Latin, Chant, Polyphonic Music Sources

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Our priest has just given our music director (a very gifted composer in his own right) a mandate to form a schola and bring in a Mass with the Ordinaries in Latin (just the Ordinaries, so don’t anyone get too excited. Personally, I think that’s enough). The MD has already done a Latin Mass setting that I personally liked, but he’s not pleased with. We’ve got to get it running by June 1, so we’re looking for resources chop-chop. I’ve already hooked him up with the Adoremus Hymnal and he’s getting a copy of that (which I’m hoping completely replaces the OCP dreck we have in the pews now) to run by Father. Any other suggestions of websites we could look at? I vaguely remember one, but all I remember was the dominanting color of the graphics (yellow), not the name. Any help would be appreciated by the music director at Our Lady of Las Vegas Catholic Church, LV, NV…and his tenor…me!😃
 
Have you checked out www.musicasacra.com? If their website doesn’t help, you could probably find someone to contact from that website. They should have links on their website for youtube videos of the last sacred music colloquium they organized. They are well worth watching. The colloquium this year is June 16 - June 22 at Loyola University in Chicago. Get to that if possibly can!
 
JKirk, I envy you. 😃 If I lived over there, you’ld have a volunteer real quick. We do the polyphony but the Mass is in English.

The Worship III hymnal which we use has the traditional chants (e.g. Ave Maria, Salve Regina, Adoro Te Devote, Jesu Dulcis Memoria, etc. in addition to the most common setting of the Mass that I remember from as a child).

For polyphony we sing Palestrina (e.g. Sicut Cervus) and a lot of the works of the Spanish composer Tomas Luis de Vittoria. We’ve actually learned all of his Missa O Quam Gloriosam est Regnam.

You can also scope out the tradtional Catholic hymnal from my childhood

neumannpress.com/stgreghymand.html
 
brotherhrolf said:
JKirk, I envy you. 😃 If I lived over there, you’ld have a volunteer real quick. We do the polyphony but the Mass is in English.

The Worship III hymnal which we use has the traditional chants (e.g. Ave Maria, Salve Regina, Adoro Te Devote, Jesu Dulcis Memoria, etc. in addition to the most common setting of the Mass that I remember from as a child).

For polyphony we sing Palestrina (e.g. Sicut Cervus) and a lot of the works of the Spanish composer Tomas Luis de Vittoria. We’ve actually learned all of his Missa O Quam Gloriosam est Regnam.

You can also scope out the tradtional Catholic hymnal from my childhood

neumannpress.com/stgreghymand.html
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Thank you, BrotherH. I’ve passed these along to our MD. I’m looking forward to it, mostly because the Masses we’re singing won’t have any OCP stuff!
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Thank you, BrotherH. I’ve passed these along to our MD. I’m looking forward to it, mostly because the Masses we’re singing won’t have any OCP stuff!
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Be careful what you say my friend. There are some on these forums who think that the OCP is the bee’s knees. 😃
 
I know and I don’t wish to be offensive, but OCP actually makes me miss the hymns of my Southern Baptist childhood. It is sad when old Protestant hymns like “There is a Fountain Filled With Blood” et al have more theological and devotional meat than what is offered at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
 
So you can understand what it means to me that our traditional Catholic hymns got wiped out in favor of OCP? BTW we use two different protestant hymnals with translations of the Latin into English. So, Palestrina’s Sicut Cervus becomes Like as the Hart. And we have a collection of English motets from the Renaissance which are quite nice.

