read the previous posts about being late for daily Mass. While I agree habitual tardiness is a real spiritual problem, I had a friend who was late for a weekday Mass, mind you because she had been volunteering at a soup kitchen and got caught in traffic. She came in just as the Gospel was over. She did go up to Communion and the priest REFUSED to give her Holy Communion because she came after the Liturgy of the Word. Is it a priest’s prerogative to do this?
It can be his prerogative, but seems like a dangerous one for him to choose to exercise, especially if he has no way of knowing her “disposition” (did he interrogate her on why she was late before deciding to withhold communion?).

The benefit of the doubt should be given to the one approaching the sacrament, unless there is clear, well-founded reason not to.
 
It can be his prerogative, but seems like a dangerous one for him to choose to exercise, especially if he has no way of knowing her “disposition” (did he interrogate her on why she was late before deciding to withhold communion?).

The benefit of the doubt should be given to the one approaching the sacrament, unless there is clear, well-founded reason not to.
The fact that a person arrived after the Gospel is itself a “clear, well-founded reason not to” if the priest has already decided to make this a reason; even though the priest is likewise competent to decide to administer Communion, given the circumstances. It’s still the priest’s perogative as well as his responsibility. In such an instance, a person can approach the priest after Mass has ended, explain the reason for being late, and request that the priest administer Communion outside of Mass.

The Church does not define any given moment when a person who is late may/may not receive Communion at that Mass. There is however ample precedent for saying that being there to hear the Gospel is a legitimate standard to be applied. If a priest says “no one can receive Communion at Mass unless you are here for the Gospel” that’s his perogative.
 
The fact that a person arrived after the Gospel is itself a “clear, well-founded reason not to” if the priest has already decided to make this a reason; even though the priest is likewise competent to decide to administer Communion, given the circumstances. It’s still the priest’s perogative as well as his responsibility. In such an instance, a person can approach the priest after Mass has ended, explain the reason for being late, and request that the priest administer Communion outside of Mass.

The Church does not define any given moment when a person who is late may/may not receive Communion at that Mass. There is however ample precedent for saying that being there to hear the Gospel is a legitimate standard to be applied. If a priest says “no one can receive Communion at Mass unless you are here for the Gospel” that’s his perogative.
Is that supported by Canon Law? Where?
 
Yes. It’s his decision.

If she were there for the entire Mass it would not be his decision, of course. Priest’s can’t just arbitrarily decide who can receive. If he says that coming after the Gospel is not being ‘properly disposed’ to receive he can do that. He’s not actually refusing her Communion, he’s saying that this isn’t an appropriate moment.

Since this person missed the entire first half of the Mass, he could still decide to allow her to receive, but he can likewise choose not to.
Wow, I have never heard of such a thing?

Would the woman be within her rights then to request communion immediately following the Mass (it being perhaps a more appropriate moment)? Would the priest have any prerogative to refuse her that request (all other things being equal)?

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Personally, I believe that one should be there for the reconciliation (“I Confess”) in order to receive general absolution.

I guess the priest would be correct in telling you that you should at least be present for the readings. However, there are Eucharistic services that are not Masses. I’ve been to a few where there is a short prayer beforehand, recitation of the Act of Contrition, and “Lord, I am not worthy”; the Eucharist is then offered if there is no priest available. This is accomplished either by a deacon or extraordinary minister.

If it’s a Sunday Mass, you really should be there for the entire time. If it’s daily, maybe you can find a Eucharistic service in lieu of Mass, although participation at Mass is preferable.
 
I read the previous posts about being late for daily Mass. While I agree habitual tardiness is a real spiritual problem, I had a friend who was late for a weekday Mass, mind you because she had been volunteering at a soup kitchen and got caught in traffic. She came in just as the Gospel was over. She did go up to Communion and the priest REFUSED to give her Holy Communion because she came after the Liturgy of the Word. Is it a priest’s prerogative to do this?
That would be incorrect to do this, simply because a person may receive Holy Communion once a day OUTSIDE of Mass. Nothing says that you must attend Mass to receive Holy Communion, only to satisfy your Sunday obligation. In addition nothing requires you to receive Holy communion at every Mass you attend.
 
