Latin Mass Question

[aspergesme]

At one time the chausible was made of precisous metal and was extremely heavy.

For further explanation of vestments see here:

kensmen.com/catholic/vestments.html

As to the incense. If they were done at this point the rubrics were not being followed correctly. The Mass you were attending was either a Missa Cantata or a Solemn (High) Mass. The Incensing is done immediately before the Lavábo (washing of hands) in this order:

The Offerings

The Altar

The Priest

Those in the Sanctuary

The Schola (quoir)

The Faithful

Ecce Lignum Crucis In Quo Salvs Mundi Pependit
Behold the wood of the Cross, on which hung the Savior of the World.

 

[Melanie01]

mgy100:

If the priest was facing away, talking amongst himself and God, and the orchestra/choir sang the intriot… ok, sang any music while the priest was still up at the altar saying mass, it was a high mass, or a missa cantanta. I am sure someone will be along shortly to correct me.

The priest is the leader if you like in the offering of the Holy Mass. The congregation are also participating in the offering of the Mass in the physical presence of being there, and the offering up of prayer along with the priest.

Being a member of a chapel that only offers Mass in the Tridentine form, I find it an intensely spiritual offering which requires 110% concerntration, culminating in the glory of receiving Communion with the Lord.

 

[mercygate]

usqueadmortem:

Greetings!!!

Called a chasuble. Nope it is not exculsive to Penticost. Done at every Mass. I don’t know the spiritual significance of it, but it originated in the middle ages when the chasible and other garments were very heavy, and the priest needed help lifting his arms for the elevations.

Pax Christi!
Usque.

Right. But no spiritual significance. It’s a courtesy thing. The gesture is retained even when those skimpy “fiddleback” chasubles are used (and for the TLM they are considered de rigueur). No. They don’t send incense up the chasuble.

 

[mercygate]

brotherhrolf:

The cope (floor length cape) used at Benediction is another example. Altar boys would hold the cope out and back so that the priest could swing the censer. Come to think of it, I seem to remember holding the chasuble too when the priest incensed the altar at a Solemn High Mass.

Sure. You walked along with him holding the cope open so the thurible wouldn’t set it on fire . . . Remember?

 

[rwoehmke]

QUICUMQUE VULT:

Then I did A little research. In the Middle Ages It was common for the Celebrant to hold up the sacred species for A long time. Hence the practice of lifting the Chasuble to give him some relief. It was also common during this period for the Servers to Hold elevation torches. You will see this at A solemn High Mass.

Thomas Cranmer the “reforming” Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury. Wrote about this practice in one of his many diatribes against the Ancient Mass. He said it was common for the people to “call out” during the elevation “Hold” “Hold” when the priest started to lower the Host or the Precious blood.

In that period of time to look on the elevated host was almost the only participation the laity had at Mass. All the action and participation was reserved to the ordained clergy and the choir. In some churches a screen was erected with a window through which the congregation at the elevation could gaze upon the host. The people were basically walled off from the alter and the area where the choir were placed. People would sometimes go from church to church staying in each only long enough to gaze upon the elevated host. People rarely received Holy Communion as they felt unworthy to do so. I believe that was why the rule that one must receive once a year during the Easter time came into being. Hardly a problem today when the whole congregation, with few exceptions, surges forward at communion time. The History of how the people participated in the Mass is interesting in that the early Churches met in homes, then after Constantine in larger public buildings . As the buildings became larger and more specialized the laity had less and less of a role to play. Then as time progressed this turned around and there was increasing participation by the laity. Today even in the largest of churches the laity has an opportunity to totally participate; no longer merely an audience.

 

[Trelow]

rwoehmke:

Today even in the largest of churches the laity has an opportunity to totally participate; no longer merely an audience.

They never were an audience. The job of the laity is to pray the mass, not to run about handing out communion, dancing, holding hands, and signaling touchdowns.

 

[Melanie01]

Trelow:

They never were an audience. The job of the laity is to pray the mass, not to run about handing out communion, dancing, holding hands, and signaling touchdowns.

Amen to that

…Et introibo ad altare Dei: ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.

…then I will go in to the altar of God, the God of my gladness and joy.

 

[aspergesme]

Melanie01,

Just for reference, you used the following.

Et introibo ad altare Dei: ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.

…then I will go in to the altar of God, the God of my gladness and joy.

If you were intending to use the Intoíbo from the TLM this would be it and the translation:

***Introíbo ad altáre Dei: Ad Deum qui lætíficat juventútem meam.

I will go in unto the altar of God. To God who giveth joy to my youth.***

Pax

 

[Melanie01]

aspergesme:

Melanie01,

Just for reference, you used the following.

If you were intending to use the Intoíbo from the TLM this would be it and the translation:

Introíbo ad altáre Dei: Ad Deum qui lætíficat juventútem meam.

I will go in unto the altar of God. To God who giveth joy to my youth.

Pax

I note that you are using The St Andrew Daily Missal where I was quoting the St Joseph Daily Missal which was close to hand, there fore they are both right, I usually take the St Andrew Missal to church with me as a personal preference.