Mozart and Bruckner are also nice for later motets as well as Faure and Durufle. We tend to do French over here. 😃 We sang the entire Faure Requiem when our beloved bishop of holy memory died. This is one of my favorite later motets in French

youtube.com/watch?v=uM9gH1o63OA&feature=related
 
Here are some additional websites our schola has found useful:

romaaeterna.jp/index1.html
publish.uwo.ca/~cantus/
chantcd.com/index.php/page/shop:lyrics/
198.62.75.1/www2/cantgreg/index_eng.html#ref_ordinaries

Also Neumann Press has reprinted the St. Gregory Hymnal - a wonderful resource. I recently purchased an old St. Pius X Hymnal - a real gem…🙂

We never sing any Protestant hymns. We’re Catholics. 😉

All of our Propers are sung out of the Liber Usualis. Many of the Graduals are difficult, so we use the “Proper of the Mass” by Rossini.
 
nannygirl said:
Here are some additional websites our schola has found useful:

romaaeterna.jp/index1.html
publish.uwo.ca/~cantus/
chantcd.com/index.php/page/shop:lyrics/
198.62.75.1/www2/cantgreg/index_eng.html#ref_ordinaries

Also Neumann Press has reprinted the St. Gregory Hymnal - a wonderful resource. I recently purchased an old St. Pius X Hymnal - a real gem…🙂

We never sing any Protestant hymns. We’re Catholics. 😉

All of our Propers are sung out of the Liber Usualis. Many of the Graduals are difficult, so we use the “Proper of the Mass” by Rossini.
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Thank you very much, these have all been passed along.

OCP isn’t even what could properly be called “Protestant,” in the classic sense of that word. It’s more a product of the current trends of psycological “self-affirmation” (I actually heard, not in a Catholic Church, thanks be to God, a song with the line “you don’t have to change, you’ve already been received!” Made my blood run cold, one can only hope invincible ignorance kicks in a some point, though I rather doubt it). The old Protestant hymns actually taught something specific, concrete, and theological, though very frequently they were in error (the words of “Amazing Grace” veer toward the problematic, IMHO).
 
nannygirl said:
Here are some additional websites our schola has found useful:

romaaeterna.jp/index1.html
publish.uwo.ca/~cantus/
chantcd.com/index.php/page/shop:lyrics/
198.62.75.1/www2/cantgreg/index_eng.html#ref_ordinaries

Also Neumann Press has reprinted the St. Gregory Hymnal - a wonderful resource. I recently purchased an old St. Pius X Hymnal - a real gem…🙂

We never sing any Protestant hymns. We’re Catholics. 😉

All of our Propers are sung out of the Liber Usualis. Many of the Graduals are difficult, so we use the “Proper of the Mass” by Rossini.
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I have to be fair. There are some lovely English motets written during the Renaissance which we use.

I’ve sung in my cathedral choir for the last 25 years. We did a lot of the English Renaissance music in those early years because our rector didn’t wan’t Latin. There is perfectly lovely and theologically sound Protestant music in English.

That having been said, my bishop has merely “acknowledged” the Motu Proprio and so you have a perfectly good cathedral choir singing their hearts out in Latin. Me, all I would like to see is one Solemn High Mass in Latin once a month. Is that asking too much? Our diocesan chancellor told us via the diocesan newspaper that the indult Mass (low Mass) was sufficient. But I remember what I grew up with and there are a lot of us who are not dead yet and are willing to give our time and talent. I am a Catholic! And I want to reclaim that which I grew up with so that my sons will understand.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Our priest has just given our music director (a very gifted composer in his own right) a mandate to form a schola and bring in a Mass with the Ordinaries in Latin (just the Ordinaries, so don’t anyone get too excited. Personally, I think that’s enough). The MD has already done a Latin Mass setting that I personally liked, but he’s not pleased with. We’ve got to get it running by June 1, so we’re looking for resources chop-chop. I’ve already hooked him up with the Adoremus Hymnal and he’s getting a copy of that (which I’m hoping completely replaces the OCP dreck we have in the pews now) to run by Father. Any other suggestions of websites we could look at? I vaguely remember one, but all I remember was the dominanting color of the graphics (yellow), not the name. Any help would be appreciated by the music director at Our Lady of Las Vegas Catholic Church, LV, NV…and his tenor…me!😃
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The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops singled out 3 particular chants that all American Catholics should know:
Kyrie XVI, Sanctus XVII, and Agnus Dei XVIII. May I suggest possibly starting with these?

Free mp3s of these 3 chants as well as many, many others are available here. There are a lot of chants to wade through on that page. I have linked to those 3 particular chants here.

