Latin Mass at my parish

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smead2942 said:
That doesn’t make it OK.
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No, but it does give any interested priest an ‘in’

They can inform the bishop that their Latin is sufficient under the grounds that the bishop approved their ordination, one requirement of which is Canon 249.

So if their Latin is proficient enough to say the Ordinary Form, it is sufficient for the Extraordinary Form.

( I know a priest in another diocese who presented such to the bishop, and the bishop then provided the necessary permission 🙂 - The corollary unsaid was that if the Latin instruction was not sufficient, the bishop is either accusing himself of violating Canon law, or accusing his predecessor. )

Fortunately, in our Archdiocese, it is not an issue. Latin is required, the Ordinary Form of the Mass is Latin is regularly celebrated, and the seminary even invited in the Canons of St. John Cantius to offer instruction in the Extraordinary Form to any interested seminarians.
 
rfournier103 said:
One of our parochial vicars is qualified to celebrate the Tridentine Mass. Told me so himself.
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Your parochial vicar might be able to celebrate “private” Masses on days he doesn’t have a parish Mass. Private just means that it isn’t on the schedule–he is celebrating his own Mass but other people can attend if they know about it. An email list works great for this. A Mass a week (or more often if the will is there) for several months might attract a following. That might enable you to gauge the real interest. And I assume he would need permission to use the church.

You can download and print copies of the order of the Mass if people don’t have their own missals. There are resources out there to help people who might be interested but not all the familiar with the Extraordinary Form.
 
Another_Mary said:
Your parochial vicar might be able to celebrate “private” Masses on days he doesn’t have a parish Mass. Private just means that it isn’t on the schedule–he is celebrating his own Mass but other people can attend if they know about it. An email list works great for this. A Mass a week (or more often if the will is there) for several months might attract a following. That might enable you to gauge the real interest. And I assume he would need permission to use the church.

You can download and print copies of the order of the Mass if people don’t have their own missals. There are resources out there to help people who might be interested but not all the familiar with the Extraordinary Form.
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I’m asking because I don’t know the answer. Whether its the OF or EF is the Bishop’s permission required for priests to celebrate private Masses?
 
rfournier103 said:
I am about to request permission from my pastor to ask around the parish to guage interest in having a Latin Mass once a month.

What I am hoping for is the eventual formation of a “Latin Mass Society” and a weekly Latin Mass on Sunday. But first things first…

Have any of you undertaken something like this at your parish (getting a weekly Latin Mass after there were none at all)? Did you establish an “interest group” (‘club’ isn’t the right word) or something similar? How did you go about it?

Thank you for your replies.
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Here is a good guide to read and understand before you take any action:
…if you can’t imagine why you don’t have access to the Traditional Latin Mass in every gosh darn parish in the universe, as of one day after the Pope said you could, or you want to know what has to happen to have one anywhere at all, you should read this.
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Then you should read it again. Slowly.
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manwithblackhat.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-latin-mass-why-you-cant-have-it.html
 
Most people like the Novus Ordo mass because it is what they personally like, not to ask what does God the Father (who is a Spirit) like. How do humans know what a spirit likes? Well, the spirit has to tell us. Christ never told us the form of mass His Father likes, but He sent us the Holy Spirit who guided the Catholic Church through the centuries. And most saints who are already in heaven had gone through the traditional latin mass. In asking what we like, democracy which Christ never mentioned has crept into the Church monarchy.

According to Fr. Chad Ripperger, FSSP, the traditional latin mass is more meritorious and efficacious than the novus ordo. After we leave this earth to start eternity, all virtues and vices freeze. All earthly testing stop and we eventually go to heaven or hell for eternity. Besides, heaven has different levels depending on our merits on earth. So if we are to gain as much sanctifying grace as possible while we are still on earth, TLM seems to be the only choice. This is out last chance of getting more sanctifying grace while on earth. For one thing, we have to go to weekly mass anyway. Don’t get me wrong … if I miss the TLM on Sundays, I go to a novus ordo mass to fulfill my Sunday obligation, and both are of course valid. But this is our last chance at increased sanctifying grace on a weekly routine to achieve a higher place in heaven.

TLM has more solemnity than a novus ordo. God who created a vast cosmos (which is still expanding) and humans deserve a solemn TLM worship.
 
rfournier103 said:
Thank you all for your replies!