Thanks for the continued discussion on this subject. Regarding my friend who was refused communion after she entered late to Mass.
  1. My friend is a daily communicant.
  2. This was not her regular parish. This was a 12:00 noon Mass at another parish.
  3. No the priest never interrogated her as to why she was late.
  4. When it happened she said she was so shocked, she almost fainted on the spot. Her face reddened. Her eyes filled with tears.
  5. After Mass, she felt so emotional: mortified, hurt, angry, that she did not even speak to the priest.
In my mind, there are several issues here.
  1. Yes, it may be the priest’s prerogative (even his responsibility) to do this, but, he just said, “No, you came after the Liturgy of the Word,” There was no statement of, “Please see me later.” No statement of, “I’m so sorry to have to do this.” No explanation at the time. Personally, I think the priest was just having a bad day.
  2. My guess is that the priest was reacting to his own emotions rather than out of love. Yes, I realize priest are people too. Ordination is not a guarantee of getting to heaven, nor does it make priests non-sinners themselves. The priest is human.
  3. If he were going to do this, there should be a posted sign, “No communion given to those coming after the Gospel”.
  4. Even if she was not “properly disposed”, a venial sin at best, before communion we all say the prayer, “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the Word and I should be healed.” I count on this prayer making me “properly disposed” because there are so many times when I am distracted during Mass.
  5. Somehow, as a priest distributes the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, this is such an AWESOME MOMENT, where it is no longer US that lives but Jesus that lives within us, I just don’t think it is an appropriate time for the priest to be a liturgical gestapo.
 
Wow, I have never heard of such a thing?

Would the woman be within her rights then to request communion immediately following the Mass (it being perhaps a more appropriate moment)? Would the priest have any prerogative to refuse her that request (all other things being equal)?

:confused:
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She can request that he administer Communion outside of Mass, but the priest would also have to determine if the usual conditions are met: properly disposed, at a reasonable time, and not impeded by law. When you think about it, there are plenty of times when a person might receive Communion outside of Mass and this is perfectly legitimate. It’s accepted practice for a priest who is administering Communion to the sick to also take Communion for those who are caring for the sick and can’t attend Mass–just for example.

An example from my own experience. I happen to have a daily Mass attendee who is at home caring for a sick relative. She’s sometimes late for Mass, but most of the time she’s only slightly late. There have even been rare times when she arrives after the distribution of Communion has already ended. Since I know her situation, as well as know her genuine devotion and desire to receive Communion, including her desire/intent to be on-time, when that happens she waits until the Mass is over and then approaches to receive Communion. We say the Our Father, the Lamb of God (including “this is the Lamb of God…”) and then I administer Communion; because this is the rite that the Church provides for such circumstances.

On the other hand, if I knew that someone was seriously late because he didn’t care about arriving on-time or if I knew that he was intentionally late because he wanted to “skip the whole Mass thing and just receive Communion” (let’s say intentionally walking in during the Lamb of God and doing it consistently) I would almost certainly refuse to do that.

I want to be cautious here in that there are 2 sometimes conflicting values. On the one hand, the priest has an obligation to administer the Sacraments to one who is properly disposed, not impeded, and at a reasonable time. Refusing cannot be because of some arbitrary reason on the part of the priest. On the other hand, the priest likewise has an obligation as the steward of the Eucharist to not-administer Communion indiscriminately and not to encourage or facilitate lack of due-reverence in the Mass, and part of that is to arrive on-time.

This is the sort of time that the priest has to use his own prudential judgement. The Church does not outright define any given moment in the Mass as the “line of demarcation” for receiving Communion, however there is the widely-accepted “rule of thumb” that being there to hear the Gospel is a good standard to apply, and this is supported by the liturgical and teaching documents of the Church, and a long history of applying that standard.
 
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