I presently have no intention of ever visiting Vegas. But, I decided some time back that if I ever did I would be sure to visit your parish.

God bless,

James
 
JKirkLVNV said:
The old Protestant hymns actually taught something specific, concrete, and theological, though very frequently they were in error (the words of “Amazing Grace” veer toward the problematic, IMHO).
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Exactly! As a former Protestant, I can tell you that Protestant hymns contain Protestant theology. That is often the purpose for which they were written. Very subtle and very dangerous for Catholics! :eek:

BTW, the Liber Usualis contains everything one would need to get started.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Thank you! I’ve forwarded that to our music director.
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In particular, for Gregorian Ordinaries you want the Kyriale. musicasacra.com/pdf/kyriale.pdf

There are 18 Gregorian chant settings in all (19 if you count Jubilate Deo from 1974). Note that certain Mass settings are traditionally used for different feasts or seasons as follows (taken from the Gregorian Missal, which you’ll want to be getting for each schola member):

Mass I (Easter season)
Mass IV (Feasts of the Apostles)
Mass IX (Solemnities and Feasts of Our Lady)
Mass X (Feasts and Memorials of Our Lady)
Mass XI (Ordinary Sundays)
Mass XVII (Sundays in Advent and Lent)
Mass XVII (Weekdays in Advent and Lent, and Masses of the Dead)

The Liber Usualis lists the other Masses as being for Doubles and Semidoubles. I used to know what that meant but I’ve forgotten.
 
James0235 said:
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops singled out 3 particular chants that all American Catholics should know:
Kyrie XVI, Sanctus XVII, and Agnus Dei XVIII. May I suggest possibly starting with these?

Free mp3s of these 3 chants as well as many, many others are available here. There are a lot of chants to wade through on that page. I have linked to those 3 particular chants here.

I presently have no intention of ever visiting Vegas. But, I decided some time back that if I ever did I would be sure to visit your parish.

God bless,

James
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The chanting of my childhood. 😃 But you need to add the Gloria, Credo, and Pater Noster. My choir chants these (Kyrie, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei in Lent). Deo gratias ite Deo gratias my kids had some exposure to what it was like to be a Catholic way back when.
 
brotherhrolf said:
The chanting of my childhood. 😃 But you need to add the Gloria, Credo, and Pater Noster. My choir chants these (Kyrie, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei in Lent). Deo gratias ite Deo gratias my kids had some exposure to what it was like to be a Catholic way back when.
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I know you know this, but for the benefit of others, the Vatican wants us to know all of these chants (released as “Jubilate Deo” in 1974): ceciliaschola.org/notes/jubilatedeo.html
 
Thank you all for your contributions. These have all been forwarded to our MD and will be consulted and utilized. We are learning as we go (our priest, God bless him, is a canon lawyer, not a liturgist, and I believe that these will be of a help to him as well). If anyone else can make suggestions, they would be welcome.

May the Lord Jesus hold you all close within His Most Sacred Heart.
 
Go to www.cpdl.org

You will find all kinds of polyphony and other “good” music in both latin and english and it is all in the public domain and can be freely printed and used by your choir for no fee. There are plenty of masses on there.

Half of what our choir sings comes from CPDL - For instance, In Monte Oliveti for palm sunday, Ave Verum Corpus for the Solemnity of the Body and blood of Christ.
 
VociMike said:
I know you know this, but for the benefit of others, the Vatican wants us to know all of these chants (released as “Jubilate Deo” in 1974): ceciliaschola.org/notes/jubilatedeo.html
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Thank you Mike I had forgotten the sequences - we chant those too. How could I have forgotten the sequences? Pentecost is coming up soon…Veni Creator and also Veni Sancte Spiritus. We sing the Taize version of Veni Sancte with its’ verses in Spanish, German, Italian, French, etc. on Pentecost Sunday. Wouldn’t be appropirate for a TLM but I like it. Solid Catholic music and not sacro-pop.

youtube.com/watch?v=STA0NN0mBi0 Taize writes some really nice music which doesn’t sound like the sacro-pop from GIA and OCP. Kermit and Miss Piggy are not at Taize!
 
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