I will be asking permission from the pastor of my parish because I would never go around asking about interest in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite behind his back. One of his Parochial Vicars IS qualified to celebrate the Extraordinary Form, so there is no excuse to not have it.

Unless I grossly misread Pope Benedict’s Motu Proprio of 2007, if a pastor flat out refuses to allow for the Tridentine Mass, the matter can be brought to the bishop (see section 7).

I am confident that if I could get at least a dozen or so people interested, I think the idea of a regular Tridentine Mass at our parish could become a reality. I am just wondering what the best way to ‘recruit’ people would be (once I ‘get permission’, of course).

w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/motu_proprio/documents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20070707_summorum-pontificum.html

Simply asking fellow parishioners to sign a petition asking for the TLM does not require permission. As long as you don’t ask during Mass. It would be better at some Church gathering. Unless you have a gutsy pastor, no pastor will go against the wishes of the Bishop! Good luck!

PS: Thanks for the link to www.unavoce.org!
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pianistclare said:
I hope you didn’t read my post as a refusal on our pastor’s part.
There was only interest from 3 people, and those were so elderly, likely they would not have come regularly. We only have one priest. The Archbishop has not suppressed the TLM. There just is not much interest here. If people seek it, they go to that certain parish.
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Even if they were not old I doubt 3 persons qualifies as a “stable group”.
 
thistle said:
Even if they were not old I doubt 3 persons qualifies as a “stable group”.
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That would depend, I would think. A Protestant minister I happen to know has a congregation of 12 most Sundays. I asked how he manages to pay the bills. As it turns out, 3 in the congregation are doctors with very good incomes.

Point is numbers can be deceiving.
 
ProVobis said:
That would depend, I would think. A Protestant minister I happen to know has a congregation of 12 most Sundays. I asked how he manages to pay the bills. As it turns out, 3 in the congregation are doctors with very good incomes.

Point is numbers can be deceiving.
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3 people definitely would not count (as a stable group I mean) in my parish. We have 14,000 parishioners and 80% Mass attendance. We have 10 Masses every Sunday to accommodate everyone.
 
thistle said:
3 people definitely would not count (as a stable group I mean) in my parish. We have 14,000 parishioners and 80% Mass attendance. We have 10 Masses every Sunday to accommodate everyone.
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So are there any Latin Masses in the Philippines?
 
ProVobis said:
So are there any Latin Masses in the Philippines?
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In Manila I think there are about 8 Churches that have a TLM and that is for a population of 14 million. I don’t know about the rest of the country but I would suspect there are very few.
 
(name removed by moderator), if we had ONLY twenty miles per round trip , I’d think I had died and gone to heaven. Its 80 miles each way for me and the wife. 120 if we go to the main parish in Seattle. Portland Oregon is 90 miles each way. And we go to one of them every Sunday and Holy Day. Expensive? Yep, but we do it. Sometimes there is not a lot left for collection but we get to Mass. 🙂
 
corsair said:
Sometimes there is not a lot left for collection but we get to Mass. 🙂
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You get to a Mass. I’m sure there are plenty of OF Masses nearby that are valid. You made an aesthetic choice to attend the EF only, which is of course your prerogative. But I just wanted to be clear that you don’t have to drive 80 miles to “get to Mass” in most parts of North America.

Jesus is made literally present for all at a parish near you!

I know shouldn’t be so prickly, because I do the same as you… though a lesser distance. I drive 25 miles each way to attend an Ordinary Form Mass at an abbey, that is in Gregorian chant with all the bells and smells. It also happens to be where I am attached as oblate. I freely admit though that nobody must drive that far for a valid Eucharist. But I do because I admit that I prefer it aesthetically. I’m not alone because the abbey church is full every Sunday, and has good attendance on weekdays, in spite of being “in the middle of nowhere”. I wouldn’t do it if it was 80 miles away… couldn’t afford it… in which case I’d maybe go once every month or couple of months, or make longer retreats there than I currently do.
 
I have never said that the new Mass is invalid, its my choice to attend the EF exclusively.

Its been almost 3 years now since I’ve attended an OF Mass. I respect my friends that attend the OF. But don’t tell me that I made an “aesthetic choice”. The choice was offered to me by our previous Pope, Benedict XVI. I, as many of us have, decided to select that option.
 
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