Latin Church founded by Cardinals?

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Doesn’t it bother you that your church was founded by Cardinal’s Humbert and Frederic in a fit of rage? 😃
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Shlomo lkhoulkhoun,

This was taken from a thread directed towards Protestants. Regardless, of whether it was meant to be a joke (a tasteless one at that), I think it deserves addressing in a more charitable way, of course. 🙂

Was the Latin Church founded by Cardinals who were upset at the Patriarch of Constantinople and done in spite? Most Catholics and Orthodox erroneously attribute the unfortunate break between East and West to be at AD 1054. Of course this doesn’t match with history. Many ecclesiastics, East and West, agree that it took place after the Council of Florence (1439).

To me it seems silly to claim that the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Churches began after that date, or any date for that matter. I believe that they both are part of the true Church and neither was formed at a certain date after the sad schism. We should be striving harder for unity and mutual understanding. I understand a lot of this has to do with linguistic, socio-political, and cultural issues, but we need to return to that same witness we had for nearly 1500 years. Both East and West have so much to offer each other and the world.

What say you all?

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
Harpazo said:
Shlomo lkhoulkhoun,

This was taken from a thread directed towards Protestants. Regardless, of whether it was meant to be a joke (a tasteless one at that), I think it deserves addressing in a more charitable way, of course.
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Really, it was a rhetorical statement. Not to be taken seriously but to stimulate some thought.

The point was all of these cases are a matter of perspective, no Christian is going to think of their church as a man made religion, they believe that they follow Christ. The targets (Protestants) who don’t see it your way are simply going to be insulted and nothing is accomplished by it. Arguments like that don’t win souls, they just insult the people you are trying to dialog with.

Did you feel it?

The very title of that other thread Protestants: Doesn’t it bother you that your religion is of man-made origin? ] was a bit of tasteless arrogant baiting. A game anybody can play but one we see here a lot.

So I turned the question on it’s head for fun. You chose to make a Federal case out of it, so here we are.

The irony is that from an Orthodox perspective Cardinal Humbert can be thought of as someone right up there with Martin Luther and king Henry VIII as another man who started a religion. I would not like to think so, but if we are going to use the qualifying criteria already applied right here by Catholics he fits the bill.

Like it or not, at that moment he was the most powerful man in the Latin Catholic church, he split the Body of Christ in half and there was no one willing or able to stop him, His legacy is all over Europe in protestant and catholic fragmented parts. He helped make the future papacy even stronger by conveniently sidelining the moderating influence of the ancient Pentarchy.

He affected the church for the next 950 years, helping the west to spin off on it’s own tangent.

Now we Orthodox don’t like to bring this up too much because we do see some marks of the church retained under the Popes and we have great hope for it all. We generally do like to think of our churches as having common roots in the Pentecost event (something many Catholics here have many times publicly denied to us), but we realize that if only one of us can be that church (as many Latin Catholics vehemently insist), it must be our church and not your church.

We hope that the Papal church will reunite with Holy Orthodoxy. We hope that the Papal church will correct it’s errors and we hope that the Papal church will gather all of it’s Protestant children together again, and once again teach Orthodox theology as one.

Michael
 
Hesychios said:
We hope that the Papal church will reunite with Holy Orthodoxy. We hope that the Papal church will correct it’s errors and we hope that the Papal church will gather all of it’s Protestant children together again, and once again teach Orthodox theology as one.
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Amen Michael. I pray for these things daily. :gopray2:
 
A point of clarification.

Are you referring to the baseball Cardinals or the football Cardinals?

And if it’s the football Cardinals, before or after they moved to Arizona?

Or perhaps you’re talking about when the football Cardinals were in Chicago?

Never knew of a Humbert who played for the Cardinals.

There’s a Philip Humber, but he was a pitcher for the Mets.

And there was a Richard Humbert, but he played for the Eagles.
 
In my mind the greatest Cardinal ever -

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Bob Gibson.

In 1968 he had an ERA of 1.12!

For you that don’t know that means in you could expect no more than 1.12 player to go from 1st to home against Gibson during a game.

In fact only two players scored against Gibson in 92 games.

In his 17 year career Gibson has an average ERA of 2.91.
Hesychios

I think the photo is of old Comiskey Field, home of the notorious “Disco Sucks” riot.

Your dad must have been a glutton for punishment.

I mean, except for 1947, the Chicago Cardinals really stank up the field.

From 1936 - 1947, they had a 10 year losing streak, and from 1950 to 1959, the Cardinals won only 33 games.

What a contrast to the Bears, who were dominating the NFL during the period.
 
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